'I'm spending all my money to get rid of Trump': Michael Bloomberg

[Cryingdick]

10 hours ago, donnacha said:

I was hearing the same thing before the 2016 election.

It doesn't matter how much you, personally, hate, or how much all your friends agree, or how much all the websites you choose to read agree.

All that matters is what happens when real Americans - the ones who don't spend their time fuming about politics and angrily submitting online polls - go to the ballot box and decide who they trust to not tank the economy.

Just to be clear, I respect your opinion and am not saying you are clueless, even though you did manage to misspell the word "California" in your username.

 

 

Well the only problem with this is that many of the miners, UAW, gas workers etc. might be too busy learning to code to get out and vote. 

[bendejo]

10 hours ago, donnacha said:

it would be almost impossible for anyone campaigning against a black woman

Tell that to this black woman

 

 

[Cryingdick]

Bloomberg is DOA as is Biden or whoever else as soon as they come to the rust belt and say they will kill jobs. This is the only thing that matters in those states. Bloomberg is more opinionated about the environment than Biden. But as soon as you come in promising to kill 6 figure jobs you aren't going to go very far.

[bendejo]

5 hours ago, sirineou said:

Vote on a Sunday when people are off from work.

Great idea, that's what they do in Brazil.  Also it is against the law not to vote, I'm guessing the punishment is a fine; regardless the people take it quite seriously.

I also like Thailand's rule that if the turnout for an election is under a certain percentage the results are thrown out.  A snowball's chance in hell the GOP in the U.S. will let any kind of rules like these come into play!

 

 

[Cryingdick]

26 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Great idea, that's what they do in Brazil.  Also it is against the law not to vote, I'm guessing the punishment is a fine; regardless the people take it quite seriously.

I also like Thailand's rule that if the turnout for an election is under a certain percentage the results are thrown out.  A snowball's chance in hell the GOP in the U.S. will let any kind of rules like these come into play!

 

 

 

Any law requiring a citizen to vote would be struck down as it is unconstitutional. Brazil? Really Brazil??? I don't think they offer any example for the USA to follow. 

 

If you want people to vote give them the day off to do it unpaid. 

 

Other than that the title of the thread should be 'I'm spending a tiny tiny part of my over all wealth to try and beat Trump.'

Edited January 13, 2020 by Cryingdick

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Monomial said:

The American electorate are angry. You need to put someone up against Trump that people feel will give Washington the finger. That is the candidate who will win. Political philosophy is mattering much less on the ground than perceived allegiances towards the establishment.

[howbri]

A fool and his money are soon parted. Dream on Mikey, you're wasting your money. Put it where it will do some good. Trump in a landslide. You !@#$  %^& haven't figured out the American people yet and probably never will. We don't want your socialism, globalism, communism, anti-American, unconstitutional agenda.

[earlinclaifornia]

11 hours ago, donnacha said:

Pretty much all politicians who achieve high office in any country are. You need the ability to persuade a wide range of people to do your bidding and, then, later, to discard them without a thought.

Obama's treatment of Oprah is a case in point.

Read any non-sycophantic biography to find countless other well-documented examples.


 

You totally lost me thier. Unfollowed you but I'm sure you care less. Lets us meet up when the election is over please to see which of us really understood correctly.

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

He is the champion of the common man millionaire stock trader. It is so funny they hate billionaires and other than maybe having one be their nominee his particular field is the stock market. For whatever reason the lefties hate the stock market.

"He is the champion of the common man millionaire stock trader. It is so funny they hate billionaires and other than maybe having one be their nominee his particular field is the stock market. For whatever reason the lefties hate the stock market."

 

What in god's name is the "common man millionaire stock trader?" No, lefties don't hate the stock market. They just understand that it's not a good way to gauge the economy. When taxes on dividends are reduced and corporations spend most of their repatriated money on stock buybacks, of course stocks are going to rise. But what does that have to do with the economy at large?

[Monomial]

Be careful when citing polls.

 

The whole Brexit situation (and even the 2016 election) is actually very instructive on the polling bias inherent in people. Much of the mainstream media is so anti-Trump right now, that when confronted with questions about support, many will automatically censor their real views because they feel intimidated. People are social creatures, and don't want to feel that they aren't part of the group.

 

This self censorship continues right up until the curtain closes on the polling booth, and at that point, free from the fear of intimidation, they cast their real vote, which may not necessarily agree with the poll. This is what happened with the election in 2016, it is what happened with Brexit, and it boggles my mind how people think this trend isn't also happening now. There is going to be an anti-Trump bias of several percentage points in the polls because of this media intimidation factor.

 

It is sad the American culture has degenerated to this point, but it is important to keep the effect in mind. When you ridicule someone for their values and beliefs, they don't actually change their beliefs. They simply don't admit to them anymore.

 

It is for this reason that my money is still on Trump for a 2020 victory. I don't see anyone who supported Trump in 2020 actually changing their vote. They just won't admit this in public.

 

[meechai]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're incorrect. The majority of Americans (not even close) have never been 45 supporters.  

How long has it been since you actually lived & worked in America?

 

Because folks who say things like you just did seem to live elsewhere or get their info from polls or

MSM type agencies.

 

Living & working in the USA you tend to hear something quite different than what your claiming to be true

 

Please don't misinterpret that as praise for any politician as most I know hate them all ????

 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, meechai said:

How long has it been since you actually lived & worked in America?

 

Because folks who say things like you just did seem to live elsewhere or get their info from polls or

MSM type agencies.

 

Living & working in the USA you tend to hear something quite different than what your claiming to be true

 

Please don't misinterpret that as praise for any politician as most I know hate them all ????

 

Well, right wingers are fond of saying that the only polls you can trust are actual elections. In 2016 Trump came in second in the popular vote. In the 2018 midterms, Democrats had an 8% edge over Republicans in total votes. What evidence do you have to offer that Trump is actually favored by a majority of Americans?

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, right wingers are fond of saying that the only polls you can trust are actual elections. In 2016 Trump came in second in the popular vote. In the 2018 midterms, Democrats had an 8% edge over Republicans in total votes. What evidence do you have to offer that Trump is actually favored by a majority of Americans?

What evidence do you have that he's not? Midterms were not for president.

I'll bet Trump gets larger crowds at his rally's than Bloomberg does.

[Cryingdick]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What evidence do you have that he's not? Midterms were not for president.

I'll bet Trump gets larger crowds at his rally's than Bloomberg does.

 

There are so many Americans that don't vote it is actually disingenuous to claim any majority one way or the other. Bloomberg rallied in Austin and San Antonio earlier. The reports were he had several hundred in Austin which is a liberal enclave and substantially less at some taco place in SA.

 

One avid supporter approached Bloomberg and Mike just muttered something under his breath about Texas and the size of the supporters soft drink and how his tax would be larger than the drink itself.

Edited January 14, 2020 by Cryingdick

[Cryingdick]

In all seriousness though he attracted several hundred.

[Eric Loh]

15 hours ago, donnacha said:

There is some validity to that ... but ... the problem is which Democrat do you see beating him?

From the polling I've seen, key demographics - such as soccer moms - are not fond of Trump, they would prefer someone "better", but, when given a choice between, say, Trump and Warren, or Trump and Bernie, they have a good hunch that it will be families like theirs that will end up paying for all their more radical plans.

In that sense, Bloomberg has a good point, a more moderate candidate would be more electable ... but ... the base have been placed in such a spin by "Trump Derangement Syndrome" that they can only really get excited about the more extreme candidates. Look at the effect that shafting Bernie had on Hillary's turnout.

On paper, Biden seems the safest pick, mainly because his association with Obama gives him the black vote, but are voters going to feel more or less confident about his capabilities after several months of campaigning?

You have to bear in mind that Trump is an extraordinarily good campaigner, and genuinely has more energy, more charisma, and, like it or not, a higher operational IQ than any of the Democrats.

 

IMO Sander stand the best chance to beat Trump for 2 reasons. The consistent controversies of Trump has worn off some of his supporters especially the female and youth. Sander is seen as the real deal and he is simply the opposite of non statesman persona and lying Trump. His vice choice will be critical. Buttigieg who is a young intelligent moderate will be a good pick if they can put their differences aside. 
 

IMHO 2 factors may go against Trump’s electability. The economy is teetering precariously towards a huge correction. Consumer debts and over leveraging on credit cards and mortgages are at its tipping point. More than half the population has no to little saving for any mild emergencies. Wall Street looks pretty based on QE fiat money and is piling up and the bubble may burst anytime. Meanwhile the world economy is still in a very bad shape.
 

The other factors that I briefly mentioned is Trump’s fatigue. There will be those who are simply tired of him stirring up endless controversies and corruptions that will sit out this election. On the other hand, it energized the other side to come out to vote which they didn’t in last election because of the Hillary factor. The farmers who were hurt by the trade wars and the evangelicals who starting to feel uncomfortable with his poor morality and ethics will be a wild card.

 

All said, Trump electability in 2020 is not a sure bet. 

[spidermike007]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Are you joking? 45 has almost no support among African Americans and is weak with Latinos as well. 

And why would he have much support amongst these groups? One can surmise by his behavior, policies and attitude, that he does not like anyone who is of color. Especially those who are not rich. Bloomberg would wipe him out, when it comes to minority voters. 

[lannarebirth]

What a crock of <deleted>. As much money as Bloomberg has spent to subvert America's democracy, he has made more than he has spent in the same time period.

[spidermike007]

11 hours ago, donnacha said:

No, the modern authoritarian left have turned all such definitions on their head.

When I was a student, it was we left-wingers who defended freedom of speech and thought as being absolutely essential to democracy, freedom, and civilization.

We left-wingers had no desire to tell people how to eat or to place regressive taxes on goods predominantly purchased by the poor.

We would have been horrified by the idea of forcing out scientists who refused to change their research findings because they did not fit into a particular idealogical narrative.

We would have listened carefully if a legendary feminist such as Germaine Greer expressed a sincere thought, even if it did not fit smoothly with our own ideas.

We had the humility to know that we did not have all the answers. We read broadly, and would stay up all night discussing ideas, even with people of different political stripes. We would express ourselves openly, without the fear that our words might leave us ostracized.

We would not wear masks and physically attack people queuing to attend a talk. We would not phone in bomb threats. We would not threaten to burn down venues hosting speakers with whom we did not agree. We would not use a bicycle lock to smash the skull of someone with different opinions, while naming ourselves Antifa (Anti-fascista). 

We would have seen all the behaviors of today's authoritarian left as traits of the most extreme right-wingers.

What you call left-wing today is, actually, the re-emergence of Facism, in the only form in which it could have re-emerged.

 

I find myself agreeing with part of what you said. The kowtowing, and political correctness is ugly, weak, and pathetic. But, I tend to disagree with the broad label of left-winger, ultra liberal, liberal, leftist, socialist, etc. used to describe all democrats these days. I am a moderate, centrist democrat, and quite proud of that. Labeling me a leftist is rather inane, divisive, hateful, and highly unproductive. It is a bit of a tar and feather approach, popular amongst many of the equally extreme and divisive people on the right side of the spectrum.

 

I do think the whole LGBT has gotten way out of hand. I am an open minded guy and have a number of gay and lesbian friends I really like and respect. But, allowing a trans guy into a women's locker room in high school? Allowing men to compete in women's sports, due to a choice they have made about their sexuality? Doesn't that seem a bit over the top? Go ahead and call me politically incorrect. For me, that is a huge badge of honor. And I wear that badge proudly. 

[rabas]

3 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

You totally lost me thier. Unfollowed you but I'm sure you care less. Lets us meet up when the election is over please to see which of us really understood correctly.

What he meant was "If you like your politician, you can keep your politician."

[bristolboy]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What evidence do you have that he's not? Midterms were not for president.

I'll bet Trump gets larger crowds at his rally's than Bloomberg does.

AndI guess the 2016 elections weren't for President either? Because if you're going to deny that the 2018 elections Trump wasn't a factor, then all you've got left is 2016. And as for polling, what does the radical leftist Fox News Poll show?

[Jingthing]

A survey to consider. 

I took it and it turns out the candidate that I most agree with is:

MIKE BLOOMBERG!

Also close were Biden, Buttigeig, Klobuchar, and Yang.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/

[Cryingdick]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I find myself agreeing with part of what you said. The kowtowing, and political correctness is ugly, weak, and pathetic. But, I tend to disagree with the broad label of left-winger, ultra liberal, liberal, leftist, socialist, etc. used to describe all democrats these days. I am a moderate, centrist democrat, and quite proud of that. Labeling me a leftist is rather inane, divisive, hateful, and highly unproductive. It is a bit of a tar and feather approach, popular amongst many of the equally extreme and divisive people on the right side of the spectrum.

 

I do think the whole LGBT has gotten way out of hand. I am an open minded guy and have a number of gay and lesbian friends I really like and respect. But, allowing a trans guy into a women's locker room in high school? Allowing men to compete in women's sports, due to a choice they have made about their sexuality? Doesn't that seem a bit over the top? Go ahead and call me politically incorrect. For me, that is a huge badge of honor. And I wear that badge proudly. 

 

It doesn't work that way. You are either fully woke or a pariah. It isn't a combo meal where you can choose your preferences. You are with the program or you aren't. As Corey Booker said "you need to know the flavor of the kool aid you are dipping in".

 

When people like Castro virtue signal by bringing up the weirdest things like providing abortions to transexuals for free you are supposed to embrace it wholeheartedly.

 

Now I am not against transexuals having abortions but most people just say abortions because that's all the issue involves. There is no place for anybody that doesn't fall in line. 

 

I am gay and if you don't follow the rantings hook, line and sinker you are labelled a traitor to the resistance. They really think they are some sort of resistance. You would think we were all holed up in Anne Frank's attic and don't dare go outside in day light. 

 

 

That is the inherent moral poverty of Neo-liberalism.

Edited January 14, 2020 by Cryingdick

[earlinclaifornia]

On 1/13/2020 at 6:43 PM, donnacha said:

Hillary was probably the worse choice of presidential candidate in over a century. I would agree that it was more a case of Hillary losing 2016 rather than Trump actually winning it.

Kellyanne Conway was the first female general election campaign manager in US history. She did a good job in difficult and unpredictable circumstances. Amazing how American feminists don't seem to be celebrating her achievement.

No one "corralled" the electoral college. They merely insisted that the electors honored the intention of the voters, which was to return a Republican president.

Are you seriously saying that the Democrats would not do the same? Have you forgotten how many arms the Clinton campaign twisted during the primaries to divert support intended for Bernie.

Russia? Seriously?

Have you really no awareness that the entire Russia narrative collapsed in on itself and actually helped Trump?

Regular people aren't dumb. The same as with all the gymnastics around Brexit in the UK, people saw through the machinations and, when it came time to vote, punished all the players who had sought to subvert their democratic will.

This nonsense might play well on TV panels and in the opinion pieces, but the vast majority of people have no patience for it.


 

Just replying to your "Russia? Seriously?"

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/nyt-russians-hacked-burisma-ukrainian-gas-company-at-center-of-impeachment-76688965844

[metempsychotic]

37 million on television, hes already lost.

 

Social media is the way to win in todays world, trump has already proved that.

 

Targeted information tailored for the recipient, not mass broadcast campaigns.

 

Create different realities for each target group, aand as they dont see what you are telling others, they never really know how many narratives you are spinning.

[CharlieH]

Reported Troll post removed.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, metempsychotic said:

37 million on television, hes already lost.

 

Social media is the way to win in todays world, trump has already proved that.

 

Targeted information tailored for the recipient, not mass broadcast campaigns.

 

Create different realities for each target group, aand as they dont see what you are telling others, they never really know how many narratives you are spinning.

How has he already lost?

He just got started.

Sure all competitive candidates have a social media campaign.

Are you seriously suggesting that won't be a part of the Bloomberg campaign? Do you imagine that he's some kind of political novice?

As far as targeting information, well that can mean lying, and boy oh boy is 45 a rich target to expose the realities of his record to his own base. Promises made. Promises broken. Now that's a message to get out there!

 

Quote

Trump has betrayed his voters

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/14/trump-has-betrayed-his-voters/

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

A survey to consider. 

I took it and it turns out the candidate that I most agree with is:

MIKE BLOOMBERG!

Also close were Biden, Buttigeig, Klobuchar, and Yang.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/

Oh my!  I took it and it came out Warren!

Or did they know I've had a librarian-look fetish ever since I first saw The Big Sleep?

 

I was afraid it would come up Gabbard, then I'd have to change my handle to bendejovich.

Bye-bye Cory.  I'd hear him on the talk shows, and afterwards the only thing I could remember is he said "pain" a lot.  I guess he dropped out when he did because he realized he didn't have the bus fare to get to the debates.

 

 

[Jingthing]

What I like the most about that survey is that shows how close ALL the democratic candidates are. The party really isn't very badly split. Bernie lovers should have no problem being OK with Biden. etc. etc. Eyes on the prize. 45 out!

[englishoak]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What I like the most about that survey is that shows how close ALL the democratic candidates are. The party really isn't very badly split. Bernie lovers should have no problem being OK with Biden. etc. etc. Eyes on the prize. 45 out!

 

Or Orange man bad, uh huh ...impeach 45 blah blah... the usual just Dems naval gazing and not going to win diddly squat new voters imo, meanwhile Trump is gathering more and more of the black and Latino block and swathes of immigrant hard studying conservative second generation, business owners with V moral and family values....eg Asians who have left communist disaster zones are being overlooked, they work hard, like to spend like lower taxes even more and vote overwhelmingly conservative.   

 

Just dont see anything currently slowing Trumps growing popularity and hold on the Whitehouse for another 4.