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6 months annual stay. Married. Simplest option?

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Not exactly an option to stay for 6 months in Thailand with your wife, but here's a visa-free suggestion:

You and your wife go live in Malaysia for 2.5 months (Malaysia grants 3-month social visit passes for citizens of many countries), then go back together to Thailand for one month and then back to Malaysia for another 2.5 months.

A snowbird option would be 1 month in Malaysia, 1 month in Thailand and then 1 month in Malaysia.

Cost of living is lower in Malaysia than in Thailand.

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On 1/30/2020 at 2:49 AM, Tanoshi said:

You'll never need to apply for another Non O Visa from London or elsewhere, provided you apply for a new extension and a re-entry permit each year from your local Immigration office. 

In the long run it will save considerable time and effort to stay several months per year in Thailand.

 

Impressive. A very efficient solution! - perhaps founded on personal experience ...?  

I would only wonder whether the much criticised Thai Health Insurance requirement could become an issue? (if not now, then when they find revenues slipping through their fingers). Payment for that would come from "my cold dead hand" - to coin a phrase.

Having 10,000 quid hanging around in a Thai bank account would not be the end of the world I suppose - I am guessing this would require topping up at some stage, perhaps 2 months before submitting the request for the 12 month extension?  

 

Hmm.. may yet find cause for a smug smile at immigration in Bangkok 🙂

 

Another thought born of ignorance - do re-entry permits require declared leaving or re-entry dates?

 

Thanks to all for the responses so far.

 

 

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9 hours ago, magpie3 said:

I would only wonder whether the much criticised Thai Health Insurance requirement could become an issue? (if not now, then when they find revenues slipping through their fingers). Payment for that would come from "my cold dead hand" - to coin a phrase.

Doesn't and never will apply to extensions based on marriage.

 

9 hours ago, magpie3 said:

Having 10,000 quid hanging around in a Thai bank account would not be the end of the world I suppose - I am guessing this would require topping up at some stage, perhaps 2 months before submitting the request for the 12 month extension?  

400K in a Thai bank 2 months prior to the application date.

Once the extension is granted you can withdraw the lot if needed, or stick it in a Fixed term account for 12 months and get 1.5% interest.

 

9 hours ago, magpie3 said:

Another thought born of ignorance - do re-entry permits require declared leaving or re-entry dates?

The re-entry permit is valid for the duration of any permission of stay granted, or until used.

Enter Oct on Non O, Extension granted Jan - Jan. Re-entry permit valid for your entry the following Oct, renew extension in Jan - repeat.

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9 hours ago, magpie3 said:

Impressive. A very efficient solution! - perhaps founded on personal experience ...?  

I am on my 12th consecutive extension of stay based upon marriage. As long as you meet the requirements every year you will never need to get a new visa or leave the country unless you want to.

 

9 hours ago, magpie3 said:

Having 10,000 quid hanging around in a Thai bank account would not be the end of the world I suppose - I am guessing this would require topping up at some stage, perhaps 2 months before submitting the request for the 12 month extension?  

You would on need to have the 400k baht in the bank for 2 month prior to the date you apply for the extension. If you want to use it during the year all you have to is top it up at least 2 months before the day you expect to apply for the extension.

 

9 hours ago, magpie3 said:

Another thought born of ignorance - do re-entry permits require declared leaving or re-entry dates?

No it is does not. There is space on the application form but the dates mean nothing and is not shown the re-entry permit to stamp.

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Many thanks  Tanoshi and Ubonjoe.

Clarity at last.

Real people with direct experience, relevant answers, no language barriers and no ambiguity.

Not sure how long it would have taken at Thai immigration or the London Embassy (or sifting through online resources) to reach the current conclusion!

:clap2::clap2:

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An unforeseen event.

Re - the preceding triumphal conclusions...

My final 30 days staying in Thailand this year were due to be covered by a short trip to Vietnam (Ba Na Hills) and a visa exemption on arrival back at Swampy.

With the trip paid for, half of the accompanying Thai family has cancelled and due to the Covid virus scare.

My wife is aware and uncomfortable about the risk.

I Sympathise.

We could cancel too, but I am only 48 hours away from needing another stamp in the passport to allow me to stay until the flight back to UK.

 

Recap - I had a 3 month (non imm O) visa followed by a 2 month follow on. Immigration said I had to leave the country by air to return and collect a visa exemption on arrival.

 

The question is... could I achieve the same 30 days by doing my normal rapid turnaround at the Kanchanaburi border crossing.  2x 30 days are allowed per year, but are these adversely influenced by my previous recent entries into Thailand??

 

Again, the lack of trust in what the immigration personnel say is evident here.

Any info would be gratefully received.

  

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9 minutes ago, magpie3 said:

The question is... could I achieve the same 30 days by doing my normal rapid turnaround at the Kanchanaburi border crossing.  2x 30 days are allowed per year, but are these adversely influenced by my previous recent entries into Thailand??

No problem to get a 30 day visa exempt entry there. 

Immigration at most border crossings only check to see if you have already done 2 of them.

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Thanks for the timely reply Ubon,

Think we will use it as a backstop because discussions with the tour operator have confirmed airport screening checks and the hotels awareness of the issues. 

Personal hygiene is the most important issue, and we are more or less in control of that, so just keeping a level head should limit the risk significantly.

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On 1/30/2020 at 9:49 AM, Tanoshi said:

apply for a 1 year extension to your permission of stay at your local Immigration office based on marriage to a Thai.

If that marriage was not in Thailand, you're faced with a multi-faceted goat rope to obtain a Thai marriage certificate (Kor Ror 22). I'll let you Google the particulars (several recent here in TV). But, if over age 50 and have 800k baht to put in a Thai bank, the retirement extension route may be the easiest way to go...

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17 hours ago, JimGant said:

If that marriage was not in Thailand, you're faced with a multi-faceted goat rope to obtain a Thai marriage certificate (Kor Ror 22). I'll let you Google the particulars (several recent here in TV). But, if over age 50 and have 800k baht to put in a Thai bank, the retirement extension route may be the easiest way to go...

I'm well aware of the correct procedure to follow to legalise UK marriage documents, but that wasn't the question posed by the OP.

 

Why if married to a Thai, would you want to tie up 800K and subsequently 400K for several months in a Thai bank, when you only have to tie up 400K for 2+ months.

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20 hours ago, magpie3 said:

An unforeseen event.

Re - the preceding triumphal conclusions...

My final 30 days staying in Thailand this year were due to be covered by a short trip to Vietnam (Ba Na Hills) and a visa exemption on arrival back at Swampy.

With the trip paid for, half of the accompanying Thai family has cancelled and due to the Covid virus scare.

My wife is aware and uncomfortable about the risk.

I Sympathise.

We could cancel too, but I am only 48 hours away from needing another stamp in the passport to allow me to stay until the flight back to UK.

 

Recap - I had a 3 month (non imm O) visa followed by a 2 month follow on. Immigration said I had to leave the country by air to return and collect a visa exemption on arrival.

 

The question is... could I achieve the same 30 days by doing my normal rapid turnaround at the Kanchanaburi border crossing.  2x 30 days are allowed per year, but are these adversely influenced by my previous recent entries into Thailand??

 

Again, the lack of trust in what the immigration personnel say is evident here.

Any info would be gratefully received.

The Kanchanaburi border crossing would work as confirmed by UbonJoe.

An alternative option could be not to cancel the trip to Vietnam but to combine with a 1-year ME Non Imm O - marriage Visa application at the HCMC consulate.

Two birds killed in one stone, when that option would be logistically feasible.

Note: When in UK again, you would then not need to apply for the 90-day Non Imm O - marriage Visa, as your 1-year ME Non Imm O - marriage Visa permission to stay will be valid for a full year.

When returning on that 1-year Visa to Thailand, you will be stamped in with a permission to stay for 90 days.  At the end of which, you could either 

- do a border-run (can be done same day or combined with a holiday abroad) and re-enter on the Visa, which will provide you once again with a 90-day permission to stay;

- apply for an extension in-country for 60 days (cost 1.900 THB);

- apply in-country for a 1-year extension (which would require to have parked 400.000 THB on a thai bank-account).

 

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