Ukrainian aircraft was shot down in Iran due to human error - Iran military statement

[rooster59]

Ukrainian aircraft was shot down in Iran due to human error - Iran military statement

 

General view of the debris of the Ukraine International Airlines, flight PS752, Boeing 737-800 plane that crashed after take-off from Iran's Imam Khomeini airport, on the outskirts of Tehran, Iran January 8, 2020 is seen in this screen grab obtained from a social media video via REUTERS THIS IMAGE HAS BEEN SUPPLIED BY A THIRD PARTY. MANDATORY CREDIT.

 

DUBAI (Reuters) - A Ukrainian aircraft which crashed earlier this week in Iran had flown close to a sensitive military site belonging to the elite Revolutionary Guards and was shot down unintentionally due to human error, the Iranian military said in a statement read on state TV on Saturday.

 

The responsible parties would be referred to a judicial department within the military and held accountable, the statement said.

 

All 176 people on board were killed in the crash. The Iranian military statement expressed condolences to the families of the victims.

 

The United States and Canada had said that the plane was shot down, a claim Iran had initially denied.

 

(Reporting by Babak Dehghanpisheh; Editing by Jacqueline Wong)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-11

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[mokwit]

6 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

A Ukrainian aircraft which crashed earlier this week in Iran had flown close to a sensitive military site belonging to the elite Revolutionary Guards

So it materially deviated from its flight path or not?

[Blackheart1916]

If it was shot down, then it has to be intentionally.

[Tug]

A tragic unessary incident rip to the lost and condolences to all affected from all nations and religions  

[darksidedog]

For the sake of the families I am happy that the Iranians have decided to come clean about the affair. It was only a matter of time before the truth was unequivocally proven and it could be denied no longer. I am sure Boeing are breathing a huge sigh of relief too.

[ezzra]

The whole bloody country of Iran is one human error as long as those muhllas are dictating life there and keeping magnificent country such as Iran in the dark ages...

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

For the sake of the families I am happy that the Iranians have decided to come clean about the affair. It was only a matter of time before the truth was unequivocally proven and it could be denied no longer. I am sure Boeing are breathing a huge sigh of relief too.

Yes its good that iran admitted it. Its not the first country and wont be the last country that has shot down airliners and had to own up to their mistake.

 

Of course it was done by accident, nobody expected it to be on purpose (as in knowing it was a passenger plane and then shooting it down).

 

That they did not admit it right away was normal no country would do that first they try to shift blame and investigate then when they can only admit they will admit. Nobody wants to look bad.

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, Blackheart1916 said:

If it was shot down, then it has to be intentionally.

Sure they fired the missiles with intention to bring the plane down however they did not know it was a passenger plane but thought it was something else. So it was unintentional in that sense and everyone with half a brain understands that they never wanted to shoot down a passenger airplane on purpose.

[rabas]

A point to note. The large number of videos and other information, and its corroboration was all from dedicated Irani citizens seeking truth. I wish them all a much brighter future without their mullah overlords.

 

[Gweiloman]

11 minutes ago, ezzra said:

The whole bloody country of Iran is one human error as long as those muhllas are dictating life there and keeping magnificent country such as Iran in the dark ages...

It wouldn’t have happened if that mistake of a human being sitting in the white house  hadn’t assassinated QS.   Blame should be shared equally. Law of unintended consequences. 

[Saltire]

Paranoid, military hotheads spoiling for a fight - again, at the cost of more innocent lives.

 

Every country boasts about their military technology. This is obviously inferior if they can not in this day and age, tell the difference between a commercial airliner that had just taken off from their own soil, and an incoming enemy bomber?

 

When my old-skool dad watched television reports of middle east countries protesting in the streets, he'd always say 'these people would follow a donkey'.

 

[userabcd]

Why did they have to selectively pick through the wreckage and are now cleaning up the whole crash site all before the international investigators have even had a look at the site.

 

It is evident they are trying to hide something and brings up a question if it was even a mistake.

 

The Iranian ambassador in the UK talking on tv is still in lala land.

 

What a farce by Iran and their total disregard and insult to the victims and their families.

Edited January 11, 2020 by userabcd

[AussieBob18]

Undoubtedly those blaming Trump for this are in need of a serious self-evaluation.  This issue is above politics. Of course it was accidental - innocent people died because of the incompetent Iran military and using this to make a political statement about Trump is disgusting.

 

 

[Opl]

Iran’s airspace was a war zone. Iran just fired two dozen ballistic missiles a few hours earlier against US bases in Iraq, retaliation from the US was expected. Iranian anti-aircraft defense was on high alert, anti-aircraft defense systems, which must intercept targets flying at high speed or at low altitude, require rapid décisions, an operator can easily make a mistake , especially when the alert is at it's highest, why was'nt this flight cancelled?

[Chazar]

39 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

It wouldn’t have happened if that mistake of a human being sitting in the white house  hadn’t assassinated QS.   Blame should be shared equally. Law of unintended consequences. 

Oh Pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

[trainman34014]

Must say i've wondered from the start if it was shot down intentionally.  Not nice thoughts perhaps but when you consider there were 176 people on that Plane that would reach Western countries and be able to tell the World how the Iranian General Public were reacting to life in Iran at this time.   Remember just about three weeks ago they were protesting in the streets about how bad things were and it is said that the now dead General oversaw the killing of around 3,000 of his own people involved in the protests.   One can only imagine how many Iranian Nationals and people with Dual Nationality must be feeling right now and i doubt the devious and brutal Ruling Regime want too many people leaving the country and telling the rest of the World about it.

[GalaxyMan]

Just now, trainman34014 said:

Must say i've wondered from the start if it was shot down intentionally.  Not nice thoughts perhaps but when you consider there were 176 people on that Plane that would reach Western countries and be able to tell the World how the Iranian General Public were reacting to life in Iran at this time.   Remember just about three weeks ago they were protesting in the streets about how bad things were and it is said that the now dead General oversaw the killing of around 3,000 of his own people involved in the protests.   One can only imagine how many Iranian Nationals and people with Dual Nationality must be feeling right now and i doubt the devious and brutal Ruling Regime want too many people leaving the country and telling the rest of the World about it.

I find the coincidence of Kahmeini reminding everyone just a few days prior to this happening of the Iranian Boeing that the US military shot down a bit odd. Sort of makes me wonder about the 'accidental' aspect of their admission.

[rabas]

35 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

It wouldn’t have happened if that mistake of a human being sitting in the white house  hadn’t assassinated QS.   Blame should be shared equally. Law of unintended consequences. 

The blame should be squarely on Soleimani who spent his career assassinating and killing people at will. Hezbollah, financed by Iran, is in Soleimaini's responsibility portfolio. They were behind the horrific assassination of  Prime Minister of Lebanon Rafic Hariri. They used a 1-2 ton car bomb to make sure they got him, along with  22 other innocent bystanders. Just another work day for Soleimani.

[Metropolitian]

Shows Iran has the balls and a fine adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct to admit they were in the wrong.

Balls, something that the responsibles and their gov for downing the MH370 lacks.

 

 

[neeray]

48 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Why did they have to selectively pick through the wreckage and are now cleaning up the whole crash site all before the international investigators have even had a look at the site.

I believe the answer here is that the initial reaction was to deny responsibility, thus, "rapid clean-up" was part of that plan. However, it soon became obvious that denial was useless. There was too much evidence of the truth.

[mogandave]

12 minutes ago, Metropolitian said:

Shows Iran has the balls and a fine adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct to admit they were in the wrong.

Balls, something that the responsibles and their gov for downing the MH370 lacks.

 

 

Yes, they said it was mechanical failure until it came out that they had shot it down and then they admitted it. 
 

so yes, after they got caught they decided to do the right thing.

[neeray]

This unintentional shoot down supports the argument against nuclear capability.

[Rimmer]

Some off topic also troll posts removed

[Assurancetourix]

58 minutes ago, Opl said:

why was'nt this flight cancelled?

Good question ....

[toenail]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

So it materially deviated from its flight path or not?

Experts analyzing the video & satellite data said the person (s) in charge of the missile lacked skill or common sense; for  the plane was in the correct air space AND!!!!! the plane leaving the ground ( going up) not descending such an attacking missile would be. 

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

The whole bloody country of Iran is one human error as long as those muhllas are dictating life there and keeping magnificent country such as Iran in the dark ages...

 

The foreign country most responsible for Irans present circumstances?:

 

"The secret U.S. overthrow of Mosaddegh served as a rallying point in anti-US protests during the 1979 Iranian Revolution, and to this day he is one of the most popular figures in Iranian history."

 

Legacy

 

Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia

 

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by Enoon

[MaxYakov]

BBC News (hopefully, real) Iran says its military "unintentionally" shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing all 176 people on board, Iran's state TV reports.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51073621

 

"In a tweet on Saturday, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif suggested "US adventurism" was partly to blame for the downing of the Ukrainian jet."

 

Another fabulous quote:

 

"It apologized and said it would upgrade its systems to prevent future tragedies."

 

And Iran wants nuclear weapons? I won't state the obvious except to say that what Iran really needs is a regime change, a real "systems upgrade".

 

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by MaxYakov

[madmen]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

Iran’s airspace was a war zone. Iran just fired two dozen ballistic missiles a few hours earlier against US bases in Iraq, retaliation from the US was expected. Iranian anti-aircraft defense was on high alert, anti-aircraft defense systems, which must intercept targets flying at high speed or at low altitude, require rapid décisions, an operator can easily make a mistake , especially when the alert is at it's highest, why was'nt this flight cancelled?

During initial climb and up to 10000 feet civil aircraft must stay below 250 kts It's. hardly high speed

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

It wouldn’t have happened if that mistake of a human being sitting in the white house  hadn’t assassinated QS.   Blame should be shared equally. Law of unintended consequences. 

Whilst I rather agree that the assassination of Soleimani was the trigger of a series of events which led to this shooting down of a civilian airliner it cannot be blamed on Trump.

 

It is what happens, almost inevitably, when a military force is effectively beyond control of a civil government, and is driven by ideology and religious or political fanaticism. 

 

We shouldn't expect any meaningful action to be taken against the Revolutionary Guards. They answer only to the theocracy which rules Iran. To them, any Muslim victims are martyrs and any unbelievers of no account.

Edited January 11, 2020 by JAG

[MaxYakov]

2 hours ago, Blackheart1916 said:

If it was shot down, then it has to be intentionally.

The "Tactical Mode" switch was in "Tactical" when they thought it was in "Systems Test".

 

RIP poor victims and condolences to their relatives and friends.

 

These kinds of "incidents" can foment revolution, but it probably won't happen in Iran.

 

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by MaxYakov