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On 1/8/2020 at 5:53 PM, Traubert said:

By definition Thailand is not and has never been a third world country.

 

The same old false statement. It's a developing country.

You could make an argument that it was a Third World country for a few years prior to the Manila Pact in 1954...but that's a sneaky argument. 

 

You're largely correct. Then again, most people uttering the words "Third World" don't even know the origins of the term or its complicated meaning.

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On 1/8/2020 at 5:53 PM, Traubert said:

By definition Thailand is not and has never been a third world country.

 

The same old false statement. It's a developing country.

Third world Country, by definition a country neither a member of NATO nor the Soviet Bloc.

As far as I know Thailand has never joined either.

 

Sorry to be pedantic.

 

Back on topic, Aranyaprathet border is a bloody nightmare, always has been, probably always will be.

A shame as I like Siem Reap, and a bus trip over that border is the easiest way to get there.

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5 hours ago, jackdd said:

There is no written requirement to have a hotel booking to enter Thailand (if an IO is looking to deny you entry he might of course try to make something up, similar to an imaginary 180 days limit etc.)

If entering at a land border there is no requirement to have a flight ticket out. In case you arrive at an airport (or by ship) and want to get a visa exempt, there is a requirement to have a booked ticket out of Thailand within 30 days.

When entering Thailand visa exempt the required cash is 10k THB, if arriving with a visa it's 20k THB.

 

In your previous post you were talking about visa exempt at a land border, thus no hotel booking, no flight ticket and only 10k THB cash required.

These are the requirements when actually entering Thailand, the requirements to obtain a visa might be different from this, because those can be defined by the embassy in each country.

My bad, I checked and indeed I was on a setv when asked 20k thb.

 

I understand my statement about "the rules" was wrong, now my point was to help people (think google search) who do frequent crossing that with those documents your chance of getting denied entry are very low.

 

So to reiterate, our best bet to get through land border on visa-exempt (max 2 per year) you need the following (even at poipet) :

- ticket out the country (bus, ferry, flight)

- hotel booking

- 10'000 thb

 

With this they will have a hard time to refuse you entry, though it is still possible.

Now the easiest free refundable ticket to get are flight ticket. Bus and ferry ticket are hardly refundable but cost can be negligible like below 10 usd. Expensive refundable flight ticket will weight much more in the eye of the officer, keep that in mind ...

Refundable Hotel booking are dead easy to get on booking.com.

 

Hope everyone can agree on this.

 

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16 minutes ago, scottiddled said:

There's no need to jump on every poster who has a bad experience.

I agree.

Aranyaprathet is the only border I've ever had a problem.

Not to mention the bribe required at Poipet (only time ever as well)

And I've been in and out (always on Non-o) for the past ten years.

 

IMHO the only way to avoid problems at this border is to not use it.

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36 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Third world Country, by definition a country neither a member of NATO nor the Soviet Bloc.

As far as I know Thailand has never joined either.

 

Sorry to be pedantic.

It's the internet. We can all be a little pedantic. 🙂

 

But your definition of Third World is a bit too narrow. A country need not have been in NATO to have been considered in the "Western Bloc." By that narrow definition, Australia, New Zealand, and Taiwan would be considered "Third World."

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8 minutes ago, scottiddled said:

It's the internet. We can all be a little pedantic. 🙂

 

But your definition of Third World is a bit too narrow. A country need not have been in NATO to have been considered in the "Western Bloc." By that narrow definition, Australia, New Zealand, and Taiwan would be considered "Third World."

You would need to argue with the people that write the dictionaries, it's not my definition.

 

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first applied in the 1950s by French commentators who used tiers monde to distinguish the developing countries from the capitalist and Communist blocs.
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On 1/8/2020 at 6:43 PM, possum1931 said:

I still stand by what I have said, there are far too many IOs here with hostile attitudes.

It's about Poipet and the problems there are well known. 

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27 minutes ago, freeman01 said:

My bad, I checked and indeed I was on a setv when asked 20k thb.

 

I understand my statement about "the rules" was wrong, now my point was to help people (think google search) who do frequent crossing that with those documents your chance of getting denied entry are very low.

 

So to reiterate, our best bet to get through land border on visa-exempt (max 2 per year) you need the following (even at poipet) :

- ticket out the country (bus, ferry, flight)

- hotel booking

- 10'000 thb

 

With this they will have a hard time to refuse you entry, though it is still possible.

Now the easiest free refundable ticket to get are flight ticket. Bus and ferry ticket are hardly refundable but cost can be negligible like below 10 usd. Expensive refundable flight ticket will weight much more in the eye of the officer, keep that in mind ...

Refundable Hotel booking are dead easy to get on booking.com.

 

Hope everyone can agree on this.

 

"you need the following (even at poipet)"

That part I think no one can agree on. Poipet doesn't follow the normal rules, they make them up as it goes. 

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4 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

"you need the following (even at poipet)"

That part I think no one can agree on. Poipet doesn't follow the normal rules, they make them up as it goes. 

I don't know, from my experience after crying on the officer's feet for a while he was about to let me in but renounced in the end because I was lacking a ticket out and hotel booking, if i had those i would have gone through.

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17 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You would need to argue with the people that write the dictionaries, it's not my definition.

 

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first applied in the 1950s by French commentators who used tiers monde to distinguish the developing countries from the capitalist and Communist blocs.

I get that. And it's not cut and dry, at all. And the definition has shifted repeatedly over time (now it's casually used in economic, not political terms).

 

By virtue of the Manila Treaty, I'd include Thailand (post 1954 or whatever) in the "capitalist bloc" (better termed the "Western bloc"). Wikipedia would agree with me (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World#/media/File:Cold_War_alliances_mid-1975.svg). But a case could be made that, when Sauvy originally coined the term (in 1952), since Thailand wasn't with the bloc at the time, it was Third World. Or one could argue that the Manila Treaty isn't enough to place Thailand in the U.S./NATO hegemony. I'd say it is, and my background is in international relations. But others may disagree.

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3 hours ago, freeman01 said:

I understand my statement about "the rules" was wrong, now my point was to help people (think google search) who do frequent crossing that with those documents your chance of getting denied entry are very low.

 

So to reiterate, our best bet to get through land border on visa-exempt (max 2 per year) you need the following (even at poipet) :

- ticket out the country (bus, ferry, flight)

- hotel booking

- 10'000 thb

 

With this they will have a hard time to refuse you entry, though it is still possible.

Now the easiest free refundable ticket to get are flight ticket. Bus and ferry ticket are hardly refundable but cost can be negligible like below 10 usd. Expensive refundable flight ticket will weight much more in the eye of the officer, keep that in mind ...

Refundable Hotel booking are dead easy to get on booking.com.

 

Hope everyone can agree on this.

Useful post, as long as this is emphasized: most of this isn't the rules. As you correctly noted, it's travelers' "best bet to get through" given the arbitrary, inconsistent, and sometimes hostile whims of IOs.

 

I think someone could write a useful forum post or blog post that walks the reader through the differences in:

  • the law
  • what's the law requires of a tourist (for VE, VOA, to get a tourist visa, and to enter on a tourist visa)
  • and what is occasionally asked about/demanded from IOs in practice that isn't in the law (e.g., printouts of hotel bookings)
  • real-world tips on how to meet the various requirements in different ways (e.g., as freeman offers several options for travel tickets, refundable hotel bookings)

Or we could get some brass with the Immigration Police committed to enforcing the law as written and slapping down rogue IOs who have their own rules. But that's wishful thinking. 🙂

 

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I went in and out through AP - Poipet last September... I was in Cambo for about half an hour.

The Thai immi staff did pull me over at the desk for a chat, and I spoke to the boss man (who I recognised) in Thai for a bit, and then we switched to English. I explained my family was waiting for me on the other side,  and we had to get back to hospital. I also suggested I'd lived in Thailand for lots of years, which may or may not be true, and happened to have a stamped official letter showing my address nearby (not a pr letter btw, just a residence letter). The guy suddenly changed his tone and hopped up and over to the guy on the desk telling him that I (or people with my kind of visa) could reenter the same day (I could understand his Thai). All over, but I probably wouldn't try it again. As for my appearance, I dressed in long-sleeved shirt, trousers, and proper shoes, and a businessy rucksack, and no tats, dreads, piercings.

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