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4 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Actually the point, as I see it, is more like your local immigration office is happy for you to switch from retirement to marriage as your reason for future extensions of stay based on your original OA visa without the need for TGIA-approved longstay health insurance cover.

 

Which office are we talking about here, please?

I'm not sure if I should be disclosing this so I've PM'd you.

 

Hmmm, looks like I can't! WTH Chiang Mai.

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1 minute ago, saengd said:

I can only say this so many times....from the agent:

 

"immigration officer have answered positively to your request to switch your current visa to a non O Marriage one".

You don't have a current Visa, but a current extension. I added another comment above. I believe anything can happen here.... 

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1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

You don't have a current Visa, but a current extension. I added another comment above. I believe anything can happen here.... 

I do wish we would stop this silliness. I don't know why it is that long term expats need to keep raising this pedantic point, visa and extension of visa are terms that are used interchangably amongst people who understand these things and have been here for some time, with newbies, no, long timers yes and visa agents.

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Just now, saengd said:

I do wish we would stop this silliness. I don't know why it is that long term expats need to keep raising this pedantic point, visa and extension of visa are terms that are used interchangably amongst people who understand these things and have been here for some time, with newbies, no, long timers yes and visa agents.

Whatever....  you still can't extend a visa, and I expect that is where you are being unclear. 

Anyhow, good luck.

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1 hour ago, saengd said:

visa and extension of visa are terms that are used interchangably amongst people who understand these things and have been here for some time

Actually, it's 'visa and extension of stay' that are erroneously interchanged. On the MFA website, they tell you if you want a Non Imm O-A "long stay" visa issued in Thailand, you just have to go to Immigration to have it issued. This, we know, it not possible -- just another case of Non Imm O-A visa being confused with an extension of stay based on retirement. Even embassies sometimes get mixed up and use the term visa for an extension of stay. Not very helpful, especially if the Thais are writing laws based on confusion with terminology.

 

Anyway your "...to switch your current visa to a non O Marriage one" makes sense when you replace "visa" with "extension of stay." By the way, there is no such thing as a 'marriage visa.' But, you knew that, right?

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saengd,

I understand where you are coming with some of the remarks that are made.

I like to think that we are here to help and support each other.

 

I am following your posts as like you and others I am in the same situation.

Stay with it.

Good luck.

 

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On 12/5/2019 at 12:14 PM, hugocnx said:

Thank you. Feels a bit better. No posters either who had experiences lately. Seems at Aetna OPD cost me an extra >30K baht per year. Rediculous for 40K coverage, even being 71.

 

It is, but a second "throw-away" policy just to meet Imm requirement will cost even more and be of no use whereas you can get at least some use out of ATENA OPD cover.

 

Which AETNA plan is this? If Platinum there is no maximum per visit which greatly increases the likelihood if actually using much of it.

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23 hours ago, saengd said:

I wasn't aware I used the term, "marriage visa", but yes, I do know that no such thing exists.

 

Taking a step back for a moment: I posted that I had asked an agent if I could switch from an O-A based on retirement to an O based on marriage, they wrote back and told me Immigration said I could do those things hence I am going to do those things.

 

But when I report those things here, for the benefit of others, three people tell me I'm either confused, have misunderstood, am really doing something completely different or it can't be done, this despite sending details from the emails that were sent and received on the subject. I wonder what that's all about, do people only want to read stories that match their understanding of what is true and possible and everything else must be nonsense? Yet those same people are keen to point out the minutiae of correct terminology relating to the subject, hmm!

 

I fear this site has become unusable if we're now to this stage of things, there's no incentive for anyone to report their experiences because the associated challenges make it so laborious, it's just not worth the effort.

 

saengd

 

I think people are just trying to help as there is room for misunderstanding of what they told you that could cause you some real problems.

 

Immigration cannot change an OA to an O visa. They can convert a tourist visa to an O or issue an O to someone already in country on  a visa exempt entry.

 

So one way or the other you are going to have to leave the country and re-enter. Whether you do so my returning to your home country and getting an O there, or by getting an O in the region, or by making a border hop and returning visa exempt etc etc all up to you.

 

I think people were just concerned that you'd not plan for leaving the country and expect your OA to be changed to an O in-country . Can't be done.

 

While I have never used an agent (and hope not to ever have to, but who knows) I have discussed visa matters with several since this insurance ^&% started and I find their language to often be imprecise and English comprehension also not the best. And the person who talks to you may not be the person who actually handles things.  On more than one occasion an agent has told me something could be done that after I rephrased the question several times it emerged could not be done, or could only be done under certain substantial conditions, like leaving the country first and re-entering. So just beware.  When you actually hand them your passport they may give a different answer than you got so far e.g. "Oh but you have top leave the country first and re-enter visa exempt". or "keep your passport with you, be at the van by 6 AM tomorrow and we'll take your passport when you get back the next day". Etc.

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1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Immigration cannot change an OA to an O visa. They can convert a tourist visa to an O or issue an O to someone already in country on  a visa exempt entry.

Right. But are you saying you cannot change your one year extension of stay based on retirement to a one year extension of stay based on marriage -- both of which emanate from the same original Non Imm O-A visa? Why would that be, since you certainly could have elected to go the marriage extension route initially off of that O-A visa. Is changing extension options somehow not allowed off of the same expired O-A visa?

 

Anyway, to me, that seems to be what saengd's agent is promising......

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3 hours ago, JimGant said:

Right. But are you saying you cannot change your one year extension of stay based on retirement to a one year extension of stay based on marriage -- both of which emanate from the same original Non Imm O-A visa? Why would that be, since you certainly could have elected to go the marriage extension route initially off of that O-A visa. Is changing extension options somehow not allowed off of the same expired O-A visa?

 

Anyway, to me, that seems to be what saengd's agent is promising......

If that is all then of course can, and indeed  do not need an agent to do that. Not at all complicated.

 

But that does not remove the OA which I thought was his intention.

 

There have been reports of some IOs (more than 1 province) saying the insurance requirement still applies even if reason for extension is marriage since you are still extending your stay under on OA visa.

 

Anyone planning to do this had best check with IO first. And/or extend early with a plan B.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

There have been reports of some IOs (more than 1 province) saying the insurance requirement still applies even if reason for extension is marriage since you are still extending your stay under on OA visa.

Hi Sheryl,

I did not see such reports (maybe I missed them), but imo such an interpretation by an IO could - and should - be easily challenged as the PoliceOrder addressing the health-insurance requirement, clearly refers to the clauses addressing RETIREMENT.

Obviously IOs are not keen on doing extensions based on OA Visa for marriage, because of the extensive paperwork.  But bending the rules to avoid this, is not acceptable.

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