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My fiancée has applied for a Uk visit visa for 2 weeks two times now and both times refused ,I’ll explain a little about us ,  we have been together  2 years, she is not  from the bar scene .I’ve spent a lot of time going and coming from Thailand to see her ,we got engaged in August 2019 and after travelled to turkey and Cyprus together and both have stamps in our passports showing this . My fiancée lives and works in bkk at her family shop . She lives there with her mum dad and little brother . My fiancée the applicant works 7am- 5pm and has done since 2013 . She is paid Weekly and also pays rent towards  the shop/house . She puts a little bit in her bank  every week or so and has 6months bank statements showing this , after paying her insurance , phone and other things  there is not much left but is deposited in her account as we knew we had to do this  for 6 months . But as she has a sponsor we thought this shouldn’t really be a reason for them to refuse it’s only really showing that she does have a job and puts a little bit in the bank when possible . 

We spent months getting all the documents Together  I was reading online speaking with people , literally studied the whole process . We  then finally done  the online application through .gov website . We really did make sure we had everything covered  she  included cover letter , sponsor letter , invitation letter , applicants employer letter , 6 months bank statements from her and the sponsor   including a letter from the bank stamped, passports with previous travel history together , what’s app script for over a year , sponsors house deeds , land mark registry for house , rent agreement for her family house/shop in bkk dating back to 2013.

the first application was refused due to them trying to call her dad/employer , he works night shifts and was sleeps through the day . I understand this is a reason for them to refuse and was gutted because if they spoke to him we would have probably got the visa . We should have been more prepared for the call. 

 

So we applied again literally a few days later using exactly the same documents just amending dates keeping within the minimum 3months  from the prosed  visit and just changing a few things around but nothing major it was basically  the same as the First application. We thought as the first refusal was due to them not speaking to her dad we need to let them no why and make sure we cover this in the new application . we including the refusal  letter and wrote a refusal letter explaining why her dad/employer missed the calls and it was a genuine reason , and we also explained in the new edited employer letter that he was sleeping and if they call again he will make sure a family member has his phone to wake him up .so we applied and paid xtra £260 for a 5 day decision as we are going away together soon and needed the passport.

She  received a refusal  email 4 days later . They did not try to contact her dad/ employer this time , there grounds for refusel was now her income was not enough reason to return and her relationship with the sponsor is not believed genuine , and that the sponsor has not show financial support or prof of his business  . The sponsor is my dad we included 6 moths bank statements And even got a stamped headed letter from the back stating the money is cleared funds in the account , also included in the application was his company certificate and company’s house letter showing he was director of the company .  although We did not include his business accounts statements as we thought he had enough on his personal account to show he can cover costs  . We showed flights that we flew together to Cyprus to meet my dad and family in which the applicant spent 2 weeks with them . They are saying she stated that she put in the application she will only spend £60 on her proper visit that this is not enough . We have already put in the application and documents that the sponsor is paying for absolutely everything. What makes me annoyed is why have they mentioned all this in the second refusal when it’s literally the same as the first . We have spent a lot of money and time and everything we have put in the application is genuine and have proved it . I see and hear so many people getting visas for bar  girls etc and when it is a legitimate application it’s rejected . Any way the question now is what is the best thing to do ? I know now we will have to wait atleast 6-12 months before we apply again . We are planning to get married soon  2020-2021  Is it best to wait till then ? We was planning on starting a business in Thailand or buying some land So I’m guessing I’f we had all the legal documents showing this for the next application this will cover the reason for refusal on that part ? 
 

I have attached a copy of both refusal letters let me know your thoughts and any advise on what to do now . Thanks 

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I think there's some confusion as to who's the sponsor here. Did you state on the application that your dad was the sponsor?

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The biggest mistake was supplying bank statements at all imho. My girlfriend simply said that she got paid in cash, sent some home and paid her rent and after that there was enough for her to live on. (I did the whole application for her).

The genie is out of the bottle now and it looks really difficult to recover from this.

 

If you marry and go for settlement it is a simpler process imho and she won't need any reason to return to Thailand. After a couple of visit visas we simply went for a settlement visa (fiancée) married in the UK and she's never had to go back to Thailand. More expensive but that's what we did. Cheaper getting married in Thailand and it saves one of the visas.

 

There is no requirement to supply six months of statements for either you as a sponsor or for her. You simply need to show that you have sufficient funds to pay for the trip. 

 

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12 hours ago, Elad said:

I think there's some confusion as to who's the sponsor here. Did you state on the application that your dad was the sponsor?

Yes it was very clear on the application and documents that my dad is the sponsor . 

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It all looks pretty draconian. I could understand it if the lady was visiting the UK on her own as a tourist, but with an engagement and a sponsor with whom she will be staying you would think this would be straightforward. 

 

Did they know that she is engaged to be married to a UK citizen, the son of the sponsor?

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3 hours ago, Tom1982 said:

Yes it was very clear on the application and documents that my dad is the sponsor . 

On the refusal notice is says that you provided a copy of the sponsor's passport. was that yours or your fathers passport? 

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2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

It all looks pretty draconian. I could understand it if the lady was visiting the UK on her own as a tourist, but with an engagement and a sponsor with whom she will be staying you would think this would be straightforward. 

 

Did they know that she is engaged to be married to a UK citizen, the son of the sponsor?

Yes 100% it was clear in the application and documents . 

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2 hours ago, Elad said:

On the refusal notice is says that you provided a copy of the sponsor's passport. was that yours or your fathers passport? 

We supplied my dads and mine 

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For the OP

sorry if i come with a stupid question but why do you want

you and your fiancee spend a lot of money (And obviously you and her do not have too much)

for her to come 2 weeks in England in the winter? Are you sure she is going to love the rain and the cold?

Why you don't come to see her in Thailand.it should be more convenient.

You could also as you have did already go as tourists in another country nearby

or with a more relax visa policy.

Just asking of course.

The life is already often very complicated, why try to do it less easy?

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On 12/1/2019 at 2:50 AM, Tom1982 said:

My fiancée lives and works in bkk at her family shop . She lives there with her mum dad and little brother . My fiancée the applicant works 7am- 5pm and has done since 2013 . She is paid Weekly and also pays rent towards  the shop/house .

I am sorry but something is wrong here

she works 10 hours\day at the family shop since 6 years for 7200 bahts\month?

(Based on the statement in the denial letter. it's her appointment as shop assistant)

And she pays also the rent for the shop\house from this 7200 bahts?

Since when a shop assistant pay the rent for the shop on her own salary?

Well, time to find a real job and stop this non sense slavery.

Also have you think to your future?

I mean you can not stay you in England and her in Bankgok

it's not a viable relationship on the long term.

Then what is the project? Can you move and stay in Thailand with her?

Or she would want to move and stay in UK with you?

The question has probably came in mind of the one in charge to deliver the visa

and it's probably one of the reason her visa has been refused, they think she wants to stay in UK. 

And you what do you want exactly? You need to answer to this question soon or later..

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1 hour ago, rasg said:

What did you use as evidence that you are a couple? Passport stamps to Cyprus and Turkey along with flight and hotel bookings?

 

It seems that using your dad as another sponsor may have confused the issue. Do you enough cash in the bank to pay for your girlfriend's trip? If you do I would suggest that you simply use your dad to provide a confirmation letter for her accommodation only. I remember for my girlfriend's trip I put down that she had no cash but in my sponsor letter explained that I would provide her with sufficient cash and a ticket to get to the UK etc.

 

I would really like to see the sponsor letter you supplied to see how clear it was.

Advice was saught and offerred in a previous thread, after removing some, what I would call, waffle, I thought the suggested eventual covering letters were pretty clear.

 

Tom described their relationship and his visit history, the details of the planned trip, including the stop off in Cyprus. 

 

Tom drafted a letter outlining the trip and and one from dad which I thought was pretty clear, contents of the letter included "I confirm that I have invited xxx to visit our family home from 10 January 2020 until her return home to Thailand on 24 January", "I have offered to cover her travel and incidental expenses for her proposed trip and have submitted proof of my ability to do so", dad also mentioned how he had previous met her in Cyprus.

 

Providing the covering letters were in possessesion of the decision maker, and read, it was pretty clear, at least to me, that the lass was going to stay with Toms parents, Tom had met her previously in Cyprus and Thailand, and dad was also going to cover both her travel and incidental expenses.

 

There was also a letter available from her father/employer, who confirmed that she worked at his shop and had been given leave for her proposed trip, though there might have been some dscrepancy with her father apparently working nights and what might have been the shops opening hours.

 

I was of the opinion that it wasn't a bad application, I thought she'd covered their relationship history, her employment being a reason to return, with the affordability being covered by Toms dad offering to cover the travel and incidental expenses. It seemed to me that the ECO expecting to evidence of her relationship with her future father in law, who was proving accomodation and financial support, was pretty bizarre.

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1125931-help-with-cover-letter-standard-visit-visa-uk/#comments

 

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I'm thinking of applying in a year's time but when I see applications like this getting denied I don't know if it's worth the hassle. He seems to have everything covered, I can't provide that much evidence, though I am married. Best of luck if you try again.

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