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49 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

I only said he was guilty, not that he would be removed from office.

Yes most US citizens should have learned about government in high school like I did, but that was 45 years ago.  Believe many US citizens from younger generations really don't know or care these days. Was not trying to question your knowledge of US government.   

Basic facts now in evidence:  (What I read)

"President Donald Trump illegally withheld military aid to Ukraine.

No one from the Trump administration has been able to point to any legal authority that allowed Trump to withhold the funding for the length of time and in the manner that he did. Even Trump’s defenders in the House, who have speciously claimed that the president had reasons for holding the aid other than pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rivals, have not provided justifications that are legal."   https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/trumps-hold-on-ukrainian-military-aid-was-illegal/

When one shows facts or substantial arguments, Trumpers usually lose any interest in the subject matter.

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1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

No one from the Trump administration has been able to point to any legal authority that allowed Trump to withhold the funding for the length of time and in the manner that he did.

 

Article II Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. 

 

What does that mean to you Executive Power? It means the power the execute the laws of the United States of America. That would include the President asking about corruption prior to the releasing of any foreign aid. The defense department has to certify lack of corruption before release, and they did. But does the President have the power to override such a release? "EXECUTIVE POWER SHALL BE VESTED..." Now, we get into some serious arguments. Was Trump acting out of SELF or was he acting in the Interests of the United States?  Of course before they get to that argument they need to prove that he held up the aid at all for that reason. Even that may be a stretch

 

Let's you and I not argue about what the President was thinking. Let's not pretend we know more then the Senate or the Supreme court of the United States. If this makes it to a Senate trial all the facts related to the Bidens and Burisma, and any Democrat DNC operatives in Ukraine in 2016 is all going to be part of the evidence that will be considered. None of which was looked at in the Kangaroo House.

 

Now, yes you can take the other side and say it was all fair, never the less it will all come out in the Senate. A High crime or misdemeanor? The removal of a President that the same opposition has been trying to remove in front of the American people since he arrived. Not happening.

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4 minutes ago, candide said:

When one shows facts or substantial arguments, Trumpers usually lose any interest in the subject matter.

The facts are as follows: (1) The Democrat impeachment process may not make it to the Senate. Disagree? Fine , and (2)  if it does they do not have the votes in the Senate to convict and remove from office. AND (3) the Democrat field of candidates seems to be falling to pieces.  If you choose to contest these 3 points feel free. Can you do that? No one cares here about either of our claims as to the President being guilty of some crime. We are not the ones who decide. 

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1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

See how they vote should it get that far. And one more time: The President will NOT be removed from Office I am 100 percent sure. I am not even going to bother with arguing with you as it has no bearing on the way this is going to play out. You do not understand the process. According to the article here read it again. Are they supporting impeachment? Or refusing to outright denounce the impeachment effort in the house?  Read carefully there is a difference: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/only-3-senate-republicans-aren-t-defending-trump-impeachment-inquiry-n1078906 and even they are political in their choices here as they are more centrist in their states.

 

You are talking to a retired US Navy Chief are you seriously saying that I need to "remember that in the USA we have 3 branches of Government"? This is a basic fact for a child. Show some respect for those you are speaking to on this argument man. Do you know what that is like for me? You some non-American saying to me that I need to remember what I learned in when I was 6 years old? You don't even have any skin in the game here yet you want to argue that you know something about the impeachment process of the United States? And make statements like "Remember we have 3 branches of Government" Come on man. 

 

And you have decided he is guilty? Of what? what you read? Therefore you believe it? There are matters of timing related to the President and his attorney's not participating in this sham. Do some reading. Try going to fox news, or other conservative outlets. Don't believe them if you choose, but at least you will learn the other side of the issue. What Country are you from? It's like me saying to you Knowing you are from Sweden and saying "Remember your Capital city is Stockholm. A trial will be held in the Senate of the United States as you know. Not one vote will be against the President if it gets that far. Romney would be signing the end of his career in one stroke. 

 

Wherever you are from, answer this question and be honest? What was Hunter Biden's job over there at Burisma? What did he do for his $85,000 a month? Let's stop playing games here. You have been reading news for 3 years on Trump being impeached, or being a Russian agent etc. What happened to all that? 

The majority of Americans (and, I suspect, the majority of posters on this forum) don't know basic facts about the US government:

 

" The poll showed only 36% of Americans could name all three branches of the government and 35% couldn't name any of them. It also found over 60% of Americans don't know which political party controls the House of Representatives and the US Senate.  "  https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-many-americans-dont-know-basic-facts-about-government-2014-9

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6 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

The facts are as follows: (1) The Democrat impeachment process may not make it to the Senate. Disagree? Fine , and (2)  if it does they do not have the votes in the Senate to convict and remove from office. AND (3) the Democrat field of candidates seems to be falling to pieces.  If you choose to contest these 3 points feel free. Can you do that? No one cares here about either of our claims as to the President being guilty of some crime. We are not the ones who decide. 

Well, they are not really facts, they are predictions. I agree that prediction number 2 is very likely. In particular as Trump is preventing key witnesses from testifying, it is unlikely that a shock may disturb the ex-ante defined partisan position of GOP senators.

 

Anyway, the article linked by Skallywag presents interesting legal arguments that could be discussed or criticized, and will be completely ignored. That was my point.

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1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

 

Article II Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. 

 

What does that mean to you Executive Power? It means the power the execute the laws of the United States of America. That would include the President asking about corruption prior to the releasing of any foreign aid. The defense department has to certify lack of corruption before release, and they did. But does the President have the power to override such a release? "EXECUTIVE POWER SHALL BE VESTED..." Now, we get into some serious arguments. Was Trump acting out of SELF or was he acting in the Interests of the United States?  Of course before they get to that argument they need to prove that he held up the aid at all for that reason. Even that may be a stretch

 

Let's you and I not argue about what the President was thinking. Let's not pretend we know more then the Senate or the Supreme court of the United States. If this makes it to a Senate trial all the facts related to the Bidens and Burisma, and any Democrat DNC operatives in Ukraine in 2016 is all going to be part of the evidence that will be considered. None of which was looked at in the Kangaroo House.

 

Now, yes you can take the other side and say it was all fair, never the less it will all come out in the Senate. A High crime or misdemeanor? The removal of a President that the same opposition has been trying to remove in front of the American people since he arrived. Not happening.

Are you sure all the facts will be considered?  Even those that must come from testimony from people claiming executive privilege?

 

Regarding executive power and Trump withholding evidence from the House investigation, do you think executive power extends to preventing Congress from performing oversight of the executive?

 

Regarding using executive power to withhold funds until corruption suspicions are resolved; don't you think it suspicious that the only two suspected areas of corruption of interest to Trump are ones that had nothing to do with the military aid, but would discredit the conclusions of multiple intelligence agencies and investigations and would help Trump in the 2020 election?

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1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

I just want to know what Hunter Biden was doing for $85,000.00 USD a month? 

And I want to know why the only bank that would do business with Trump after his multiple bankruptcies is a bank notorious for criminal money laundering. 

 

That has more to do with Trump's fitness for office than the past acts of a son of a Presidential candidate, doesn't it?

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18 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Welcome to the MO of anti Trump brigade here.

 

• No independent, original thoughts or viewpoints

• Slavish reliance on google and putting forward the musings of any liberal media organisation

• All other links are bogus and fake.

• Anyone famous criticises trump, whip out the link like it's the last word

• If anyone from his administration criticises him, whip out the link, underline and print it in bold

• If polls support trump they are fake and dishonest

• If polls go against trump they are reliable and honest

• Anyone who supports Trump is a racist, rapist, factually challenged, moron etc etc

 

This will go on even long after 2020. For your own sanity, do not waste excessive paragraphs of original thinking

on them. Once in a whole, throw them a link that shows they're talking rubbish, laugh in their faces, hold your ground and stand proud and strong.

God bless.

The MO of the pro-Trump brigade--make lots of accusations without specific references or sources.

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9 hours ago, heybruce said:

And I want to know why the only bank that would do business with Trump after his multiple bankruptcies is a bank notorious for criminal money laundering. 

 

IF you are making allegations of Trump for Money laundering, that would be a new charge. Call NYPD if you have some evidence. AND .... you did not answer my question.

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