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On 1/6/2020 at 6:20 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps you do not know the real reason why Bangkok is in danger. The city is sinking, not the oceans rising.

Exactly! 

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Usual misinformation here .....

 

First, sea level is rising, yes about 1.6 mm per year average last century, but has been speeding up and now 3 mm per year. What it does mean is that your sea front home is probably safe for this century if it is one metre or more above the high tide mark ... as long as non-sea level rise effects don't get you!

 

Be more worried about likelihood of storm surges and tsunamis. Tectonics also need to be considered. Some land is sinking (typically river deltas, with large alluvial deposits, like New Orleans. Bangkok) some rising (like Scotland due to isostatic response to the end of the last iceage). Areas on the edges of tectonic plates also tend to be either pushed down or pushed up. New Zealand is one such area, which is why it has volcanoes and earthquakes - the big Christchurch earthquake raised the seashore by up to one metre, offsetting a few hundred years of sea level rise. Because New Zealand is tectonically active, sea level changes there are more likely due to tectonics than climate.

 

People forget that sea levels changes are only relevant to climate change when looked at globally - it is an AVERAGE.

Meanwhile we have a few nutters who think the sun goes Nova every 12,000 years - if it did the earth wouldn't even exist .....

 

Oh, and someone said volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans - totally wrong - 

 

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According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world's volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide.

Thaivisa - the home of fake news ..... i hate it when facts are totally wrong, or misrepresented.

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I think we've gone past the point of no return with this climate change stuff. I think the world is doomed and don't let it bother me.

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7 hours ago, fruitman said:

Because it came from Chiang mai, was easy to see on satellite images....

...unprecedented heavy rains ..it all came down the Chao Phraya river system.. and when it got to Bangkok it overflowed the banks of the river because of sea level rise, storm surge and king tide..  

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On 1/8/2020 at 6:05 AM, habuspasha said:

For an answer to the question “If sea-level rise is only 2–3 millimetres per year, then why worry? see https://niwa.co.nz/natural-hazards/hazards/sea-levels-and-sea-level-rise.

Thanks for the link. Far as I can see it's all sometime in the future and if we don't start to do something now we deserve to drown anyway. Being NZ I doubt anything will happen. No major project seems to be done as there is always someone that thinks it's a bad idea, like building hydro dams. They've been talking about another bridge in Auckland for decades and no closer to happening now than 30 years ago.

This can be enough, in combination with a severe storm-tide event, to cause seawater inundation of low-lying coastal margins, as occurred in parts of Auckland in 2011 and 2014.

If a rising tide drowned that entire city, most NZers would cheer, IMO. <deleted> JAFAs.

 

Water mass is added to the oceans from melting or break-up of land-based ice stores such as glaciers and polar ice sheets (particularly Greenland and West Antarctica).

What none of those clowns scientists ever mention is that if global temperatures rise, it will start to snow in Antarctica, which could very well balance out any land ice lost. I doubt any have done studies on that as it would detract from the "global warming is going kill us all" theory that makes them wealthy.

Of course, all the sea ice could be lost from Antarctica, Greenland and the Arctic without raising sea level at all.

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7 hours ago, rickudon said:

Oh, and someone said volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans - totally wrong - 

What about if there was another Krakatoa? That'd put a bit more pollution into the atmosphere than usual.

How about all the forest fires in Sth America, Africa, Australia and SEA?

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13 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Climate change or weather change? 

I have seen climate change in NZ since the 70s. The snow level on the southern alps rose so much that the ski field I used had to remove the lower tows as not enough snow, and a lake used every winter for skating does not freeze any more.

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13 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Maybe STOP frikken building on flood plains and on the very edge of the oceans for a start.

But no. We are smart enough to calculate a thousand variables that can affect climate change but too stupid to figure out that we shouldn't build skyscrapers on river deltas at the edge of an ocean.

Good post. Nice to hear some sense for a change.

Anyone thinks we are smart enough to actually do something sensible like the above doesn't realise how dumb humans are. If we were actually clever we wouldn't be destroying our environment, polluting the oceans and breeding ourselves into extinction.

 

PS we wouldn't be spending uncountable trillions of treasure finding better ways to kill each other, and would be spending the money on how to make everyone's lives better.

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14 hours ago, ianezy0 said:

That is interesting. I lived in Paraparaumu and worked in Wellington for 3 years and didn’t realise the South Island was not volcanic. Very beautiful though, as is the North. Plenty of shakes in Wellington and Paraparaumu though 🌋 

Note age of last eruption.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_New_Zealand

       
   

South Island

Name Elevation Location Last eruption
meters feet Coordinates
Akaroa Volcano - - 17px-WMA_button2b.png43°48′S 172°57′E Miocene
Lyttelton Volcano 919 3010 17px-WMA_button2b.png43°36′S 172°43′E Miocene
Mount Horrible (near Timaru) - - 17px-WMA_button2b.png44°23′S 171°3′E 2 million years ago [5]
Dunedin Volcano 680 2218 17px-WMA_button2b.png45°49′S 170°39′E c. 10 million years ago [6]
         
         
         
       

 

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11 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Well hell, you were an old geezer when they first started building Western style Condos here, obviously you arent buying, bet you never thought you'd make it this far.

 

I just read an article which postulates that climate change will make Oz  uninhabitable.

Yeah, we'll probably all have to evacuate to New Zealand, which would be ironic. On the bright side, at least their cricket team would become competitive.

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6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

On the bright side, at least their cricket team would become competitive.

And you guys could root for a good rugby team.

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On 1/6/2020 at 2:52 PM, ivor bigun said:

I was born at the seaside ,when i was a lad ,always remember standing on the rocks ,you could see some walls at low tide ,my grandad told me there used to be houses there ,but the sea had covered them , that was long before his time ,must have had global warming then ,but they never taxed it so they were lucky .

Well if they taxed it those houses may still be above water.

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7 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

And you guys could root for a good rugby team.

Possibly, although it seems to be played by guys with thick necks. We'd bring Aussie Rules with us, thereby enriching the Kiwi culture.

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Note age of last eruption.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_New_Zealand

       
   

South Island

Name Elevation Location Last eruption
meters feet Coordinates
Akaroa Volcano - - 17px-WMA_button2b.png43°48′S 172°57′E Miocene
Lyttelton Volcano 919 3010 17px-WMA_button2b.png43°36′S 172°43′E Miocene
Mount Horrible (near Timaru) - - 17px-WMA_button2b.png44°23′S 171°3′E 2 million years ago [5]
Dunedin Volcano 680 2218 17px-WMA_button2b.png45°49′S 170°39′E c. 10 million years ago [6]
         
         
         
       

 

Er - seems to me there was a White Island eruption recently.

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15 hours ago, allanos said:

No, you have not seen climate change! Twenty years is a far too small time period to observe it. It needs thousands of years at the very least. What you have witnessed is a changing weather pattern, perhaps, which has nothing whatsoever to do with climate change.

All the climate scientists of TVF are out to explain what I see, and what I don't see!

 

The weather changes, but not the climate, that's a new one...

 

So now, according to our in house scientists, climate and weather are two separate things, with no connection between each other...one can change while the other remains the same!

 

And in order to be sure that the climate changes, I would have to remain another million years on Earth...how convenient!

 

In other words, for lack of sufficient time, the existence of actual climate change can never be proven!

 

Meanwhile, let's drill drill drill...

 

Maybe, instead of wasting their time providing information on a free forum, our in house scientists could sell their expertise to the fossil fuel industry who, after years of denial, has come to admit the existence of manmade climate change...they pay very well and would be too happy to save loads of money thanks to some knowledgeable TVF members...think about it...

 

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