Keep calling Big Oud's hotline: German arrested on 218 day overstay

[Matzzon 13,661]

5 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

But how much do we know about this guy?

What does that matter. It can be Zlatan in disguise, a very dangerous bank robber or just a plain nice guy. Totally irrelevant and you can not give him slack because you do not know enough about him. We all know he overstayed, right?
 

5 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

Since when is overstaying a crime?

Same old same old. You never get it, do you? Overstaying is breaking the law. Since when is it not a criminal act to break the law?

Even if you happen to think it´s a petty thing, it´s not your thing to decide. This is Thialand, and they have their rules. They may not be the same as you want, but you have to abide by them for not get into trouble in Thailand. If you do not like it. Find a country with a law you like, and stop useless complaining all the time.

[richard_smith237 26,011]

Just now, Matzzon said:

 

Same old same old. You never get it, do you? Overstaying is breaking the law. Since when is it not a criminal act to break the law?
 

 

Like you never broke a speed limit, drank a beer outside of licensing hours etc...  Crimes !!!

 

Your exaggerated outrage at someone who has overstayed just to continue your point is a little silly - it's just an overstay. Immigration obviously view it seriously and the guy was foolish, but there are far better, more serious targets for your vitriol. 

 

 

It's quite likely this guy could not meet the more strict immigration requirements - I feel sorry for him. Yes, the law is the law but sometimes 'the law can be an ass' (paraphrase).

 

 

[Matzzon 13,661]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Your point while valid belongs in a world of black and white which we don't live in. Thai's legal and moral spectrum by far exceeds the simplicity of your 'black and white' world of absolutes.

 

Someone who overstays lives in a 'grey area' where they are doing no one any harm and possibly supporting someone - from a moral perspective its difficult to consider this a crime. 

 

Much like someone who brings in an extra bottle of booze, or forgets to use their indicator at a junction - yes there is a law / regulation which is broken but when using our discretion we can easily consider it so minor not to be worth our attention. 

 

With the benefit of our intelligence and discretion we can easily consider an overstayer harmless and none of our business (unless they have crossed us in someway or doing something morally reprehensible), while more serious crimes should of course should be reported. 

 

This is where we have the dichotomy of Thai Policing: 

- Report and overstayer and there is a 5 man response team to arrest him. 

- Report someone beating up their girlfriend and the Police are not interested. 

 

I know which issue I'm morally bound to report and which one I have no issues ignoring. 

Sure, I agree that the police is doing wrong by not reacting to a call about someone beating up his girlfriend. However, that makes no difference. Just because one thing is not working, you can not agree to allow more things to slip. It´s not your thing ot decide what is more important. I would say both, to comply with the right line of policing.

What you just did with your post was to approve more discretion of the law both for citizens and the police.

[spiekerjozef 4,356]

2 hours ago, mikebell said:

So a Thai grouse turned him in; he will be deported and the Thais who had been benefiting from his custom will lose out.  Thai logic.

If I remember right wasn't this exactly what germans did themselves?

only deporting was by train.

Edited December 12, 2019 by spiekerjozef

[Old Croc 9,515]

It's not just a Thai thing:

 

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/dobbing-in-the-visa-cheats/news-story/36ea0dc2532abeaf45e18de3d1a8ccd6

[Docno 3,591]

And I'm sure he'll find defenders here who will argue that he just forgot when his visa would be expiring...

[mauGR1 8,038]

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

We can just take an example:

If you see somebody beeing killed and you can identify the person who committed the crime. isn´t the right thing to come forward and report that?

Answer: Yes, it is! Because of the reason it´s somebody committing a criminal act and therefore breaking the law.

An overstayer is also breaking the law and committing a crime, even if it is not comparable to murder.

Yet you did the comparison, didn't you

[Isaanbiker 6,938]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Wish you would..........

I couldn't agree more. Each post is somehow an insult. 

 

    

[Sticky Wicket 5,547]

1 hour ago, newatthis said:

I agree about the murderer, but how would you "know" the farang was overstaying?

He probably sneaks into people's houses and checks passports , or places bugs in their living rooms

[fforest1 5,612]

36 minutes ago, Docno said:

And I'm sure he'll find defenders here who will argue that he just forgot when his visa would be expiring...

A 218 day overstay could happen to anybody......Some times I forget to buy some milk at 7-11 .....He just had minor forgetfulness....

Edited December 12, 2019 by fforest1

[dcnx 8,326]

2 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Nobody have asked anybody to spy! People are just asked to report what they know and suspicious circumstances.

That’s the most Thai response you could have given. 
 

I’ll use your logic next time my wife catches me with another woman. “No dear, we were not having sex. She simply asked me to insert my penis into her vagina and thrust vigorously.”

 

 

[Borzandy 2,883]

3 hours ago, canopus1969 said:

He broke the law - get over it

YES, he's a dangerous guy!

[Isaanbiker 6,938]

1 minute ago, dcnx said:

That’s the most Thai response you could have given. 
 

I’ll use your logic next time my wife catches me with another woman. “No dear, we were not having sex. She simply asked me to insert my penis into her vagina and thrust vigorously.”

 

 

 

This guy does have his own logic that pretty much suc_s.

[dcnx 8,326]

44 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

What about a foreigner check in and tells some incredible story about not having his passport with him when it´s right in his saddlebag around his waist? Creates suspision, wouldn´t you say?

You give the person behind the desk too much credit. They are not looking in your bag or thinking anything other than what they will eat next or why you’re taking so long because they have Facebook open on their phone and it’s on the desk waiting for them. 

 

No one is going to know anyone else is overstaying unless they A) spy on them, or B) you brag to the locals that you’re on overstay.

[Grumpy John 5,214]

I am pretty sure all those that live here are aware of the burden placed on all of us by immigration so there is little wiggle room to claim lack of knowledge by the guy in question.  It's sad for him that he will not be allowed into Thailand again for 5 years,  but he only has to look in a mirror to see who it is he has to blame.