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2020: Crackdown on tourists working without work permits - 50K fines and deportation awaits


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14 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Just how far do you want to take this online worker argument?  Many tourists who come to Thailand probably check their company email once in awhile and perhaps reply to some of it.  Maybe make a phone call or two.  That could easily be considered online work.  Where do you draw the line? What are they going to do?  Start deporting tourists for checking email?

Of course they fall foul of the letter of the law.. You can get a 15 day work permit exemption for this kind of thing (no one would bother) but it does show that its covered in law and isnt something thats high on the priority, or easy or possible to catch. Thailand is also a poor country, highly dependant on tourism so is probably rightfully scared of negative publicity, something digital resident tax evaders exploit causing legitimate folks ever increasing scrutiny and problems. 

The issue isnt really the 10 day package tourist with a work call.. Its the ones applying for visas and signing declarations for work prohibited visit classes, knowing they are lying on the application.. Its the ones who live here year in year out and never pay tax.. Its the ones who know the rules, but make a conscious choice to break those laws, not engage in knowledge transfer, not take on Thai staff, and cheat the process because 'i cant be bothered' while lamenting 'if only there was a way' (plot twist.. there is.. multiple ways).. Its these guys who now are facing ever decreasing visa options and who have caused huge headaches for genuine students, genuine short stay visitors, genuine frequent visitors.. Thailand knows what is happening but in fear of thier tourist market, they have to work around the edges, all the airport interrogations, all the denial of entries, all the closing of ED options etc etc all points to this. 

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As a happy digital professional, working remotely from TH for a few months every year*, I say: come get me!   It really would be a fun experience, something to write about in a few years, pl

Dont get caught cleaning your windows

I'm amazed that this would be a big deal, as i wouldn't suspect too many foreigners on tourist visa's working in Thailand .....  maybe a few but certainly not a hundred or even 30 .....   ? 

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On 1/6/2020 at 9:58 AM, holy cow cm said:

Oh My - Another crack down? How many evil begpackers will they get this time? And don't play your guitar out in public or on the beach and have people listen. Oh NO-don't do that!

Having heard a few of them I'd agree.

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On 1/6/2020 at 3:17 PM, jimn said:

If they want to catch people just arrest all those Russian hello girls outside the Russian bars and gogo's on Walking Street. And the Russian dancers inside. I doubt if they have even got visa's let alone a work permit. It makes a mockery of the whole thing. No one touches them though, I wonder why?

I suspect that these Russian dancers get away with working illegally precisely because someone DOES touch them.

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7 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

We can list online language teachers, online language schools, online gambling groups, online porn filmers, online whatsup signers.. All of whom were arrested, charged and deported or jailed, with one of the charges being 'working without a work permit'. 

You are still here LivinLOS? 

So can you find one case where someone sending work e-mails from coffee shops been arrested?  No you can't.  Or from internet working spaces in Thailand.  Not one case and we are more than 100 000 doing it.  Our salaries got nothing to do with Thailand.
Remote freelancers will come and go and Thailand do not care. 
I know it irritates you and always will , but nothing will happen to us. 

  

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1 hour ago, balo said:

You are still here LivinLOS? 

So can you find one case where someone sending work e-mails from coffee shops been arrested?  No you can't.  Or from internet working spaces in Thailand.  Not one case and we are more than 100 000 doing it.  Our salaries got nothing to do with Thailand.
Remote freelancers will come and go and Thailand do not care. 
I know it irritates you and always will , but nothing will happen to us. 

  

True. Until they decide to bring in a new law.

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38 minutes ago, overherebc said:

True. Until they decide to bring in a new law.

Laws won't help because there's no enforcement. They way they'll do it is with immigration, simply make it nigh impossible to stay longer than 2 weeks. Sorted.

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3 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Laws won't help because there's no enforcement. They way they'll do it is with immigration, simply make it nigh impossible to stay longer than 2 weeks. Sorted.

Rubbish. 4 weeks. 😆😆😆

With requirement to spend 15,000 baht a day, unless you're chinese.

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On 1/6/2020 at 4:36 PM, LivinLOS said:

Have you even read it all?

 

The Australian teacher had been living in Thailand for three years, two of those on a tourist visa."

 

   That alone says it all. 

 

     

 

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On 1/5/2020 at 6:16 PM, mariohh1 said:

maybe out in the sticks but here on koh phangan are at least 100

 

 

Many of the Full Moon Party idiots and the NEW Hippy Dippy Fake Wannabes tend to be the types believing they can work to make a few bucks or free meals. Would not break my heart to see this bunch gone from Thailand.

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The whole thing is a large distraction from the real problems of 2020, terrible economy, job losses and very few positives for employment, Brazilian models taking thai models jobs seems to be in the news every year, there will be a few unlucky people being arrested with a media show, just to keep this shakedown going through the year, while most people will be struggling, just more racist nonsense from this illegal gang

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13 hours ago, KhunKenAP said:

Do all the Russian girls in the bars on Walking Street have Work Permits? If so what is stated as their job? Talk about taking jobs from the Thai girls. lol

 

Years ago, when I first came to Thailand, a well connected friend told me they come in on a weekly flight, stay a maximum of 4 weeks to eliminate visa issues and rotate 1/4 of them out every week.  Earlier if they cause any problems.  He also told me all bets are off when it comes to some of the protected establishments, owned at least in part by the very guys who would enforce any WP rules.  That was pre-2014, when living in LOS long term was a lot simpler.  Obviously, I can't confirm.  But I had no reason to doubt it.

 

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On 1/6/2020 at 8:55 AM, steven100 said:

I'm amazed that this would be a big deal, as i wouldn't suspect too many foreigners on tourist visa's working in Thailand .....  maybe a few but certainly not a hundred or even 30 .....   ? 

not a 100...?

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/over-1800-illegal-foreign-workers-arrested-in-thailand

make another guess!!

this is just what they caught then...the real number must be 100x

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2 hours ago, tingtong said:

not a 100...?

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/over-1800-illegal-foreign-workers-arrested-in-thailand

make another guess!!

this is just what they caught then...the real number must be 100x

Not clear from this article how many of the 1800 were here on tourist visas, simply that they were illegal foreign workers. Many could have slipped across the border from neighboring countries (as they do).  In any case, It's difficult to see why a country with 1.1% unemployment--practically full employment--is so concerned about illegal workers.  Foreign workers are clearly not taking jobs that Thais want.  And "working at massage parlours, hairdressing, carpentry, and working as motorbike taxi drivers or security guards": do you honestly think those are jobs Western tourists want?  A larger and more competitive labour force would probably do more good than harm to the Thai economy. In short, there seems to little motivating this crackdown outside of knee-jerk xenophobia.
 

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