Barack Obama: Women are indisputably better than men

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Have you ever seen a group of women together? No-one wants to be the first to leave because everyone else starts slagging her off. ????

One could say the same thing about expats in Thailand.

 

It’s a human thing, not a gender thing.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

I agree, too much generalizing ????

 

One could easily argue that women commit less violent crime because violent crimes tend to be physical crimes and women would be at a disadvantage against men. 

 

We're sort of seeing that today when transgender (former men, now women) compete in women's sports.  They crush it because, even when you match the weight class, men, genetically, have certain advantages in physical competitions like bone density and muscle mass. 

 

Obviously, there are women who are outliers, and could beat down many men, but that may also explain the difference in types of crime.   

 

For instance, in cases of Munchausen syndrome by proxy, the perpetrator is almost always a woman. 

 

Also, how do you define fraudster?  I think we could have a spirited debate about whether or not women have successfully gamed the system to their advantage in western society.  Isn't every gold digger committing fraud? 

 

I've worked in the corporate world and can attest that women, given enough power, can be just as evil and conniving as any man. 

 

Again, my point isn't to demonize women or write a 13-page dissertation on why males express themselves in more aggressive ways, but I did want to provide a counter-point to what you are saying. 

 

There are good men and bad men.  There are good women and bad women.  There are also a lot of societal and physical factors that make each sex more prone to certain types of behavior. 

And I presume Obama made his statement because of your last paragraph. Each sex is more prone to certain types of behaviour.

[canuckamuck]

8 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

Although she packs a freight load of baggage, Hillary has spent her life in the system. And, after lying low for a period, she is beginning to pop up again.

 

Like the plague.

[Orton Rd]

Obama never heard of this one then

 

 

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

Yeah, and conservatives never promote bad ideas.  LOL

Not saying they don't.  But not nearly to the degree of liberals.  Girls can be boys and boys can be girls and some can even be from another planet.  All accepted by liberals with open arms.  Denying your biological heritage is a sound idea.

 

Promoting the idea that women are better than men is just as stupid.  That's denying that all men (and women) are created equal.  It promotes separation, not unity.  It's a false premise.

[Rimmer]

A derogatry troll post has been removed

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Not saying they don't.  But not nearly to the degree of liberals.  Girls can be boys and boys can be girls and some can even be from another planet.  All accepted by liberals with open arms.  Denying your biological heritage is a sound idea.

 

Promoting the idea that women are better than men is just as stupid.  That's denying that all men (and women) are created equal.  It promotes separation, not unity.  It's a false premise.

Conservative nonsense!!

Nobody promoted the idea that women are better than man, only that women are better than man at some things, as man are better than women at other things.  People can be equal but not the same.

 

[digibum]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And I presume Obama made his statement because of your last paragraph. Each sex is more prone to certain types of behaviour.

 

Perhaps, but like I said, having seen women in positions of great power (C-Level roles in well-known companies), they don't get there being kind and compassionate.  They rise to the top using many of the same strategies as do men, but, they have different tactics. 

[digibum]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Not saying they don't.  But not nearly to the degree of liberals.  Girls can be boys and boys can be girls and some can even be from another planet.  All accepted by liberals with open arms.  Denying your biological heritage is a sound idea.

 

Promoting the idea that women are better than men is just as stupid.  That's denying that all men (and women) are created equal.  It promotes separation, not unity.  It's a false premise.

 

That's why it's a good idea to cite the ideas and not promote them as liberal or conservative.  In my experience, very few things in life are black and white.  There's a lot of grey in the world and once you pick a side, conservative or liberal, you are committing yourself to a black or white stance. 

 

I think denying biological differences is just as stupid as you do.  But I could cite plenty of conservative ideas that I think are equally or more destructive to society. 

 

I chose to not pick sides when both sides are wrong.  I don't vote liberal or conservative.  I vote for the person that, IMHO, has the best ideas. 

 

Often, way too often, that means picking the lessor of two evils. 

[Tippaporn]

16 minutes ago, sirineou said:

21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Not saying they don't.  But not nearly to the degree of liberals.  Girls can be boys and boys can be girls and some can even be from another planet.  All accepted by liberals with open arms.  Denying your biological heritage is a sound idea.

 

Promoting the idea that women are better than men is just as stupid.  That's denying that all men (and women) are created equal.  It promotes separation, not unity.  It's a false premise.

Conservative nonsense!!

Nobody promoted the idea that women are better than man, only that women are better than man at some things, as man are better than women at other things.  People can be equal but not the same.

 

Why do liberals like to lie?  Can't you just have an honest debate?

 

From the article:

 

Speaking in Singapore, he said women aren't perfect, but are "indisputably better" than men.

[mauGR1]

When some intelligent, popular, clever man like Obama says such things, you know that the world is f*****.

..And to think that i had some hope when he got elected...

[Cryingdick]

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Why do liberals like to lie?  Can't you just have an honest debate?

 

From the article:

 

Speaking in Singapore, he said women aren't perfect, but are "indisputably better" than men.

 

Saying dumb/reprehensible things is excusable when you are 'woke'. Saying dumb things that are honest is inexcusable when you are not.

[sunnyboy2018]

13 hours ago, sirineou said:

 

Historically, man have stopped women from running the world.

Historically men have facilitated womens entry into power, health, autonomy, education etc. Any other view is extreme separatist feminist propaganda,  outdated propaganda at that. The artificial gulf created by pseudo Marxists between women and men never existed.  Men and women have worked together for eons. Their victimhood ascribed to them was an artificial construct, made for them and other groups forming the origins of Identity politics after the failure of the Marxists to co opt the working classes.

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

That's why it's a good idea to cite the ideas and not promote them as liberal or conservative.  In my experience, very few things in life are black and white.  There's a lot of grey in the world and once you pick a side, conservative or liberal, you are committing yourself to a black or white stance. 

 

I think denying biological differences is just as stupid as you do.  But I could cite plenty of conservative ideas that I think are equally or more destructive to society. 

 

I chose to not pick sides when both sides are wrong.  I don't vote liberal or conservative.  I vote for the person that, IMHO, has the best ideas. 

 

Often, way too often, that means picking the lessor of two evils. 

I actually agree with your post and have always felt similarly myself.  I don't consider myself liberal or conservative and instead evaluate ideas based on the ideas themselves and not which side is espousing them.

 

On the other hand, most people who identify as liberal do show a tendency, from my perspective, of accepting false ideas more so than people who identify themselves as conservative.  Especially radical, bizarre ideas.  I personally know of no conservative, for example, who would support the idea of changing sexual identification.  Liberals show public support for the idea.  Obama is obviously a liberal.  And he's espousing what I consider a radical, bizarre idea.

[ivor bigun]

In one respect he is quite right ,i far prefer women to men ,when having sex.

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

I actually agree with your post and have always felt similarly myself.  I don't consider myself liberal or conservative and instead evaluate ideas based on the ideas themselves and not which side is espousing them.

 

On the other hand, most people who identify as liberal do show a tendency, from my perspective, of accepting false ideas more so than people who identify themselves as conservative.  Especially radical, bizarre ideas.  I personally know of no conservative, for example, who would support the idea of changing sexual identification.  Liberals show public support for the idea.  Obama is obviously a liberal.  And he's espousing what I consider a radical, bizarre idea.

 

Well the nice thing is after hearing Obama say that I now identify as a woman. Pretty convenient. If anybody attacks me now watch your P's and Q's as you are attacking a woman. Acceptable pronouns to address me: She/her

[digibum]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I actually agree with your post and have always felt similarly myself.  I don't consider myself liberal or conservative and instead evaluate ideas based on the ideas themselves and not which side is espousing them.

 

On the other hand, most people who identify as liberal do show a tendency, from my perspective, of accepting false ideas more so than people who identify themselves as conservative.  Especially radical, bizarre ideas.  I personally know of no conservative, for example, who would support the idea of changing sexual identification.  Liberals show public support for the idea.  Obama is obviously a liberal.  And he's espousing what I consider a radical, bizarre idea.

 

To be honest, it seems like you're picking the extreme left.  Just like you can pick examples from the extreme right about religion, trickle down economics, etc. 

 

The vast majority of people sit somewhere in the middle.  I don't think it serves any great purpose to label anyone that is slightly left of center, and may even call themselves liberal, as some loony that agrees with the far left. 

 

There's a far right, far left, moderate left, and moderate right.  The vast majority of people are in the moderate camps. 

[sunnyboy2018]

13 hours ago, sirineou said:

 

Historically, man have stopped women from running the world.

Roving bands of tyrannical plumbers...

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

To be honest, it seems like you're picking the extreme left.  Just like you can pick examples from the extreme right about religion, trickle down economics, etc. 

 

The vast majority of people sit somewhere in the middle.  I don't think it serves any great purpose to label anyone that is slightly left of center, and may even call themselves liberal, as some loony that agrees with the far left. 

 

There's a far right, far left, moderate left, and moderate right.  The vast majority of people are in the moderate camps. 

 

The difference is the extreme right tends to stay home and shoot raccoons in their backyard while drinking Bud Light. The extreme left typically think they are woke and anybody that questions them is garbage. They tend to think they are the fittest leaders in the world. Many dumb rednecks realize they are stupid. The same can't be said about the fringe lunatic left.

 

They tend to espouse view points that it is indisputable that one class of person is better than another.

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

To be honest, it seems like you're picking the extreme left.  Just like you can pick examples from the extreme right about religion, trickle down economics, etc. 

 

The vast majority of people sit somewhere in the middle.  I don't think it serves any great purpose to label anyone that is slightly left of center, and may even call themselves liberal, as some loony that agrees with the far left. 

 

There's a far right, far left, moderate left, and moderate right.  The vast majority of people are in the moderate camps. 

Actually, I despise the labeling and grouping of people into any particular category.  Most everyone has fallen for it and it's tough to talk outside of that framework.

 

To be sure, no two individuals have identical beliefs.

 

But i do aver that those people identifying as liberal have the most radical, bizarre ideas.

 

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Actually, I despise the labeling and grouping of people into any particular category.  Most everyone has fallen for it and it's tough to talk outside of that framework.

 

To be sure, no two individuals have identical beliefs.

 

The modern day left dissects it down to a level not seen since the Nazis. LGBTQIA. I am gay and was okay with LGBT and even Q but IA? Are they going to measure my gay Jewish head for further classification?

[Caldera]

Now he's really lost his marbles.

 

[digibum]

36 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The difference is the extreme right tends to stay home and shoot raccoons in their backyard while drinking Bud Light. The extreme left typically think they are woke and anybody that questions them is garbage. They tend to think they are the fittest leaders in the world. Many dumb rednecks realize they are stupid. The same can't be said about the fringe lunatic left.

Yet, you're missing my point.  ????

 

What good comes from painting moderate liberals or moderate conservatives with such a broad brush? 

 

Here's a good example of an issue that divides Americans even though people in the middle generally agree. 

 

The far left thinks we should just allow anyone to come to the US.  The far right thinks we should shut down immigration completely (or nearly so). 

 

But, most moderate liberals and conservatives don't think either of those two approaches are the right choice. 

 

Even President Bush tried to pass a bipartisan immigration reform bill and got shot down by his own party. 

 

The biggest difference between the moderate liberals and moderate conservatives is on the why's and the how's, yet they agree that the system is broken and things need to be fixed somehow. 

 

So is it fair or even useful to say that liberals are crazy and want illegal immigrants to flood over the border?  Not really since most of them (who are in the moderate camp) don't want that.  They want some other solution. 

 

Is it fair or even useful to say that all conservatives are crazy and want to create a white America?  Not really since most of them aren't racist and just want everyone to go through the proper channels to come here. 

 

And, BTW, I think you completely underestimate the far, lunatic right.  Remember the whole Tea Party movement?  A lot of really dumb and racist people got elected in that movement.  Remember Boehner who couldn't keep them under control and even Paul Ryan was constantly frustrated with the lunatic fringe of his own party? 

 

Don't try to paint the far left right as too dumb and lazy to try and implement their tragically flawed ideals.  The modern rednecks are doing quite well for themselves. 

 

EDIT:  Corrected left to right. 

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The modern day left dissects it down to a level not seen since the Nazis. LGBTQIA. I am gay and was okay with LGBT and even Q but IA? Are they going to measure my gay Jewish head for further classification?

I saw a video not long ago and the person identified as from another planet.  Not sure which letter of LGBTQIA describes that sexual orientation?  The left has gone full blown bat sh!t crazy but as long as they embrace these people they'll get their votes.

[meechai]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

If women ran every country in the world there would be a general improvement in living standards and outcomes,

He could be right but...As soon as I read it I thought of how he campagained for Hillary Clinton. Then I thought of Nancy Pelosi & Janet Reno ????

 

 

[digibum]

13 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The modern day left dissects it down to a level not seen since the Nazis. LGBTQIA. I am gay and was okay with LGBT and even Q but IA? Are they going to measure my gay Jewish head for further classification?

 

That's funny because a good friend of mine was on the board of our company's Equality initiative and, despite being gay, and a HUUUUUGE Hillary fan (even worked on her campaign), was almost militant in his stance that it should be LGB.  Actually, he wasn't even that fond of the L's either. 

 

Here was the guy who most would expect to be as liberal as they get and he thought the T and Q were a step too far. 

 

So, again, it's not the left.  It's a very vocal, very loud minority of the left. 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, digibum said:

Yet, you're missing my point.  ????

 

What good comes from painting moderate liberals or moderate conservatives with such a broad brush? 

 

Here's a good example of an issue that divides Americans even though people in the middle generally agree. 

 

The far left thinks we should just allow anyone to come to the US.  The far right thinks we should shut down immigration completely (or nearly so). 

 

But, most moderate liberals and conservatives don't think either of those two approaches are the right choice. 

 

Even President Bush tried to pass a bipartisan immigration reform bill and got shot down by his own party. 

 

The biggest difference between the moderate liberals and moderate conservatives is on the why's and the how's, yet they agree that the system is broken and things need to be fixed somehow. 

 

So is it fair or even useful to say that liberals are crazy and want illegal immigrants to flood over the border?  Not really since most of them (who are in the moderate camp) don't want that.  They want some other solution. 

 

Is it fair or even useful to say that all conservatives are crazy and want to create a white America?  Not really since most of them aren't racist and just want everyone to go through the proper channels to come here. 

 

And, BTW, I think you completely underestimate the far, lunatic right.  Remember the whole Tea Party movement?  A lot of really dumb and racist people got elected in that movement.  Remember Boehner who couldn't keep them under control and even Paul Ryan was constantly frustrated with the lunatic fringe of his own party? 

 

Don't try to paint the far left as too dumb and lazy to try and implement their tragically flawed ideals.  The modern rednecks are doing quite well for themselves. 

 

The greatest damage done by categorizing and further sub-categorizing people into political "leanings" is that it divides people and sets up a "us against them" mentality.  Would love to see political parties being banned altogether.

[Cryingdick]

I guess at the end of the day if we are going to be divisive then just pick your favorite team. If it weren't for men women would be living in caves worrying about if the paint matched the floor. 

[digibum]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The greatest damage done by categorizing and further sub-categorizing people into political "leanings" is that it divides people and sets up a "us against them" mentality.  Would love to see political parties being banned altogether.

 

I can't say I disagree.  Though, I think it's impossible.  In a democracy, strength flows through numbers.  There will always be a tendency to revert to parties as a way of solidifying political power. 

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, digibum said:

 

I can't say I disagree.  Though, I think it's impossible.  In a democracy, strength flows through numbers.  There will always be a tendency to revert to parties as a way of solidifying political power. 

 

It's not parties anymore its tribes.