intheheartoftheheart Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Hi gents. I would love to have some spirited discussion here about this recent piece by Peter Zeihan. In my opinion, he's one of the better geopolitical writers working today. In no way am I trying to troll. I think this is a worthwhile piece from a rare intelligent American cheerleader. Here is the piece on Brexit in full, please give it a read: https://mailchi.mp/zeihan/the-cutting-room-files-part-5-the-future-of-the-united-kingdom I'll include a few interesting quotes: "The issue with London from the American perspective is harsh in its simplicity. Only three countries have ever threatened the U.S. mainland directly. The Soviet Union aimed nukes at the United States, and so Washington will typically take steps overt and covert to whittle away at Russian power. Mexico and the United States fought a land war, that ended with the Americans taking half of Mexico’s territory. Curious what you guys think? Hyperbolic? Or on point? Link to comment
zyphodb Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I think the UK still has a choice but given who is going to be the new government, being a vassel state to the US is a certainty with the UK gov. members lining their pockets all the way... RIP UK Link to comment
englishoak Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Its Peter Zeihan, so Hyperbolic. Link to comment
GeorgeCross Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 not whilst $32 Trillion is still sloshing around in our colonies offshore banking systems Link to comment
intheheartoftheheart Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Great point, George. What happens to that money after Brexit? Any change? Link to comment
topt Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 11:22 AM, intheheartoftheheart said: he's one of the better geopolitical writers working today. In no way am I trying to troll. I think this is a worthwhile piece from a rare intelligent American cheerleader. I admit to not reading the whole piece as reading the excerpts was enough to put me off. Not sure if you picked them specifically to enrage engage but definitely hyperbolic......... Hyperbole from Wiki - "........As a figure of speech, it is usually not meant to be taken literally." If as you say he is "a rare intelligent American cheerleader." then the bias really shows through. Link to comment
fredob43 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Please correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't we us brits have all this rubbish before from peeps in the UK saying we will hit the cliff by just voting to leave, did it come to prosper? well no in fact we (The UK) are doing very well, Thank you. Now we have some Yank telling us what we should do/how it's going to be. Suggest that he just minds his own business. They the USA have more than enough problems of their own. Trump, Guns, Deaths/Shooting every week, I could go on just a few pointers how they are going. That might be a better thing to discus. Link to comment
Rocking Robert Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 You can always become the 51st state. Link to comment
champers Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rocking Robert said: You can always become the 51st state. Highly unlikely. The US would have to invest more than China, various Arab Kingdoms and even the Russians. Link to comment
Rookiescot Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Yeah but blue passports. Link to comment
vogie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Yeah but blue passports. It would appear that democracy is a bitter pill to swallow for some on here. Link to comment
Rookiescot Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, vogie said: It would appear that democracy is a bitter pill to swallow for some on here. Democracy? You want to refuse Scotland a referendum based on the fact you fear the result and come on here talking about democracy? Link to comment
OneMoreFarang Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Yesterday I read this interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/16/boris-johnson-do-brexit-options-rhetoric-uk-single-market Brexit is “oven ready” and will be “done” on 31 January of next year. True enough. Except, of course, virtually nothing will actually change – except that we lose our voice and vote, and what remains of our influence on the future course of the EU. We’ll still be in the single market, free movement will continue, as will our financial contributions, and there will be no tariffs or customs checks, either between Dublin and Calais or in the Irish Sea. Instead, we will enter an uneasy interregnum, the so-called “transition” period – really a standstill period. Link to comment
FarFlungFalang Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Why do they call it a Kingdom?What's with that?Where's the King?Shouldn't it be called a Queendom? Link to comment
vogie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Democracy? You want to refuse Scotland a referendum based on the fact you fear the result and come on here talking about democracy? Wrong thread! Link to comment
terryw Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 It is inevitable that in the next few years the UK will have a closer trade relationship with the USA, they are our number 1 trading country. I would speculate that in 10 years time the UK will have a similar trading relationship to Canada and Mexico. How much US political influence on the UK will increase is difficult to forsee. Increasingly the unstable Euro situation will unravel and the EU might break up. The Irish will then have to decide whether to stay close to an unstable Europe or do the same as the Brits. Link to comment
CG1 Blue Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Yesterday I read this interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/16/boris-johnson-do-brexit-options-rhetoric-uk-single-market Brexit is “oven ready” and will be “done” on 31 January of next year. True enough. Except, of course, virtually nothing will actually change – except that we lose our voice and vote, and what remains of our influence on the future course of the EU. We’ll still be in the single market, free movement will continue, as will our financial contributions, and there will be no tariffs or customs checks, either between Dublin and Calais or in the Irish Sea. Instead, we will enter an uneasy interregnum, the so-called “transition” period – really a standstill period. And project fear continues... He was probably one of the many 'experts' who said the EU will never reopen negotiations on the WA - and then they did. Link to comment
JonnyF Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Nonsense. You could argue the US is in a good position to have favorable terms on any trade deal but that would not make the UK a vassal state. The reality is that the UK will once again be self governing, free to make it's own laws and trade deals. Expect more of these salty articles from (or simply to appeal to) the bitter losers who finally got their second vote and got absolutely mullered at the polls (again!). Link to comment
legend49 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Who cares as individual you have no control over this BS. Link to comment
Caspersfriend Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said: And project fear continues... He was probably one of the many 'experts' who said the EU will never reopen negotiations on the WA - and then they did. The Guardian Estimated circulation: 0.3m Political slant: Their readership tends to be split between the Liberal Democrats and Labour. Link to comment
Rookiescot Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, vogie said: Wrong thread! Just pointing out your hypocrisy. Again. Link to comment
sniggie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 20 hours ago, fredob43 said: well no in fact we (The UK) are doing very well, Thank you. How so? Link to comment
Emdog Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Brits will have to deal with Trump. He seems to have zero sum game plans, if he has any plans. "I win, you lose". Having a "win win" outcome just doesn't seem to be a possible mind set for him. Link to comment
Fairynuff Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, vogie said: It would appear that democracy is a bitter pill to swallow for some on here. Democracy isn’t democracy when it’s based on lies. In a democracy you have the right to change your mind. And finally how many times did May rerun her vote trying to get the result she wanted? Link to comment
vogie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Just pointing out your hypocrisy. Again. No you're not, by posting a post saying, 1 hour ago, Rookiescot said: Yeah but blue passports. You are trying to bait others posters and you shouldn't be surprised when other posters pick up on that. Sometimes if you have nothing of value to add to a thread, you are better not saying anything IMO.???? Link to comment
Fairynuff Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, terryw said: Increasingly the unstable Euro situation The Euro is still stronger than the GBP. Remember on day 1 when it was 1.42? The GBP actually rocketed to hit 1.20 when Johnson won, far short of 1.42 Link to comment
sniggie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I'm sure Dominic Cummings would like the UK to be more like the USA. Wasn't it he who once suggested that UK workers don't work hard enough or long enough? I'm retired nine years now but, towards the end of my working life I seem to remember that my annual leave was over 6 weeks a year. I'm not sure of the current legal minimum annual leave allowance but I would wager it's more that US workers get. One of the reasons that Labour were keeping on about protecting existing employment rights. Link to comment
sunnyboy2018 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 4:40 AM, zyphodb said: I think the UK still has a choice but given who is going to be the new government, being a vassel state to the US is a certainty with the UK gov. members lining their pockets all the way... RIP UK Better than being a vassal state of Soviet Russia. Link to comment
Rookiescot Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, vogie said: No you're not, by posting a post saying, You are trying to bait others posters and you shouldn't be surprised when other posters pick up on that. Sometimes if you have nothing of value to add to a thread, you are better not saying anything IMO.???? Blue passports is the ONLY tangible "benefit" that Brexit will actually deliver for most people. The rich however are set to line their nests thanks very much. Link to comment
Rookiescot Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, sunnyboy2018 said: Better than being a vassal state of Soviet Russia. Soviet Russia is still a thing? I thought that ended in the early 90's. Link to comment
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