kiteman9 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I just renewed my retirement extension yesterday in Nakhon Phanom using the monthly income method. The head immigration officer that signed and approved my visa told me that I have to switch to the 800 thousand in the bank method in 2020. Because the US embassy is no longer doing the notarized affidavit letter to verify my income. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 How did you do this year? The alternative to Consulate letters of income is bank record of 65k per month deposits - which I suspect you used? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, kiteman9 said: Because the US embassy is no longer doing the notarized affidavit letter to verify my income. This is already the case since the beginning of this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 A goodly number of expats have reported successful extensions using the income method thus far this year this year. Interesting that not one of them has reported being told about this. There was certainly no hint of it at Sakon Nakhon. Why should Nakhon Phanom be so different? Maybe the boss there is trying to reduce his post income letters workload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteman9 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 32 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: How did you do this year? The alternative to Consulate letters of income is bank record of 65k per month deposits - which I suspect you used? My monthly deposits come through the bank of Bangkok New York branch from a direct deposit from the US veterans administration. I presented a sealed letter from the VA to confirm where the money came from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, kiteman9 said: The head immigration officer that signed and approved my visa told me that I have to switch to the 800 thousand in the bank method in 2020. That is certainly incorrect info from the officer. Maybe he wants you to do it using the money in the bank option next year instead of transfers to prove your income. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momofarang Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Actually I was at my IO this morning to Inquire about the Health Insurance, before my next "Thai wife extension" next month. There were goods news on the HI front, but also, when my wife asked if there was any other new requirement they mentioned something about proof of income, but we weren't interested, as the 400k in bank is a total no brainer as far as we are concerned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteman9 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: That is certainly incorrect info from the officer. Maybe he wants you to it using the money in the bank option next year instead of transfers to prove your income. I do not want to change from the monthly income method to having to deposit 800 thousand baht to get my next years visa. So what should I do? It seems like they change the immigration officers every year. I guess I will have to wait until next August 3 months before my renewal time to see what immigration says about it then. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, kiteman9 said: I do not want to change from the monthly income method to having to deposit 800 thousand baht to get my next years visa. So what should I do? It seems like they change the immigration officers every year. I guess I will have to wait until next August 3 months before my renewal time to see what immigration says about it then. Just wait it out. There is nothing official to back up what he said. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Momofarang Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, ubonjoe said: Just wait it out. There is nothing official to back up what he said. Actually I find the rumors here, showing wild discrepancies between offices quite disturbing. And the info I was given quite spontaneously by a friendly group of IOs, all in the same room was "No Health Insurance is needed when an OA is prior 31/10/19". They weren't even interested in the "Thai Wife" aspect of our query. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The frustration is the maverick rogue IO who insists on a continuous visa hassle. Hard to relax because if the "unknown requirement" factor... But hey...small price for a slice of paradise... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICELANDMAN Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Puchaiyank said: The frustration is the maverick rogue IO who insists on a continuous visa hassle. Hard to relax because if the "unknown requirement" factor... But hey...small price for a slice of paradise... If this news proves to be true for 2020, our slice corner of paradise is becoming ever day more little for many foreigners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, ICELANDMAN said: If this news proves to be true for 2020, our slice corner of paradise is becoming ever day more little for many foreigners It is not true. There are no ifs ands or buts about it. 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 They will move the goal posts a little bit more farther apart as they can on their own, but until something hits the wind and then comes into police order don't believe it. But we all need to be on guard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailingHome Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Amen. 3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said: The frustration is the maverick rogue IO who insists on a continuous visa hassle. Hard to relax because if the "unknown requirement" factor... But hey...small price for a slice of paradise... amen. I just need to know wh wat to xo. ca use Transferwise it how much s month is the law? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, SailingHome said: Amen. amen. I just need to know wh wat to xo. ca use Transferwise it how much s month is the law? Retirement extension of stay requires not less than 65,000 baht transfer into Thai account each month for previous 12 consecutive months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarlin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 16 hours ago, kiteman9 said: My monthly deposits come through the bank of Bangkok New York branch from a direct deposit from the US veterans administration. I presented a sealed letter from the VA to confirm where the money came from. Did you present a letter from Bangkok Bank showing 12 months of FTT/deposits from outside Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rama Posted December 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2019 Where have you been all year, man?? Haven't been reading the blogs all year?? First time on thaivisa this year to spread false news from one officer in an out of the way office? The 65k a month monthly deposit is in Thai law, so however any current or future administrative head wants to massage how to prove it, they can't just delete it as a way to fulfill the requirement for a retirement visa. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 hours ago, kiteman9 said: just renewed my retirement extension yesterday in Nakhon Phanom using the monthly income method. The head immigration officer that signed and approved my visa told me that I have to switch to the 800 thousand in the bank method in 2020. Because the US embassy is no longer doing the notarized affidavit letter to verify my income. Did you use the embassy affidavit this time? How old was it? They stopped issuing them at the beginning of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post berrec Posted December 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 hours ago, Moonlover said: A goodly number of expats have reported successful extensions using the income method thus far this year this year. Interesting that not one of them has reported being told about this. There was certainly no hint of it at Sakon Nakhon. Why should Nakhon Phanom be so different? Maybe the boss there is trying to reduce his post income letters workload. Why should Nakhon Phanom be so different? Because they can! Many IMO in Thailand are a law unto themselves; they do what they want, how they want and when they want. Like most laws and legislation in Thailand they are treated as guidelines by the Thai society. These IMO feel empowered to assert their own will on how processes and procedures are handled by them as individuals and the rest of us can like it or lump it. As my visa agent told me recently when I asked him a question about Non-O and Non-OA visa applications and health insurance requirements; his response was, many of the IMO he deals with don't even understand the legislation in this area. God help us.....please! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteman9 Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, pmarlin said: Did you present a letter from Bangkok Bank showing 12 months of FTT/deposits from outside Thailand? Yes I had submitted letters from Bangkok Bank showing 12 months of FTT/deposits from outside Thailand. After signing my name at least 50 times and getting my passport stamped from the first immigration officer I was sent to the head man to get the final approval and his signature. Once that was all done he informed my Thai wife and I that to get my next years visa that I will have to use the 800 thousand in the bank method. Because that they no longer get the letter from the US embassy to confirm income. Even though I had 2 letters from the US veterans administration stating my income. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, berrec said: Why should Nakhon Phanom be so different? The officer may have said or meant that he can't do the monthly income method by using an embassy letter. Some things are lost in translation or the poste or his wife interpreted what was said differently from what the officer said. The O/P doesn't seem to be all that reliable regarding the whole process if this is the first he heard about the embassy no longer issuing income affidavits. Sometimes it's the farang who has things the wrong way around, not the immigration officer. If they accepted his VA document this time, it seems they were being very lenient. Edited December 14, 2019 by Suradit69 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteman9 Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Suradit69 said: Did you use the embassy affidavit this time? How old was it? They stopped issuing them at the beginning of the year. No embassy affidavit this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteman9 Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Suradit69 said: The officer may have said or meant that he can't do the monthly income method by using an embassy letter. Some things are lost in translation or the poster interpreted what was said differently from what the officer said. The O/P doesn't seem to be all that reliable regarding the whole process if this is the first he heard about the embassy no longer issuing income affidavits. Sometimes it's the farang who has things the wrong way around, not the immigration officer. My Thai wife speaks English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, kiteman9 said: No embassy affidavit this year. So what did they accept in lieu of the embassy letter? If it was your VA document, they were being very accommodating. Edited December 14, 2019 by Suradit69 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, kiteman9 said: My Thai wife speaks English Yes, I speak some Thai and my Thai friend speaks English and things frequently get lost in translation or mired in misunderstandings. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Suradit69 said: So what did they accept in lieu of the embassy letter? He used monthly transfers to apply for his extension. 18 hours ago, kiteman9 said: My monthly deposits come through the bank of Bangkok New York branch from a direct deposit from the US veterans administration. I presented a sealed letter from the VA to confirm where the money came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Momofarang said: And the info I was given quite spontaneously by a friendly group of IOs, all in the same room was "No Health Insurance is needed when an OA is prior 31/10/19". I've heard exactly the same thing in the last week, the health insurance requirement will only be for new visas. Edited December 14, 2019 by Just Weird 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, kiteman9 said: Yes I had submitted letters from Bangkok Bank showing 12 months of FTT/deposits from outside Thailand. After signing my name at least 50 times and getting my passport stamped from the first immigration officer I was sent to the head man to get the final approval and his signature. Once that was all done he informed my Thai wife and I that to get my next years visa that I will have to use the 800 thousand in the bank method. Because that they no longer get the letter from the US embassy to confirm income. Even though I had 2 letters from the US veterans administration stating my income. "Because that they no longer get the letter from the US embassy to confirm income". Why did he remind you about the income confirmation letters not being available when you hadn't used that method? Edited December 14, 2019 by Just Weird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, kiteman9 said: 40 minutes ago, Suradit69 said: Did you use the embassy affidavit this time? How old was it? They stopped issuing them at the beginning of the year. No embassy affidavit this year. That was Suradit69's point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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