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I am trying to avoid high tourist season in the following countries: Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar

I am arriving to the region (haven't picked a entry point yet) in mid-June (the coincide with start of the wet season).

I know summer holidays means tourists, so I would appreciate your help to ORDER these specific countries in the most logical way to avoid the peak period in each country. I don't mind the rain, it is the tourists, I wish to avoid (and the higher prices associated with them). I have lots of time, for example 1 month in each country.

I am only going to specific pockets in each country.

And I am flying everywhere, not a fan of overland trips. 

So fly in, spend 1 month in a loop, then fly out. 

Here is a mock order, I would like to re-arrange it.

* THAILAND (Chiang Mai and Pai) mid June-mid July

* LAOS (Luang Prabang and North) mid July-mid Aug

* VIETNAM (Hanoi and North) mid Aug-mid Sept

* CAMBODIA (Siem Reap and Battambang) mid Sep-mid Oct

* MYANMAR (Mandalay and North) mid Oct-mid Nov

* I may skip Myanmar and/or Cambodia and spend the last couple months in either South/Central Vietnam, Southern Laos or Deep South Thailand. Again, dependant on flight connections, and low season crowds. 

So again, I am ok to go in wet season, and the whole point is to avoid peak tourist season, that is why I ended the trip in mid November, as the dry, peak season starts around that time in mainland Southeast Asia. Thanks!

 

 

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I am little confused by these kind of posts over the years, either here, or backpacking groups on Facebook.
 

What’s the angle? Value for money? The real SE Asia? Or just time limitation?


The places mentioned are all mainline backpacker destinations, if you want to avoid backpackers, why go to those places? 
 

In tourist destinations, I see the low season as a grim time, restaurants closed, resorts in disrepair, restaurants running on skeleton staff with no menu, increase in petty theft as the low season progresses, constant rain, (in the south) choppy seas, no attractions or tours running, and total boredom. It’s a real depressing time, you don’t really get to see the region in it’s true light. The novelty of sitting on your balcony reading a book and eating alone at night soon wears off.

 

I lived in Ko Lanka for a couple of years, there is nothing better than the buzz of high season, the island is alive, people enjoying themselves, friends busy and happy - restaurants packed with people. I can always find some reasonable accommodation and food, it not as cheap as my city in the Deep South which is far away from the tourist way, where every day is the same, but I do see the merits of the high season. I think you would be better to move away from the well trodden trail, but Incorporating some of the destinations,  
 

Also, Myanmar? really? 

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20 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

Since you are a tourist, to avoid tourists would mean coming here when you won't be here.  

Dumb remark! How about actually answering the questions? 

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41 minutes ago, gjoo888 said:

In some of those places you'll be bored to death in less than a week, much less a month. 

Quite possible, which places are the most boring? 

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1 hour ago, recom273 said:

I am little confused by these kind of posts over the years, either here, or backpacking groups on Facebook.
 

What’s the angle? Value for money? The real SE Asia? Or just time limitation?


The places mentioned are all mainline backpacker destinations, if you want to avoid backpackers, why go to those places? 
 

In tourist destinations, I see the low season as a grim time, restaurants closed, resorts in disrepair, restaurants running on skeleton staff with no menu, increase in petty theft as the low season progresses, constant rain, (in the south) choppy seas, no attractions or tours running, and total boredom. It’s a real depressing time, you don’t really get to see the region in it’s true light. The novelty of sitting on your balcony reading a book and eating alone at night soon wears off.

 

I lived in Ko Lanka for a couple of years, there is nothing better than the buzz of high season, the island is alive, people enjoying themselves, friends busy and happy - restaurants packed with people. I can always find some reasonable accommodation and food, it not as cheap as my city in the Deep South which is far away from the tourist way, where every day is the same, but I do see the merits of the high season. I think you would be better to move away from the well trodden trail, but Incorporating some of the destinations,  
 

Also, Myanmar? really? 

Thank you for asking for more information, it shows a more stable mind. And yes value for money is my prime motivator I am not really interested in tourism, seeing sights, attractions, package treks or tours, although getting a massage, joining a gym, learning the language appeal to me, and other non-touristic behaviour, for example I tend to learn local songs and sing to the locals in their own language, something tourists normally never do and even frown upon if they are the hating type. Anyways, VALUE FOR MONEY, you got it. And I go to backpacker destinations for the low costs not for the backpackers although I would like to hangout with 1 or 2 backpackers after I have vetted them for b/s, there are different types, I like about 2-5% of the backpacker crowd, so that is why I go in low season, so I am not overwhelmed by them. Sadly, the more pristine places are more expensive and that is why I go to Pai for example, because they have 50b/night accommodation, most people don't believe it's true, but it is 100% true. And then have 30b meals. And spend about 100-200b/day all in. You can't do that in a place like NAN, for example? Or Can you? And it is ok if some of the restaurants are closed, because those Western themed expensive tourist restaurants are ones I avoid anyways. I tend to eat from the night market or shop in the morning market and cook or eat where the locals eat and I ask them to change the recipe for me, which they do because of my looks and language ability, they usually cater to me since I smile at them. It is a system I have developed that infuriates the tourists and endears the locals. If you are nice to me and don't attack me like other people here, I will explain for you in great detail how this system works. However, I have to vet you first to see if you're a good person or not. It's 2019, so there are a lot of phone ballers around (phonies). Pretentious types looking to put others down with their remarks. So it is ok the expensive restaurants are closed along with the overpriced bars and their $5 cocktails, who needs them, I don't, good they're closed, and good the drunkards aren't there to get drunk everynight. I like how the nightlife tappers down in low season. I like to hear the crickets instead of the English pop music and obnoxious Californian accents of the young backpackers. It's nice in low season. And i never go to resorts anyways, so good they're closed as well. Keeps the riff raff out. And skeleton staff sounds good as well, more chance to connect with 1 or 2 people, instead of not connecting with 10-20 people, and no menu is needed since they know what I like to eat anyways after a few days of the charm offensive. And they normally don't rob me because I put a scary face and they back off. Also having a beard helps as they fear bearded men which is just silly and really immature but it works. And if the other backpackers are bored that is usually a good sign that it's my kind of place, so your descriptions of low season sound wonderful. And I am used to being alone, and when I want company I seek out the local beauty and not lonely anymore. It's a win/win. Alone time and then not alone and then alone again and then not alone. And the sight of a packed restaurant doesn't appeal to me, and when you say buzz I think of noisy, obnoxious conversations about people blabbering about how great they are, and babbling that lead nowhere, nobody really discusses anything important it is mostly superficial banter. And a lot of posing to cover up the pain everyone is feeling inside, many turn to liquor and unless everyone is from a Western culture, there can be social differences that lead to fights and arguments. For example, abortion. Some people think it's ok to kill children, and others don't. Anyways, I like being away from the tourists, but I need the tourist places to keep the costs down. Because those places have VOLUME, I can find a niche within them. And I have visited Myanmar before. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

Since your question is ridiculous ( tuning your travel in SE Asia) and your assumption  that I'm obliged to answer your question in a certain way demonstrates an unwarranted sense of entitlement on your part, a dumb answer was the most appropriate. If you don't like it, request a refund of your subscription fee.

Another unintelligent contribution, full of ego and pride. What is ridiculous about my question? Other than because you say so? And why answer my post of questions if you're not interested in answering questions? You really see answering questions on a forum as an assumption or obligation. Sounds like somebody has the stick up in it. And it is not a certain way you have to answer, just answer. You haven't answered, so that is why I brought it up. And what is my entitlement? That you answer my questions? That was the whole point of the post. And yes I do feel entitled to ask questions on here. It's the whole point of registering. How is that unwarranted? And you talk of fees and refunds shows that you have led of a life obsessed with money. No surprise you don't wish to help others, since there is no gain in it for you. Leave the answers to the less self-absorbed amongst us. Now off you go back to tuning your investment portfolio. Sine you obviously aren't interested in helping me to tune my trip. Why would you? Nothing in it for you. 

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2 hours ago, Ireland32 said:

Your traveling during slow season, so what’s ur problem Now

There is no problem, Seamus. 

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2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Well hes right. You are a tourist, and I see you think you are a better breed, even though you are cheap charlying??

 

The weather truly sucks in SE asia during the summer. And there are more drunk Brits living here than are tourists. And if you avoid Pattaya, theres hardly any drunks at all, except Thais And 200 baht a day? Stay home, you are coming off as the annoying type of know it all that I see wearing elephant pants begging.

 

Or perhaps go on Lonely Planet and ask. You wont get coddled here 🙂

He's right about what, exactly? And how I am a tourist? I already told you I am not interested in tourism. Does everyone who goes to Chiang Mai as a foreigner automatically become a tourist in your mind? What a load hajaboo. How do you know I am not on an education visa to learn Thai for example. Are international students also tourists? Nonsense. You are just grouping me into categories you better understand. Typical mental block of the mainstreamer. I don't fit in to your categories, junior. And I am different, if you say better, then so be it, but I don't think I am better, just different in a good way, since what I see in others is so gross, especially tourists, and especially since they NEED English and liquor in order to travel. So yes the fact that I don't need English and liquor makes me feel different and in your words better. Of course it is better not be an Anglocentric drunkard. Would you like to be a drunk foreigner who only speaks 1 language, or a sober attractive younger traveler who speaks many languages and charms the locals. And if I am a cheap charlie, it is because I have learned how to manage money better than the rest, also the locals are cheap charlies as well, so how dare you mock the locals like that. And those drunk Brits are the WORST and they are tourists by the way even though they live there. I have nothing in common with neither the Brits who live there or the Brits who travel there. Of all the groups, I can't think of the 1 group more unlike myself than the Brits. I'd rather interact with the ignorant American than the Pompous Britannicis. That is a latin term for them. And don't worry I will never go to Pattaya, that place will be judged like Sodom and Gomorrah. And good riddance. And I don't beg, I have money. You just got the wrong idea. And I don't wear elephant pants and I don't like the company of hippies as there is usually a smell of ganja. I also don't like the alcohol smell. Lots of smelly Westies a bout. Avoid them ike the plague. I may know it all and be annoying at times, but the other stuff, is not true. Please inquire before concluding. It will be improve your disposition. And Lonely planet and here are both full of people who don't really answer questions except the minority. The majority come across as unhelpful. I only ask for the minority's sake (so that learn about the majority and what makes them so unhelpful). It is a service I provide for minorities. If you retract your statement and be nice to me, I will include you in these services. You see if I was really a cheapo, I would hoard my stuff, instead I offer to share them. That is who I really am, but only if you apologize to the forum members for using my post as a tangent accelerator.

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32 minutes ago, sakoo said:

He's right about what, exactly? And how I am a tourist? I already told you I am not interested in tourism. Does everyone who goes to Chiang Mai as a foreigner automatically become a tourist in your mind? What a load hajaboo. How do you know I am not on an education visa to learn Thai for example. Are international students also tourists? Nonsense. You are just grouping me into categories you better understand. Typical mental block of the mainstreamer. I don't fit in to your categories, junior. And I am different, if you say better, then so be it, but I don't think I am better, just different in a good way, since what I see in others is so gross, especially tourists, and especially since they NEED English and liquor in order to travel. So yes the fact that I don't need English and liquor makes me feel different and in your words better. Of course it is better not be an Anglocentric drunkard. Would you like to be a drunk foreigner who only speaks 1 language, or a sober attractive younger traveler who speaks many languages and charms the locals. And if I am a cheap charlie, it is because I have learned how to manage money better than the rest, also the locals are cheap charlies as well, so how dare you mock the locals like that. And those drunk Brits are the WORST and they are tourists by the way even though they live there. I have nothing in common with neither the Brits who live there or the Brits who travel there. Of all the groups, I can't think of the 1 group more unlike myself than the Brits. I'd rather interact with the ignorant American than the Pompous Britannicis. That is a latin term for them. And don't worry I will never go to Pattaya, that place will be judged like Sodom and Gomorrah. And good riddance. And I don't beg, I have money. You just got the wrong idea. And I don't wear elephant pants and I don't like the company of hippies as there is usually a smell of ganja. I also don't like the alcohol smell. Lots of smelly Westies a bout. Avoid them ike the plague. I may know it all and be annoying at times, but the other stuff, is not true. Please inquire before concluding. It will be improve your disposition. And Lonely planet and here are both full of people who don't really answer questions except the minority. The majority come across as unhelpful. I only ask for the minority's sake (so that learn about the majority and what makes them so unhelpful). It is a service I provide for minorities. If you retract your statement and be nice to me, I will include you in these services. You see if I was really a cheapo, I would hoard my stuff, instead I offer to share them. That is who I really am, but only if you apologize to the forum members for using my post as a tangent accelerator.

You had your BS thread a few weeks back, give it away!

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