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On 1/11/2020 at 12:06 PM, evadgib said:

This fable has been doing the rounds for as long as I have lived here. Unless or until credible evidence surfaces i'll continue to treat it as 'bloke-in-a-pub' nonsense.

Knowing Thailand as well as I do, I reckon it has happened at least once in my 30 years here.

 

There's a guy on here that claims his Thai neighbour reports him for absolutely everything as there's so much jealousy and hate from them.

 

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

As to the immigration being tolerant comment, they certainly used to be, when they were getting tea money for everything. With biometrics, rising nationalism coupled with xenophobia, and this military government, that is simply not the case any more.

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As a happy digital professional, working remotely from TH for a few months every year*, I say: come get me!   It really would be a fun experience, something to write about in a few years, pl

Dont get caught cleaning your windows

I'm amazed that this would be a big deal, as i wouldn't suspect too many foreigners on tourist visa's working in Thailand .....  maybe a few but certainly not a hundred or even 30 .....   ? 

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34 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

Knowing Thailand as well as I do, I reckon it has happened at least once in my 30 years here.

 

There's a guy on here that claims his Thai neighbour reports him for absolutely everything as there's so much jealousy and hate from them.

 

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

As to the immigration being tolerant comment, they certainly used to be, when they were getting tea money for everything. With biometrics, rising nationalism coupled with xenophobia, and this military government, that is simply not the case any more.

Have they really changed their attitude or is it our perception of things (and frustration at recent changes) that has changed? Has there been an increase in deportations and arrests? Most of us are probably feeling insecure due to all of the rubbish and scaremongering you read on here. No one ever has any real facts or instances. I always feel terrified when I go to Immigration for no good reason and have never had anything but good experiences, courtesy and efficiency from them. Always feel relieved after like.... going to the dentist. Never as bad as you thought.

 

I have been here for 6 years but only have experience with one IO which is generally known to be one of the nest here. I guess a lot would depend on the culture of your particular IO. Why would the tea money have decreased? Business as usual if not more so with more people paying the 20k rather that do not have the funds and can no longer obtain embassy letters.

 

We are not the only immigrants here and I am sure we would be the least of their worries as long as you keep your nose reasonably clean. I reckon if they really wanted to target western retirees or visitors you would know about it.

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On 1/11/2020 at 5:35 AM, Kenny202 said:

I agree. Total rubbish. As said before I find particularly immigration here extremely tolerant and reasonable. I actually think you would have to do something particularly extreme to have a problem. For eg the guy working with his wife cooking bbq chicken....he was wanted by interpol for particularly serious crimes. His arrest had nothing to do with BBQ chicken

Painting a house on Phuket.. Building a boat on Phuket.. 

 

Yes total shakedowns, but those abuses of power did happen. Personally I put that down to corruption not the intention of the law, but to deny that it happened is also false.. 

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12 hours ago, mokwit said:

The self styled "good" falangs don't get it. They think the The way they perceive themselves is the way the Thai's perceive them.

Its not about what boat we are in.. Its also not about 'good' or 'bad' its about having an accurate understanding of the law, not spreading bad information or lies, so people can make informed choices about which laws they wish to stick to and which they wish to break. 

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3 hours ago, Kenny202 said:

Have they really changed their attitude or is it our perception of things (and frustration at recent changes) that has changed?

Yes it has changed.. Even your statement acknowledges it has.. 

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On 1/11/2020 at 9:22 AM, bbabythai said:

No offense intended but your comment is stupid and fear mongering. Last year I asked immigration if I can paint and clean outside our building. He said it’s ok as long as I have I’m not getting paid. Last week I told them I’m doing renos at another building. He said no problem and to call him if any issues 

The fact that you even have to ask shows the seriousness of the situation and your fear.

 

 

 

 

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On 1/10/2020 at 12:13 PM, DrTuner said:

The perpetual "nomads" very likely do not have a work permit nor do they pay Thai income taxes.

What an easy problem that would be to solve. Create a visa that reflects 2020 and they can turn Thailand into a true hub for many digital businesses and collect taxes. Instead of everyone not paying taxes and eventually leaving due to difficult visas.

 

But these xenophobic dinosaurs can’t think beyond lunch so it’s not going to happen. Thailand is falling behind the rest of the world and will continue to do so for a reason. 

 

Thailand and all its ignorance deserves to fail. 

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1 hour ago, dcnx said:

The fact that you even have to ask shows the seriousness of the situation and your fear.

 

 

 

 

He probably questioned them after all the <deleted> he read on here

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51 minutes ago, dcnx said:

What an easy problem that would be to solve. Create a visa that reflects 2020 and they can turn Thailand into a true hub for many digital businesses and collect taxes. Instead of everyone not paying taxes and eventually leaving due to difficult visas.

There's another aspect that doesn't go down well with the usurpers. Those nomads would very likely start creating startups with western ideals, which would quickly blossom to all out tech hubs. Can't have such splinter cells destroying the Thai culture and giving them strange ideas about democracy now can we.

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On 1/10/2020 at 1:58 AM, LivinLOS said:

Its simple.. Thailand has a huge part of its economy driven by tourism.. Direct foreign exchange.. Secondly it is a excessively large exporter, car parts, fish products, agri products (chicken, shrimp etc) etc etc etc.. Again direct foreign exchange. This is happening at a far higher ratio in relation to domestic consumption than in other more resilient economies. 

That foreign exchange means Thailand is running a massive current account surplus, and is sitting on huge non THB currency reserves. This in turn is making Thailand seem a safe haven in the region to park funds. 

 

If they sell those reserves for THB, they drive the THB up.. Not down. 

 

If they operate more invisible solutions (forward currency swaps, etc etc) they risk being labelled a currency manipulator by the USA and having financial sanctions applied. 

 

All these are very simple direct cause and effect basic economics 101 that anyone with an ounce of sense and observational skill should be able to see an understand.. Not Soros lizard people making us all poor levels of stupidity perhaps, but still.. 

Top post fella.  I'm perpetually staggered by the amount of people who live in Thailand but have not the slightest knowledge of foreign exchange and how its calculated

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25 minutes ago, Chivas said:

Top post fella.  I'm perpetually staggered by the amount of people who live in Thailand but have not the slightest knowledge of foreign exchange and how its calculated

Well it's determined by duking it out in the markets. Forex has nasty aspects to it, like dark liquidity pools. Hard to follow where it's all flowing to.

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2 hours ago, Rhys said:

Immigration offices are luck of the draw... 

Exactly this. And what is OK today might not be OK tomorrow or next week or in the next city or even OK with another officer. 
 

When the rules are open to interpretation, anything is possible and everyone is fair game.

 

Somchai makes the rules as he sees fit when he sees fit. 

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19 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

People have been living here for years on tourist visas

People have been working without a work permit and the proper visa

People have been bribing immigration through and agent to get a visa

People have been lying to their embassy about their income to get a visa.

 

These people blame everybody but themselves for their situation.

 

Immigration is slowly getting rid of these people, well done.

Some people really don't know reality. I just know about another case. A foreign teacher denied the Non-B visa, because. the IO said must first have the Work permit. Never heard of B..S... same this. The proper process is to get with all the documents to the OI, then get a Non-B, and with the Non - B visa apply for the Work permit. 

That proves, that many government offials do not understand and do their job properly. 

The only thing theyare really good in, is to blame always the foreigners. 

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