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"We need our plastic bags!": After a brief honeymoon Thais strike back at bag ban

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38 minutes ago, Letseng said:

They sold coconut milk before plastic bags were invented. What container did they use then? Customers brought their own container. What's wrong with bringing your own?

 

no, lets not look at pre-industrial solutions heere,

what is needed is fully de-composable bags,

able to hold hot soup for 24 hours,

sold or given at the counter

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23 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"We need our plastic bags!": After a brief honeymoon Thais strike back at bag ban

The Thai mentality kicks in as usual... we want our plastic life style & we want to die on the roads every day!!

Evolution is not in the Thai language.

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Most countries have powerful lobbyists and they fight this for 100-years, while saying they will save the environment and the plastic companies are following all the proper protocols.   The world would burn for 1000-years if it meant the richest 100 people on Earth made more money.  

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10 hours ago, Chassa said:

Usually shop at Makro, just push the cart to the car and unload!

 

You have noticed that the vast majority of vehicles on Thai road have 2 wheels and no trunk?  And that most Thais shop for today's meals at small markets as opposed to a weekly excursion to a Makro?

 

Solutions that work for the minority of the people fail miserably for the rest.

 

I'd also point out that banning plastic bags does nothing for Thailand's (and all of SEA's)  bigger problem, which is solid waste management.  Usually, after a trip to the grocery store, I used half of the "single use" plastic bags just to bin all the hard plastic blisters, plastic jars, and other wrappings.  Not to mention throwing away more plastic when the buckets, brushes, lawn chairs and other implements failed because they were so cheaply made.  That waste far outweighed the few grams of plastic bags I binned each week. 

 

So even if they banned plastic bags, the plastic problem remains.

 

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On 1/4/2020 at 3:27 PM, CGW said:

for the average Thai, they can't make this comparison as all they have ever known is plastics!

So what did they do in the 1930's, before the invention of plastic ?  I am sure they still got their daily bowl of rice and noodles.  


This picture from Bangkok before WW2. 
 

Bangkok Market, 1930s

 

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On 1/4/2020 at 8:23 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

As far as I know modern plastic bags are biodegradable. 

Obviously in Thailand, and not only in Thailand, people use too many plastic bags and often one plastic bag in another plastic bag.

How about reducing how many plastic bags are used?

Maybe charge 5 or 10B per bag. I am sure that will reduce the usage significantly but if necessary people can still get a bag when they need one. 

biodegradable lor  LOL

DYOR

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/10/stark-truth-long-plastic-footprint-will-last-planet/

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The big stores and franchises have 'banned' single use plastic bags at The checkout.

The guy that gets his pork from the market is unaffected, as are we who buy wet fish or meat from the big stores, Even the big stores realise they have to continue to put such items in a plastic bag.

For goodness sake. A little common sense in reporting, rather than asking idiots.

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The excessive plastic stuff has to stop, unless they have a way to recycle it properly.  I lived in Thailand in the era when there wasn't much plastic.  Glass bottles, banana leaf wraps, little paper sacks hand-made from old newspapers, etc. 

 

Thai "YAM" shoulder bags were common.  Kids carried their books to school in them. This sort of thing:

 

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4 hours ago, balo said:

So what did they do in the 1930's, before the invention of plastic ?  I am sure they still got their daily bowl of rice and noodles.  

Average age of Thai person is now 40.1 years, I am sure back in the thirties they did indeed get their bowl of rice with little variation as plastic packaging wasn't used, neither was mass transportation?

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20 hours ago, sirineou said:

Don't get me wrong I am a strong proponent of the elimination of plastic bags, and because I am such I an also a believer for the existence of a pragmatic system. for their elimination.

Here in Khon Kaen , we go to the morning Market almost every day , Do you go to these markets? It is full of subsistence vendors, displaying and distributing their food products in clear plastic bags . You can't realistically expect them to to spend money they don't have and develop a different system.

 

 

Ho-hum, here we go again, more disinformation......once again, this ban does NOT apply to your morning market. It does NOT apply to street vendors. It does NOT apply to wet foods. It does NOT apply to fresh meat.

It DOES apply to members of the Thai retailers Association, ie CP, Central Group,Tesco, Big C, The Mall group, etc etc. for other goods.

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I foresee a big uptick in the theft of supermarket baskets and trolleys, I'm seeing trolleys all over the place now. I guess something's going to have to change before long.

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15 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

I lived in Thailand in the era when there wasn't much plastic.  Glass bottles, banana leaf wraps, little paper sacks hand-made from old newspapers, etc. 

 

Thai "YAM" shoulder bags were common.  Kids carried their books to school in them. This sort of thing:

Yes, good examples and this was probably back in the 1960's and 70's. Plenty of alternatives to plastic.  

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On 1/4/2020 at 8:23 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

As far as I know modern plastic bags are biodegradable. 

Obviously in Thailand, and not only in Thailand, people use too many plastic bags and often one plastic bag in another plastic bag.

How about reducing how many plastic bags are used?

Maybe charge 5 or 10B per bag. I am sure that will reduce the usage significantly but if necessary people can still get a bag when they need one. 

That (biodegradable) is misleading. They still take years to break down and require special conditions that are not really normal environmental conditions. High temperature is one.

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