Popular Post bristolboy Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, sanuk711 said: Well he probably made most of it in the giant stock market gains since Trump came in......... False. Most of his wealth comes from Bloomberg, L.P. his privately owned company. A company he founded himself and managed to grow without a daddy to bail him out of bankruptcy. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, sanuk711 said: Well he probably made most of it in the giant stock market gains since Trump came in......... Well Bloomber sure as heck has more money than Trump. Being President isnt great for business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKr Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, opalred said: a good man that believes in the country and its people at last Let's hope it is not Pearls before Swine. Good luck to Michael ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post donnacha Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 At this stage, Democrats need to focus their energy on 2024. Trump has 2020 in the bag precisely because those ensconced in the mainstream media bubble cannot see past their hatred of him. The majority of voters understand only too well that this contempt for Trump is only a proxy for the profoundly anti-democratic contempt that the elites have for them. This is exactly the same blindness that seized the UK elites over Brexit. Trump has many flaws but has, somehow, managed to deliver on much of what he promised. The performance of the American economy is astonishing, and that matters to those Americans who do not have guaranteed jobs, property, or ample savings. These are the same people who voted for Obama's "Hope" and "Change". You can say that it is all a fluke, that Trump has simply been lucky, or that the economic growth is all thanks to Obama, but none of that matter in electoral terms. As far as most people outside the mainstream media and coastal bubbles are concerned, this bizzare, over-the-top Trump guy has delivered. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Henry Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 A true PATRIOT puts the country and all its people first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Paul Henry said: A true PATRIOT puts the country and all its people first. Sounds like Bloomberg. He'll be president for all the people. 45 is only president of his cult of personality overwhelmingly WHITE base. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, donnacha said: At this stage, Democrats need to focus their energy on 2024. Trump has 2020 in the bag precisely because those ensconced in the mainstream media bubble cannot see past their hatred of him. The majority of voters understand only too well that this contempt for Trump is only a proxy for the profoundly anti-democratic contempt that the elites have for them. This is exactly the same blindness that seized the UK elites over Brexit. Trump has many flaws but has, somehow, managed to deliver on much of what he promised. The performance of the American economy is astonishing, and that matters to those Americans who do not have guaranteed jobs, property, or ample savings. These are the same people who voted for Obama's "Hope" and "Change". You can say that it is all a fluke, that Trump has simply been lucky, or that the economic growth is all thanks to Obama, but none of that matter in electoral terms. As far as most people outside the mainstream media and coastal bubbles are concerned, this bizzare, over-the-top Trump guy has delivered. No. It's not in the bag. Look at the poll numbers. Health care again as in 2018 (BLUE WAVE) will be a top or the top issue. 45 has failed miserably in that. Voters know their only hope to improve that situation which includes retaining and improving Obamacare or hopefully something better is with the democrats in power. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, Nyezhov said: Well Bloomber sure as heck has more money than Trump. Being President isnt great for business. Bloomberg is the real deal. 45 has always been a scam artist. You only need to look at his scam university and the way he screwed Atlantic City with his casinos (how do you fail at casinos!) to understand that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, donnacha said: Trump has 2020 in the bag Demographically things have changed since 2016. Young voters, women and non white participation will made a rather unsure position for Trump. Nevertheless it will be almost a year till election. Big question is whether Trump will court more controversies and legal problems that will put him in a downward spiral. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baansgr Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Jingthing said: Do you have a year? No, and am not really interested. however, Trump and Brexit are deemed bad, bad bad...yet both seem to be what the majority want and both seem to have a positive effect on the economies. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Demographically things have changed since 2016. Young voters, women and non white participation will made a rather unsure position for Trump. Nevertheless it will be almost a year till election. Big question is whether Trump will court more controversies and legal problems that will put him in a downward spiral. Yes and if the white suburban women that made the BLUE WAVE in 2018 hold steady, 45 is finished. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, baansgr said: No, and am not really interested. however, Trump and Brexit are deemed bad, bad bad...yet both seem to be what the majority want and both seem to have a positive effect on the economies. You're incorrect. The majority of Americans (not even close) have never been 45 supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post donnacha Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Demographically things have changed since 2016. Young voters, women and non white participation will made a rather unsure position for Trump. There is some validity to that ... but ... the problem is which Democrat do you see beating him? From the polling I've seen, key demographics - such as soccer moms - are not fond of Trump, they would prefer someone "better", but, when given a choice between, say, Trump and Warren, or Trump and Bernie, they have a good hunch that it will be families like theirs that will end up paying for all their more radical plans. In that sense, Bloomberg has a good point, a more moderate candidate would be more electable ... but ... the base have been placed in such a spin by "Trump Derangement Syndrome" that they can only really get excited about the more extreme candidates. Look at the effect that shafting Bernie had on Hillary's turnout. On paper, Biden seems the safest pick, mainly because his association with Obama gives him the black vote, but are voters going to feel more or less confident about his capabilities after several months of campaigning? You have to bear in mind that Trump is an extraordinarily good campaigner, and genuinely has more energy, more charisma, and, like it or not, a higher operational IQ than any of the Democrats. Edited January 13, 2020 by donnacha 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, donnacha said: There is some validity to that ... but ... the problem is which Democrat do you see beating him? From the polling I've seen, key demographics - such as soccer moms - are not fond of Trump, they would prefer someone "better", but, when given a choice between, say, Trump and Warren, or Trump and Bernie, they have a good hunch that it will be families like theirs that will end up paying for all their more radical plans. In that sense, Bloomberg has a good point, a more moderate candidate would be more electable ... but ... the base have been placed in such a spin by "Trump Derangement Syndrome" that they can only really get excited about the more extreme candidates. Look at the effect that shafting Bernie had on Hillary's turnout. On paper, Biden seems the safest pick, mainly because his association with Obama gives him the black vote, but are voters going to feel more or less confident about his capabilities after several months of campaigning? You have to bear in mind that Trump is an extraordinarily good campaigner, and he genuinely does have more energy, more charisma, and, like it or not, a higher operational IQ than any of the Democrats. The activist democratic party base that dominates primaries is naturally more progressive than democratic voters as a whole. That's why Sanders might be nominated (though I think Warren has been bumped out). HOWEVER democrats in general care about one thing more than any other thing. The best chance to beat 45. Most democrats do NOT think that is Sanders. That's why I think Bloomberg has a real shot. Of course there is always Biden but have you ever seen a weaker so called front runner? I think Bloomberg would match up wonderfully with 45 and it's clear to me that 45 has a well justified inferiority complex when compared to the real billionaire of his old New York neighbor. Bloomberg will make the president look SMALL. Edited January 13, 2020 by Jingthing 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, KKr said: Let's hope it is not Pearls before Swine. Good luck to Michael ! He doesn't need luck. As he says, In God we trust. Everyone else bring data. Bloomberg has wanted to be president for a long time already. It was never the right time before. Now is the right time. Not predicting he will win the nomination, but if nominated I predict a Bloomberg LANDSLIDE. Edited January 13, 2020 by Jingthing 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, baansgr said: No, and am not really interested. however, Trump and Brexit are deemed bad, bad bad...yet both seem to be what the majority want and both seem to have a positive effect on the economies. Here is the proof that the majority doesn't like 45 and of course he didn't even win his one election by a majority. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, baansgr said: Isn't the US economy doing rather well....why so much animosity against Donald Obama inherited near bankrupt economy. Bush left him with having to bail it out as his only first act. If ypu want to give a President credit,only he deserves it. Look at historical data for proof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post phkauf Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 Bloomberg has no chance at securing the Democratic nomination - the progressives hate him for his policies when he ran NYC (as a Republican I might add), the blacks and latinos hate him for his stop and frisk policies as Mayor (which he now says was bad but they are not stupid and don't forget), he has zero personal charisma and is as irascible as Prayut, and wait until all the dirt comes up about the sexual harassment at his company that was settled with non-disclosure agreements. I lived in NYC during his terms as mayor and generally liked the guy, although a little too nanny state minded at times. I think he really did some great things for NYC, but he rubbed A LOT of people the wrong way. I hate to tell people what to do with their money and Bloomberg is very, very philanthropic, but I wish he would spend his money on things like curing diseases or poverty or homelessness than <deleted> it away on political ads and consultants. I read he has already spent over $200 million, just think about what that could accomplish in cancer research or helping the homeless or helping the people addicted to pain meds. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 hours ago, opalred said: a good man that believes in the country and its people at last I stronly support him and have great respect for any person who will admit thier own mistakes. trump has never been truthful. Independent voting for ANYBODY but trump and will support Republican as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, phkauf said: Bloomberg has no chance at securing the Democratic nomination - the progressives hate him for his policies when he ran NYC (as a Republican I might add), the blacks and latinos hate him for his stop and frisk policies as Mayor (which he now says was bad but they are not stupid and don't forget), he has zero personal charisma and is as irascible as Prayut, and wait until all the dirt comes up about the sexual harassment at his company that was settled with non-disclosure agreements. I lived in NYC during his terms as mayor and generally liked the guy, although a little too nanny state minded at times. I think he really did some great things for NYC, but he rubbed A LOT of people the wrong way. I hate to tell people what to do with their money and Bloomberg is very, very philanthropic, but I wish he would spend his money on things like curing diseases or poverty or homelessness than <deleted> it away on political ads and consultants. I read he has already spent over $200 million, just think about what that could accomplish in cancer research or helping the homeless or helping the people addicted to pain meds. You lost me at no chance. He certainly has a decent chance of being nominated. Also as a New Yorker I assume you would agree among the people that know him best, New Yorkers, Bloomberg is much more liked and respected than 45. Another thing about Bloomberg. While I agree it will be a massive challenge to be nominated, IF he manages to do that (and he's passed such political tests before) then I think creaming 45 will be a cakewalk! Edited January 13, 2020 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnacha Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The best chance to beat 45. Most democrats do NOT think that is Sanders. How astute of them ???? 7 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The activist democratic party base that dominates primaries is naturally more progressive than democratic voters as a whole. And democratic voters as a whole are more radical than the swing voters you need to lure away from Trump. That might be a problem. 8 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Of course there is always Biden but have you ever seen a weaker so called front runner? No, I have not. That is essentially my point. None of the leading candidates are the silver bullet you need to take out Trump. The two curveball candidates who could have presented a real challenge to Trump, Yang and Gabbard, were sidelined from the start. 15 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I think Bloomberg would match up wonderfully with 45 and it's clear to me that 45 has a well justified inferiority complex when compared to the real billionaire of his old New York neighbor. Bloomberg will make the president look SMALL. You are measuring the wrong thing. You need to think not in terms of how legitimate you consider their respective fortunes to be but, rather, of the thing that resonates with voters: star power. Trump managed to remain pretty much the biggest name on prime time American TV for over a decade. The entire premise of the show was his canny wisdom and decisive nature ("You're fired!"). You might know who Bloomberg is, especially if you are from the coasts or an avid follower of mayoral politics. For most Americans, however, Bloomberg is just another old white billionaire, and his fellow Democrat candidates are already ripping him apart for that crime. Again, we can talk about how flawed Trump is, we can talk about how much better someone else might be, but none of that is relevant to the question of whether any current candidate could actually beat Trump in the election later this year. For what it is worth, I believe there is one person who, even if introduced at this late stage, would absolutely beat Trump, and another who would have a pretty good shot. Oprah would beat Trump hands down, but was needlessly slighted by the Obamas after she helped them win, and will never be forgiven by the Clinton machine for that betrayal. Michelle Obama would be an extremely partisan president but, in the current climate, it would be almost impossible for anyone campaigning against a black woman. Also, the media would be almost unanimously behind her. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sakeopete Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 Honestly if I was American even a liberal I would still vote for Trump like him or not America's economy is doing great. At the end of the day all those fluff issues liberals hark about mean nothing. A good economy and jobs are what takes care of families. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sakeopete said: Honestly if I was American even a liberal I would still vote for Trump like him or not America's economy is doing great. At the end of the day all those fluff issues liberals hark about mean nothing. A good economy and jobs are what takes care of families. Health care is a fluff issue is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, donnacha said: At this stage, Democrats need to focus their energy on 2024. Trump has 2020 in the bag precisely because those ensconced in the mainstream media bubble cannot see past their hatred of him. The majority of voters understand only too well that this contempt for Trump is only a proxy for the profoundly anti-democratic contempt that the elites have for them. This is exactly the same blindness that seized the UK elites over Brexit. Trump has many flaws but has, somehow, managed to deliver on much of what he promised. The performance of the American economy is astonishing, and that matters to those Americans who do not have guaranteed jobs, property, or ample savings. These are the same people who voted for Obama's "Hope" and "Change". You can say that it is all a fluke, that Trump has simply been lucky, or that the economic growth is all thanks to Obama, but none of that matter in electoral terms. As far as most people outside the mainstream media and coastal bubbles are concerned, this bizzare, over-the-top Trump guy has delivered. If that is true please explain the 52 to 58 DIS approval, continuously . I am 100% sure he will LOSE. He has NOT delivered and only made America the laughing stock of the WORLD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, donnacha said: How astute of them ???? And democratic voters as a whole are more radical than the swing voters you need to lure away from Trump. That might be a problem. No, I have not. That is essentially my point. None of the leading candidates are the silver bullet you need to take out Trump. The two curveball candidates who could have presented a real challenge to Trump, Yang and Gabbard, were sidelined from the start. You are measuring the wrong thing. You need to think not in terms of how legitimate you consider their respective fortunes to be but, rather, of the thing that resonates with voters: star power. Trump managed to remain pretty much the biggest name on prime time American TV for over a decade. The entire premise of the show was his canny wisdom and decisive nature ("You're fired!"). You might know who Bloomberg is, especially if you are from the coasts or an avid follower of mayoral politics. For most Americans, however, Bloomberg is just another old white billionaire, and his fellow Democrat candidates are already ripping him apart for that crime. Again, we can talk about how flawed Trump is, we can talk about how much better someone else might be, but none of that is relevant to the question of whether any current candidate could actually beat Trump in the election later this year. For what it is worth, I believe there is one person who, even if introduced at this late stage, would absolutely beat Trump, and another who would have a pretty good shot. Oprah would beat Trump hands down, but was needlessly slighted by the Obamas after she helped them win, and will never be forgiven by the Clinton machine for that betrayal. Michelle Obama would be an extremely partisan president but, in the current climate, it would be almost impossible for anyone campaigning against a black woman. Also, the media would be almost unanimously behind her. Wow. You really bought his propaganda. I've got news for you. The majority of Americans are in support of his impeachment. The emperor has no clothes and he is definitely beatable. Yes even Sanders could beat him but I want a landslide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said: If that is true please explain the 52 to 58 DIS approval, continuously . I am 100% sure he will LOSE. He has NOT delivered and only made America the laughing stock of the WORLD No he could win because of the structure of the electoral college and insidious suppression of minority voters. Of course there is ZERO chance he will win the majority of votes but alas that doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Nyezhov said: Naw dude, its just the same old urban vs rural, elites vs regulars, Coast vs Heartland, etc. No biggy. The anti Trumpers will get over it as the USA proceeds to move forward. Once 2020 comes and Trump gets relected and the Congress goes Repub, watch how things go gangbusters then. Bloomberg is actually an accomplished guy even though he has some silly political positions. He did a good job in NYC, although he now has to apologize for the unwoke things he did. That being said, if it was him against the rest of the Dem field, he would be the only one I would distastefully pull the levers for, since ideological purity has to go bye bye some times. In point of fact, he is the best candidate against Trump in the Dem field in terms of the electorate as a whole. But the socialists dont like him, he cant compete with Trump vis a vis the black/"latino" vote, and hes boring and whiny. Alot of what your saying is ok. That idea Congress is going Republican is reason though to think you have no real insightfulness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnacha Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Health care is a fluff issue is it? In a good economy, more people have jobs, workers can demand better coverage, more money is available for research and new treatments. I have spent time in countries with nation health systems. It all sounds great on paper but, if you have a real problem, you discover that the political priorities are wildly different from your priorities as a patient. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post donnacha Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said: If that is true please explain the 52 to 58 DIS approval, continuously . I am 100% sure he will LOSE. I was hearing the same thing before the 2016 election. It doesn't matter how much you, personally, hate, or how much all your friends agree, or how much all the websites you choose to read agree. All that matters is what happens when real Americans - the ones who don't spend their time fuming about politics and angrily submitting online polls - go to the ballot box and decide who they trust to not tank the economy. Just to be clear, I respect your opinion and am not saying you are clueless, even though you did manage to misspell the word "California" in your username. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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