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2020: Crackdown on tourists working without work permits - 50K fines and deportation awaits


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Not wondering anymore, why the kids can not speak any basic English. Because they make it to difficult to get real English teacher their Visa and Work permit. But all the Thai teachers, who aren't able to speak English are permitted to teach English.

 

English is a keypoint of international conversation and therefore for business. So, it it be more supported.

 

Or..... the economz will even break down more.

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As a happy digital professional, working remotely from TH for a few months every year*, I say: come get me!   It really would be a fun experience, something to write about in a few years, pl

Dont get caught cleaning your windows

I'm amazed that this would be a big deal, as i wouldn't suspect too many foreigners on tourist visa's working in Thailand .....  maybe a few but certainly not a hundred or even 30 .....   ? 

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How about cracking down on Thai employers especially state run schools Thai Directors, Head teachers etc.. who openly break the law by placing many foreign employees at risk.

 

Too much extorion plus poor workers rights need to be addressed.

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On 1/13/2020 at 10:52 AM, SuwadeeS said:

Not wondering anymore, why the kids can not speak any basic English. Because they make it to difficult to get real English teacher their Visa and Work permit. But all the Thai teachers, who aren't able to speak English are permitted to teach English.

 

English is a keypoint of international conversation and therefore for business. So, it it be more supported.

 

Or..... the economz will even break down more.

I have 3 great Thai friends who are English teachers. I often struggle to understand their English. I certainly should not complain as my Thai is near zero and I am grateful they can communicate much more than me.

But to be an English teacher should be regulated and held to a higher standard.

I have seen English teaching classrooms. They mostly are all about grammar and rules, not conversations or written communications. It is easier for them to cope on a whiteboard when children can stay bewildered learning nothing very useful.

I repeat that I do not want to be hard on any Thai's English as I am ashamed that I cannot speak Thai myself.

I am a qualified English teacher as a foreign language (my mother tongue is French) but I cannot teach here in Thailand because of the type of visa I have. I am not sure I would do a good job any way – I help close friends informally but I need my Thai wife around to get anywhere.

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On 1/6/2020 at 9:23 AM, bluesofa said:

Right.....expect a SWAT team there next week.

I'm guessing you've been keeping tabs if you know there's definitely so many.

Koh Phangan is CRAWLING with foreigners working without a proper visa or work permit. It's a chronic problem.

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On 1/6/2020 at 9:09 AM, shadowofacloud said:

As a happy digital professional, working remotely from TH for a few months every year*, I say: come get me!

 

It really would be a fun experience, something to write about in a few years, plus the maximum fine of 50k isn't a major issue (most likely 5-10k under the table would solve the problem anyway).

 

[*] on tourist visas, of course. If the indolent authorities came up with a proper visa+work permit scheme for digital professionals (say, 1k usd pa), they would already be a few thousand USD richer.

From reading the entire article, which I would recommend since it gives a good hint of what they are looking for.  They are looking for companies operating in Thailand hiring foreign workers without a work permit (i.e. those that it considers taking jobs from Thais).  So if you work for yourself and your customers are not Thai based operations and you do not employ anyone locally -- you are not really their target (though if someone reports you they would likely have to take a look at it - and likely find nothing). 

 

Earning money or not earning money is not a consideration on whether you require a work permit.  So you have to ask yourself - if you were not earning money from something would you be considered working in Thailand, if the answer is no - then you are likely safe.

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3 minutes ago, ozz1 said:

I was wondering  what about the African hookers in Bangkok and pattaya how do they get work permits just asking for a friend

they would be working without a visa , quite possibly on overstay as well

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2 minutes ago, ozz1 said:

I was wondering  what about the African hookers in Bangkok and pattaya how do they get work permits just asking for a friend

Africans and Russians, so conspicuous and obvious, particularly in Bkk where the police seem to be lurking around every corner waiting for someone to throw a cigarette butt on the ground (2000 baht fine). Visa / work permit aside, how do they get in the country?

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1 hour ago, KPG59 said:

Koh Phangan is CRAWLING with foreigners working without a proper visa or work permit. It's a chronic problem.

Same in Koh Tao; the bottom line (at least in Koh Tao) is that there aren’t actually any Thai people that want to work there.  Almost everyone doing any work is either Burmese or Farang.  It has been exactly the same for 20 years plus, and is unlikely to change any time soon.  Most of the Burmese are legal now, but much lower percentage of Farang.

 

There are two ways to bring it into compliance: change the laws, or shut down the islands altogether. 

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1 hour ago, Kenny202 said:

Africans and Russians, so conspicuous and obvious, particularly in Bkk where the police seem to be lurking around every corner waiting for someone to throw a cigarette butt on the ground (2000 baht fine). Visa / work permit aside, how do they get in the country?

Hello and welcome to Thailand. 

 

What happens is, these foreign criminals pay the police for protection, who act as a sort of organised criminal gang and are often involved in the trafficking of these people. 

 

The places in Bangkok that these Russians and Africans congregate and operate in are under the jurisdiction of the two most corrupt stations in Bangkok.

 

That's why you never see them actually arresting them, but they happily shake down foreigners with impromptu traffic stops, stop and searches etc. 

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On 1/6/2020 at 9:06 AM, Beggar said:

There are many. Some don't get paid and think this is no problem then. But it is not important if you get money or not. It is important that you do something that could be classified as work. 

Not sure what the current definition is but a few years ago it was quite close to the definition of 'work' in Physics - i.e. the expending of energy. About that time there ws a story (there's always a story and it never matters) of a guy who sat in a chair at his wife's business office and answered the phone while she was in the toilet. Busted.

 

Same as everything else in Thailand, the definition of 'work' is whatever the copper wants it to be. Meanwhile, when I was working at an international school some years ago, the head of the school would get 1 day's notice from the police, of a forthcoming police sweep (I was there for 3 years and I never saw one at the prominent school I was working at - quite legally of course). Anyone without a WP just stayed at home for the day (and still got paid as usual, they were just told to stay at home for the day).

 

The school paid the 'fee' to the police in order to get the required warning. Only a story of course... the Thai police would never to anything which was dishonest... definitely.

 

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