GroveHillWanderer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 As usual, just taking the bare headline on its own is misleading. If you take his remarks in the context of his entire speech, he is clearly not talking about women being better than men in all things, but specifically about them being better as leaders. I did a quick Google search and the only studies I could find that look at this, seem to confirm his views. See two examples below: Quote "We find that constituencies that elect women experience significantly higher growth in economic activity through the electoral term than similar constituencies that elect men." - The International Growth Centre "According to an analysis of thousands of 360-degree reviews, women outscored men on 17 of the 19 capabilities that differentiate excellent leaders from average or poor ones." - Harvard Business Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Imagine the outcry if some ex leader had said the opposite. Or someone had said whites are better leaders than blacks; or homosexual male and females make better leaders! Sexist. But like only whites can be racist, only hetrosexual men can be sexist in the PC world that Obama lives in. As for women leaders - May, Yingluck, the imprisoned Park in Korea, Mrs Marcos, etc - not all brilliant then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: As usual, just taking the bare headline on its own is misleading. If you take his remarks in the context of his entire speech, he is clearly not talking about women being better than men in all things, but specifically about them being better as leaders. I did a quick Google search and the only studies I could find that look at this, seem to confirm his views. See two examples below: That's also another view. In what countries are women more likely to be elected? The societies women govern with in on a whole are more privileged places. I am not saying that is wrong by any means but you can't equate Saudi Arabia with women leaders from Germany or Finland. If you can find a study involving the G7 only you might be able to make a case. But you can't compare Norway to South Sudan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, digibum said: I can't say I disagree. Though, I think it's impossible. In a democracy, strength flows through numbers. There will always be a tendency to revert to parties as a way of solidifying political power. That's the sole purpose of political parties . . . to consolidate power. And those leading a given party direct the party and reap the most benefits for themselves. I call it a scam. And not impossible. Impossible only given the mass accepted mainstream ideas of today. As you said, "In a democracy, strength flows through numbers." Strength in numbers is an idea which, dare I say, is rooted in a false premise. It ignores and even tramples on the power of the individual. And that is where true power lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: That's also another view. In what countries are women more likely to be elected? [...] If you can find a study involving the G7 only you might be able to make a case. But you can't compare Norway to South Sudan. Only the first study quoted, deals with women elected to political office. The second study from the Harvard Business Review deals with women's leadership skills in general. I don't understand your second point - are you saying that because a woman is less likely to be elected leader in South Sudan, she would therefore be a worse leader than a man, or what? Also, why would only a study comparing women's leadership skills and performance in G7 countries be valid? Surely the opposite is true - the wider the parameters of the study and the more different countries it encompassed, the more valid it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Only the first study quoted, deals with women elected to political office. The second study from the Harvard Business Review deals with women's leadership skills in general. I don't understand your second point - are you saying that because a woman is less likely to be elected leader in South Sudan, she would therefore be a worse leader than a man, or what? Also, why would only a study comparing women's leadership skills and performance in G7 countries be valid? Surely the opposite is true - the wider the parameters of the study and the more different countries it encompassed, the more valid it would be. Women only lead such countries when the men that live there allow them to do so. The other countries don't have basic social rules. Compare countries where it is allowed for men and women to run equally and I doubt you will find much of a difference. Look at countries where this is not possible you will find religion. Islam in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howbri Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Nobody cares what you think after trying to destroy the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Obama Under Fire For Suggesting There Are Only Two Genders Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 16 hours ago, Berkshire said: I'd have to agree. If you look at all the scumbag dictators in the history of the world, nearly all are men. And the scumbag dictators in the modern world? All men. Obviously, not all men are evil. But the evil leaders are almost always men. Berkshire that is hardly a fair statement. Its like saying that throughout history most of the evil lumberjacks have been men. Given that throughout history the vast majority of world leaders have been men obviously most of the evil leaders have been men. It is equally true that most of the virtuous leaders have been men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 hours ago, Pravda said: It's probably true. And make-up will be the same price all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 hours ago, RideJocky said: Then why does he make $500k a speech when his wife only makes $200k? what happened to equal pay for equal work? Because he was POTUS. She was FLOTUS. POTUS WORTH 2.5 times more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 he only forgot to add 'white' when he was defining the villains of the world, spose its alzheimer setting in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventenio Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Tiger Woods said repeatedly how much he respects women. He was very pro-women.....really said the best things!!! Then the 300 hookers happened and the golf club, divorce, etc.... words, actions...... ah, got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, digibum said: There are good men and bad men. There are good women and bad women. I've noticed throughout my life that women tend to go for "bad boys", rather than the good guys. You know the saying "good guys get washed away". I did some research and it all comes down to genes. Women want to mate with the alpha male to produce genetically strong children,but they then look for a "good" male that will raise the child safely. See lots of that in Thailand where Thai women have children with rat bags that abandon them, and then hook a "rich" farang to bring up the child. The women may not even realize what they are doing as it's imprinted in their genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeePeeMai Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I've noticed throughout my life that women tend to go for "bad boys", rather than the good guys. You know the saying "good guys get washed away". True and it is also true that if you "treat them like sh** they will love you forever". Treat them like gold and they will get bored real quick and just move on. Don't get me wrong, I am not condoning beating them or treating them in this manner, this is just my overall observation over several decades working as a police officer and a firefighter/EMT. How many women have we have seen who were beat, physically and emotionally abused, treated worse than a rabid soi dog and the women just never leave the abuser (for more than a few hours or days). They always seem to come back to these guys and if you ask them why they will tell you that "he really is a good man, he just has a bad temper but I still love him". Some of these women end up dead eventually (sad) but they seem to be beyond help and will listen to no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 This fatuous pronunciation by St Barack is not exactly a vote of confidence for his corrupt former running-mate, Joseph Biden, who (alas) happens to be both old, male and white. Sorry, Joe, you'd better resign in favour of ...erm...Warren? Klobs? Harris-put-em-in-prison? or (please let this be a joke) the fat lady of Arkansas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 hours ago, Yinn said: That why you should vote for younger woman. will be better for your life. Vote Yinnluck to be the next Prime Minister ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 hours ago, sirineou said: Historically, man have stopped women from running the world. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoholic Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 he is a representative of a political party that believes all a man has to do is identify as a woman and he's a woman... so his statement is as meaningless as he is insignificant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestyle Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 ... to have sex with. He also added this, but the media cut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, Catoholic said: he is a representative of a political party that believes all a man has to do is identify as a woman and he's a woman... so his statement is as meaningless as he is insignificant. He has a lot more influence than an anonymous TVF poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyboy2018 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 This absurd incorrect generalization by Obama has no foundation in truth and is just self hating nonsense as is the idea that white people are superior to black people. He should be ashamed of himself, especially as this is an attack on young men and boys who already contend with far more difficulties in life than women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, stevenl said: He has a lot more influence than an anonymous TVF poster. Yet he has even less accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, mogandave said: Yet he has even less accountability. After this last pearl of wisdom, has the same credibility as a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 He's a good looking bloke he shouldn't pander to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 hours ago, mogandave said: How? in a word, man spreading, and scientists has also been able to establish a link to climate change to this arrogant display of power, of which electric power is but one aspect, (that needs to be neutered asap) SOCIOLOGY | RESEARCH ARTICLEThe conceptual penis as a social constructJamie Lindsay1* and Peter Boyle1 Abstract: Anatomical penises may exist, but as pre-operative transgendered women also have anatomical penises, the penis vis-à-vis maleness is an incoherent con-struct. We argue that the conceptual penis is better understood not as an anatomi-cal organ but as a social construct isomorphic to performative toxic masculinity. Through detailed poststructuralist discursive criticism and the example of climate change, this paper will challenge the prevailing and damaging social trope that penises are best understood as the male sexual organ and reassign it a more fitting role as a type of masculine performance.Subjects: Gender Studies - Soc Sci; Postmodernism of Cultural Theory; FeminismKeywords: penis; feminism; machismo braggadocio; masculinity; climate change 2.2. Climate change and the conceptual penisNowhere are the consequences of hypermasculine machismo braggadocio isomorphic identification with the conceptual penis more problematic than concerning the issue of climate change. Climate change is driven by nothing more than it is by certain damaging themes in hypermasculinity that can be best understood via the dominant rapacious approach to climate ecology identifiable with the con-ceptual penis. Our planet is rapidly approaching the much-warned-about 2°C climate change thresh-old, and due to patriarchal power dynamics that maintain present capitalist structures, especially with regard to the fossil fuel industry, the connection between hypermasculine dominance of scientific, political, and economic discourses and the irreparable damage to our ecosystem is made clear https://www.skeptic.com/downloads/conceptual-penis/23311886.2017.1330439.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 20 hours ago, Credo said: I am in agreement with Obama on this one. It's not 100%, but as a general rule, women have some positive attributes that make them better. They are usually more compassionate. You must be kidding...they are not all Anne Frank or Florence Nightingale, you know. Have you read up on what kind of women we have in power these days. Look at the Burmese woman....absolute disaster. And dont get me started on that fraud Barry O....obviously he never thought that way when he was running in the primary against Hillary. Shut it Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said: You must be kidding...they are not all Anne Frank or Florence Nightingale, you know. Have you read up on what kind of women we have in power these days. Look at the Burmese woman....absolute disaster. And dont get me started on that fraud Barry O....obviously he never thought that way when he was running in the primary against Hillary. Shut it Barry. Your sexist baiting is not worthy of a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Credo said: Your sexist baiting is not worthy of a response. And yet here you are. With nothing to say. What pre disposes women to be better at certain tasks than men or vice versa? It's centuries of conditioning, physical strength, the role they used to play in the tribe etc. These roles are now changing and that's good. Women are free to compete for jobs that men usually did and why not? But to issue a blanket statement saying they are better is dishonest, pandering BS. I have dealt with some high powered who were the total antithesis of grace, compassion and temperament. No better than their male counterparts...but usually smelling slightly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Cryingdick said: That's also another view. In what countries are women more likely to be elected? The societies women govern with in on a whole are more privileged places. I am not saying that is wrong by any means but you can't equate Saudi Arabia with women leaders from Germany or Finland. If you can find a study involving the G7 only you might be able to make a case. But you can't compare Norway to South Sudan. Indira Gandhi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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