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2020: Crackdown on tourists working without work permits - 50K fines and deportation awaits


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10 hours ago, balo said:

You used that comment before on me, when we discussed this a year ago,  and I will give you the same answer again . 

My business is in Europe, in Norway, and I pay my taxes there. My salary is there, my bank account is there.  If I need money in Thailand I will use my foreign ATM card or make a transfer. 

I live in Europe part of the year, but I also live in Thailand on a 1 year visa, based on retirement. I am semi retired, even if I am in Thailand I can still maintain my business in Norway, I can still answer e-mails and have Skype conversations . Like so many others. 

Would I be willing to take part in an "experiment " to see if the labor dep and immigration approve on my activities?  Since this is Thailand and "anything" can happen I would not risk it. But I would feel confident nothing bad would happen to me.

Because I do not earn my money in Thailand, simple as that. 

 

So the answer is no.. You not confident in your claims. 

 

You earn your money where you physically are when the work is performed.. If no work is performed and it is passive income, royalties etc, then your not working. If you perform actions, mental or physical, while in Thailand, that is work done here and you absolutely know the labour dept will again confirm this. 

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As a happy digital professional, working remotely from TH for a few months every year*, I say: come get me!   It really would be a fun experience, something to write about in a few years, pl

Dont get caught cleaning your windows

I'm amazed that this would be a big deal, as i wouldn't suspect too many foreigners on tourist visa's working in Thailand .....  maybe a few but certainly not a hundred or even 30 .....   ? 

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9 hours ago, DrTuner said:

It wouldn't be the immigration, it would be the Revenue Department hunting you down. Pensions are often mentioned in the double taxation treatments and taxed at the source, which is all legit. In case of investments, back to gray area. Is it an investment that requires active involvement (which could be seen as work) or a passive one like owning a part of a company. Again, clear as mud and up to the whims of Thai officials.

Actually it would be the labour dept and the employment office whose remit this would fall under. 

Secondly pensions are complex but they are not automatically taxed at source, some are, but in general for europeans most non governmental pensions are tax due. If you are tax resident in Thailand it is up the the receiver to clear thier tax residency from the source country and claim it back for there as a non resident, and pay it here. To date Thailand has shown no interest in that revenue stream but I fear that is another potential shoe to drop. It is trivial to prove for those who use the income method of pensions as they are literally signing that fact themselves each year. To Thailand its free money by only punishing non Thais. 

As to the last part yes I agree a freelancer visa and tax solution could be designed as a win win, however when you listen to what online working folks expect (the entire package to be less than 1k usd annually tax included for an infinite amount of earnings) its often entirely unrealistic. You could also argue by allowing BOI solutions to this they are tacitly saying this is what they can achieve, but again folks scoff at the idea of actually paying corporate costs and taxes when then offer is costed and presented to them. 

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4 hours ago, balo said:

Of course it is , I have no intentions to work for a Thai company or anything related to Thailand.

Fine answer but totally irrelevant... 

 

That isnt that standard, as you well know.. 

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12 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

You earn your money where you physically are when the work is performed..

You did not understand anything ;
Balo earns his living with the company he has in Norway.

In addition, it is not Balo who earns money but his company which is in Norway.
and it is his company which is in Norway which gives him a salary;
this is paid into his bank account in Norway;
then he uses his CB to withdraw money from an ATM in Thailand or in the country where he is ..
That's it, do you understand?
If he uses the internet it is only to save time because the Post Office or the smoke signals work slower.:whistling:
That's all .
if he is in the USA when a client of his company needs him, he answers him, that does not mean that he works in the USA;
ditto with Thailand or North Korea.

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5 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

The law is where you physically are at the time the work is performed (thats called a physical presence test)

It's ridiculous ; 

but nothing can surprise me from army who illegally seized power in a country ...

In that case they can fire all foreigners who live in Thailand and who receive money from a rental in their country of origin or their retirement paid obviously from a country other than Thailand.
It's very big anything

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Just now, Assurancetourix said:

It's ridiculous ; 

but nothing can surprise me from army who illegally seized power in a country ...

In that case they can fire all foreigners who live in Thailand and who receive money from a rental in their country of origin or their retirement paid obviously from a country other than Thailand.
It's very big anything

No.. Your clearly not really informed on the topic. Owning income producing assets is not work. 

Rental income is passive. Like royalties, commissions, dividends, or other income which is not derived from activity. These are not 'work'. Neither is investment returns, owning assets for dividend or yield, eg buying holding or selling stocks, commodities, or other financial instruments.  

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On 1/6/2020 at 9:06 AM, ChipButty said:

Dont get caught cleaning your windows

No offense intended but your comment is stupid and fear mongering. Last year I asked immigration if I can paint and clean outside our building. He said it’s ok as long as I have I’m not getting paid. Last week I told them I’m doing renos at another building. He said no problem and to call him if any issues 

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2 hours ago, Yadon Toploy said:

I think it is referring to an actual case of a foreigner arrested for doing domestic chores mate.

This fable has been doing the rounds for as long as I have lived here. Unless or until credible evidence surfaces i'll continue to treat it as 'bloke-in-a-pub' nonsense.

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5 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

The fact is enforcement of that law in Thailand is difficult and hard to prove, with risk to Thailand's PR so people confuse enforcement with legality, but that is the law. 

Indeed. The same can be said for the "freedoms" people used to go on about a decade ago. The actual laws regarding prostitution, alcohol etc are pretty strict, but lack of enforcement led people to believe it really is up to you. Now that Thais are enforcing some of it, same people scream bloody murder. 

 

I'd prefer 100% strict enforcement of everything. Then, when it's obvious the laws are far too strict, change them. Not enforce whatever you happen to fancy in whichever way you happen to fancy.

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42 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I agree. Total rubbish. As said before I find particularly immigration here extremely tolerant and reasonable. I actually think you would have to do something particularly extreme to have a problem. For eg the guy working with his wife cooking bbq chicken....he was wanted by interpol for particularly serious crimes. His arrest had nothing to do with BBQ chicken

You're so right. His arrest occurred because a Thai posted a video/photos of him "helping" his poor Isaan wife to sell BBQ chicken.

 

  Nothing wrong if they catch a criminal, while I disagree that an older foreigner who's spent his life savings here is called a criminal when on a 20 day overstay.

 

I've seen posts here where individual members seem to be holier than the Pope himself. 

 

And I'm confident that some of these holy members have called the particular number to get somebody arrested, just because he had a better life. 


When will foreigners living in LOS finally understand that we're all sitting in the same boat?

 

  

 

 

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15 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

When will foreigners living in LOS finally understand that we're all sitting in the same boat?

The self styled "good" falangs don't get it. They think the The way they perceive themselves is the way the Thai's perceive them.

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23 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

When will foreigners living in LOS finally understand that we're all sitting in the same boat?

Hell no, I ain't getting into the hoi polloi boat, I paid good cash for my elite thingydoo and my <deleted> is golden. 

 

Just because somebody is non-Thai does not make them blood brothers. I for one have very little in common with Indians, Chinese or even the Russians. 

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