webfact Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 UK election result 'blew away' argument for second Brexit vote: Labour's Starmer FILE PHOTO: Labour's Keir Starmer speaks to the media as he leaves the BBC Headquarters after appearing on The Andrew Marr show in London, Oct. 20 2019. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls/File Photo LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's December election "blew away" the argument for a second Brexit referendum and the country must move on from its divide over whether or not to leave the European Union, the frontrunner to lead the opposition Labour Party said on Sunday. Keir Starmer, a former senior public prosecutor and Labour's Brexit spokesman, took a leading role in persuading the party to back a second referendum but said the lack of clarity over how Labour would campaign in such a vote had been damaging. Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservatives won a large majority in last month's election, paving the way for Britain to leave the EU at the end of January. "We are going to leave the EU in the next few weeks and it is important for all of us, including myself, to recognise that the argument about leave and remain goes with it," Starmer said in an interview with the BBC. "We will have left the EU and this election blew away the argument for a second referendum, rightly or wrongly, and we have to adjust to that situation, the argument has to move on." Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's decision to step down following the election defeat has opened the way for a leadership battle that will determine the direction of the party, which moved to the left during the veteran socialist's tenure. Starmer is seen as a party centrist who could struggle to win over left-wing members who backed Corbyn, but is the bookmakers' favourite and a YouGov poll carried out at the end of last month gave him a strong lead over other candidates. Starmer said Labour needed to focus on Britain's future ties with the EU. "The argument now is can we insist on that close relationship with the EU," he said. "My concern is less about technical membership of the EU now, it is if we shift our focus from the EU, move away from those standards and arrangements." (Reporting by Kylie MacLellan; Editing by David Holmes) -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-06 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baansgr Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 I don't think anyone can take Lab our seriously anymore...Dianne Abbot has done more damage than anyone....notice how she was kept out of the press during election campaigning. Her and Corbyn will take generations to forget. 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 Good to see another Remainer accepting the will of the people. It only took 4 votes to get losers consent from Sir Keir but better late than never. Nobody will be forgetting his anti democratic actions though, that mud will stick and rightly so. As for Diane Abbott, I'm not surprised she's keeping a low profile given that her privately educated son has been on the rampage assaulting police, health workers and exposing himself. Not a good look for someone who is the shadow home secretary. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7842415/Diane-Abbotts-privately-educated-son-28-charged-11-new-offences.html What a joke Labour has become. Jess Philips running for leadership, says it all really. 13 1 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NanLaew Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: Good to see another Remainer accepting the will of the people. It only took 4 votes to get losers consent from Sir Keir but better late than never. Nobody will be forgetting his anti democratic actions though, that mud will stick and rightly so. As for Diane Abbott, I'm not surprised she's keeping a low profile given that her privately educated son has been on the rampage assaulting police, health workers and exposing himself. Not a good look for someone who is the shadow home secretary. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7842415/Diane-Abbotts-privately-educated-son-28-charged-11-new-offences.html What a joke Labour has become. Jess Philips running for leadership, says it all really. Yes, and 'our Jess' has thrown her hat in the leadership ring while proclaiming that if she was leader, she might seek to rejoin EU if Brexit fails. https://www.ft.com/content/1cd7f972-2fde-11ea-9703-eea0cae3f0de Playtime's over so off you go, back in your wee, recidivist box along with Corby and Abbott. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post roquefort Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, JonnyF said: Good to see another Remainer accepting the will of the people. It only took 4 votes to get losers consent from Sir Keir but better late than never. Nobody will be forgetting his anti democratic actions though, that mud will stick and rightly so. As for Diane Abbott, I'm not surprised she's keeping a low profile given that her privately educated son has been on the rampage assaulting police, health workers and exposing himself. Not a good look for someone who is the shadow home secretary. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7842415/Diane-Abbotts-privately-educated-son-28-charged-11-new-offences.html What a joke Labour has become. Jess Philips running for leadership, says it all really. Agreed the mud will stick, but he's the only credible candidate Labour have. Looking at the bunch of clowns lined up against him, he should win it by a landslide. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jane Dough Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 hours ago, JonnyF said: Good to see another Remainer accepting the will of the people. It only took 4 votes to get losers consent from Sir Keir but better late than never. Nobody will be forgetting his anti democratic actions though, that mud will stick and rightly so. As for Diane Abbott, I'm not surprised she's keeping a low profile given that her privately educated son has been on the rampage assaulting police, health workers and exposing himself. Not a good look for someone who is the shadow home secretary. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7842415/Diane-Abbotts-privately-educated-son-28-charged-11-new-offences.html What a joke Labour has become. Jess Philips running for leadership, says it all really. The Daily Mail as your source? Bless. You'd do better backing up your opinions by providing a link to Viz comic. Rooster 4 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Krataiboy Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Starmer is a member of the globalist Trilateral Commission, and will do all he can to keep us tied to the EU's apron strings. Edited January 6, 2020 by Krataiboy 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Jane Dough said: The Daily Mail as your source? Bless. You'd do better backing up your opinions by providing a link to Viz comic. Rooster Ah. Attack the source rather than the story. Classic Remainer tactic when they wish to ignore the point. I looked for the story in The Guardian for our Europhile luvvies but it seems they are ignoring it, cant imagine why. How about The Times? Highbrow enough? Exactly the same story. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/diane-abbotts-son-james-abbott-thompson-bit-a-police-officer-26slz3c97 13 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lemonjelly Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 Don’t worry about leaving the EU, our biggest trading partner, we can stand alone against all, our leverage in negotiating trade deals with BRICS won’t be affected because we won the Battle of Britain and we’ve a prime minister who when asked what he did in his spare time, on the spur of the moment, his school boy mind scripted a story that he makes model buses out of old wine crates.... Bally Ho.... fire up the Spitfires....... 3 3 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Starmer is yet another Labour John-the-Baptist paving the way for the new Messiah. So long as his (or her) name is not Blair.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sawadee1947 Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 14 hours ago, webfact said: We are going to leave the EU in the next few weeks and it is important for all of us, including myself, to recognise that the argument about leave and remain goes with it," Not really. It will depend how fast and how far negotiations with EU will go on. There is still a chance for a u-turn. UK has miles to go. 1 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 With his majority Boris is now in the position to make the perfect Brexit. Let him do his magic. Let's see what kind of deal he will have with the EU by the end of this year. And maybe also a wonderful trads agreement with the USA. Boris, go for it, do your best! I am sitting back and watch how he will make the UK great again. Let's wait and see. 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CG1 Blue Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, sawadee1947 said: Not really. It will depend how fast and how far negotiations with EU will go on. There is still a chance for a u-turn. UK has miles to go. We are legally leaving the EU on 31st Jan. Negotiations from this point are around our future trading relationship outside of the EU. Can you explain what sequence of events you think could lead to a u-turn? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 looking at how Brexit has been handled over the three + years it would be more prudent to say that the plan is for UK to exit EU end of this month. It may or may not happen as read in the tea leaves, don't think anything re Brexit would surprise me any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said: We are legally leaving the EU on 31st Jan. Negotiations from this point are around our future trading relationship outside of the EU. Can you explain what sequence of events you think could lead to a u-turn? Easy as that. The deal has to be approved by parliament. If not the endless story will start again. And if their is no deal then what is next? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said: Easy as that. The deal has to be approved by parliament. If not the endless story will start again. And if their is no deal then what is next? Boris has enough majority to easily see it through the HOC. The Lords have finally conceded defeat and will not block his election manifesto. We will be out If there is No Deal we will still Leave. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted January 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: With his majority Boris is now in the position to make the perfect Brexit. Let him do his magic. Let's see what kind of deal he will have with the EU by the end of this year. And maybe also a wonderful trads agreement with the USA. Boris, go for it, do your best! I am sitting back and watch how he will make the UK great again. Let's wait and see. I am sitting back and watching all those remaining TV posters who kept on going against the will of the people and still can't accept that the UK people want out, finally realise the UK is leaving and will leave the EU. Being away from the corrupt clutches of the EU is worth it. 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 hours ago, sawadee1947 said: Not really. It will depend how fast and how far negotiations with EU will go on. There is still a chance for a u-turn. UK has miles to go. You and some of the other Remainers are like those US soldiers they found 30 years after the Vietnam war had ended, still hiding out in the jungle looking for "gooks". It's over Bro, dry those eyes and sack up ???? 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Guy seems a realist. Brexit was a bad process, bad decision and I think there will be major regrets, although honesty about the cause for the regrets will probably be absent. But there is no other option now but go along with it and try to make the best out of it. The hate expressed by some, see eg the post above mine, are beyond my comprehension. Edited January 7, 2020 by stevenl 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steve187 Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 hours ago, sawadee1947 said: Not really. It will depend how fast and how far negotiations with EU will go on. There is still a chance for a u-turn. UK has miles to go. dream on, keep holding onto the dream of remaining, when will the remainders give up, the potential leader of the commies has 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, stevenl said: Guy seems a realist. Brexit was a bad process, bad decision and I think there will be major regrets, although honesty about the cause for the regrets will probably be absent. But there is no other option now but go along with it and try to make the best out of it. Once the election was called, the defeat of Corbynism took precedence over Brexit, particularly as Boris took Hard Brexit off the table prior to the election and couple that with the Labour Party confusion over what policy they actually stood for. The Labour Party has 2 straightforward choices: either it settles accounts with Corbynism or it backs off and tries to pin the tail totally on the Brexit donkey. Starmer (BTW, my constituency MP, Holborn and St. Pancras) is trying to take the second route it appears. More fool him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said: I am sitting back and watching all those remaining TV posters who kept on going against the will of the people and still can't accept that the UK people want out, finally realise the UK is leaving and will leave the EU. Being away from the corrupt clutches of the EU is worth it. I am from the EU and believe me, after all that headache, many of us won't miss you. I am pretty sure Brexit will be bad for the UK. The question is when it will get bad enough that the Brexiters realize that they didn't do themselves a favor. Let's wait until 2021 after the transition period is over. Or will Boris change his mind and extend it? And lets look how fast the UK will make all those beautiful deals with all those countries around the word with which they currently still have trade agreements through the EU. Maybe that will all work out fine and the UK will prosper. But maybe not. Let's see. Enjoy the ride! 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, melvinmelvin said: looking at how Brexit has been handled over the three + years it would be more prudent to say that the plan is for UK to exit EU end of this month. It may or may not happen as read in the tea leaves, don't think anything re Brexit would surprise me any more The debacle over the last 3.5 years was due to a Remainer Parliament blocking everything and in some cases even colluding with the EU to keep us in. Even the Speaker of the House was at it. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-bercow-met-david-sassoli-president-of-the-european-parliament-in-secret-092nd79d2 Not to mention Benn's Surrender Act, the worst piece of legislation for decades. What a thing to be remembered for. That Parliament is long gone, and good riddance to it. It will be remembered as the worst Parliament in decades. How right Cox was. We now have a Parliament that is representative of the majority of the people. Things will move forward quickly and Project Fear will soon be forgotten as the bunch of lies that it was when we leave with a minimum of fuss. The 31st will be a great night out. . 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, steve187 said: dream on, keep holding onto the dream of remaining, when will the remainders give up, the potential leader of the commies has Nothing to do with dreaming, the UK will come to regret voting for the US Trumpet. Of course unlike Blair, Bojo can take the UK to war with the will of the people. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 32 minutes ago, sandyf said: Nothing to do with dreaming, the UK will come to regret voting for the US Trumpet. Of course unlike Blair, Bojo can take the UK to war with the will of the people. Yawn. Are you still trying to sell that 51st state nonsense? Remainers are increasingly desperate for something to go wrong for the UK, so sad. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 Absolutely agree. Brexit needs to get done. Waste of time trying to prevent it now. So Brexiteers. We shall follow you guys to the sunny uplands as you deliver all the promises that were made to achieve the result you wanted. Remember now. No worse off than we would be if we had remained in the EU. No NHS privatization. No economic downturn. No loss of workers rights. Basically no bad stuff. Just good stuff. I also await the delivery of my free unicorn. Actually its my daughter who wants it. Please do not disappoint her. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said: I am from the EU and believe me, after all that headache, many of us won't miss you. I am pretty sure Brexit will be bad for the UK. The question is when it will get bad enough that the Brexiters realize that they didn't do themselves a favor. Let's wait until 2021 after the transition period is over. Or will Boris change his mind and extend it? And lets look how fast the UK will make all those beautiful deals with all those countries around the word with which they currently still have trade agreements through the EU. Maybe that will all work out fine and the UK will prosper. But maybe not. Let's see. Enjoy the ride! "I am from the EU and believe me, after all that headache, many of us won't miss you." Who are these "many of us won't miss you", most people would have thought that a country that pays in 1 billion pounds a month to the EU project would be sorely missed, unless it's a case of sour grapes of course. It's like living under the same roof and having to give the owner all our wages and the owner gives us a little spending money back, but tells us how to spend it. Neighbours is fine, but we do not want to be lodgers. One thing for certain is if we cannot make a go of it being out of the corrupt EU, we don't deserve to anyway. But I sure the better we do, it can only benefit the EU in the long run. But it's sad to see after nearly 4 years of cheap jibes and snide remarks this is now turning into bitterness, this does not help our respective countries achieve entente cordiale. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, vogie said: "I am from the EU and believe me, after all that headache, many of us won't miss you." Who are these "many of us won't miss you", most people would have thought that a country that pays in 1 billion pounds a month to the EU project would be sorely missed, unless it's a case of sour grapes of course. It's like living under the same roof and having to give the owner all our wages and the owner gives us a little spending money back, but tells us how to spend it. Neighbours is fine, but we do not want to be lodgers. One thing for certain is if we cannot make a go of it being out of the corrupt EU, we don't deserve to anyway. But I sure the better we do, it can only benefit the EU in the long run. But it's sad to see after nearly 4 years of cheap jibes and snide remarks this is now turning into bitterness, this does not help our respective countries achieve entente cordiale. I guess you reap what you sow. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuamRudy Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: I am from the EU and believe me, after all that headache, many of us won't miss you. I am pretty sure Brexit will be bad for the UK. The question is when it will get bad enough that the Brexiters realize that they didn't do themselves a favor. Let's wait until 2021 after the transition period is over. Or will Boris change his mind and extend it? And lets look how fast the UK will make all those beautiful deals with all those countries around the word with which they currently still have trade agreements through the EU. Maybe that will all work out fine and the UK will prosper. But maybe not. Let's see. Enjoy the ride! I know that most EU politicians recognise that Brexit is not a universally loved policy across the UK but I hope that the wider EU public understand this too. Brexit was comprehensively rejected in both Scotland and Northern Ireland. Brexit is English derived and English imposed. England should own it. Scotland will hopefully rejoin the fold soon. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lemonjelly Posted January 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2020 The EU, as a collective has strong trade negotiation power against the likes of Russia, India, China and Brazil. Once the UK has left that collective, it will be in a much weaker position to negotiate trade deals with China etc who will take every advantage of our weakened position. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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