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10 hours ago, rodpav said:

I went there in 2004 was a great laid back place 

wasn't it just. nice beach, spread out far and wide,could find half decent food, cold beer.

perfect place to spend a few hour at the beach with a few tinnies and a decent selection of watering holes. was like 3 towns in one.

gone forever.

glad i saw it in 2006, 2007, 2009.

hate to see it now, going by reports.

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Good news. Hordes of Chinese tourists is one thing, but all this taking over of cities ain't right.

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..they have legal gambling casinos in Hong Kong & Macau. why go to Cambodia to gamble?

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On 1/14/2020 at 10:15 AM, VocalNeal said:

Because all the money goes offshore?

 

Because the machines are in Cambodia but the actual money and payouts go to/come from somewhere else.

Yes indeed, mainland China, Macau and Hong Kong. Possibly why Huawei is laying a new under sea telecommunications cable between Sihanoukville and Hong Kong (money business center). May now be a "bad move" by the company. 

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On 1/14/2020 at 9:44 AM, gk10002000 said:

72 casinos had sprung up?  What a way to ruin a nice area

It's the Thai coffee shop phenomenon 

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On 1/14/2020 at 4:17 PM, VBF said:

It was still a great place in 2013 but since then, "Snooky" has been decimated by the building, mainly casinos for Chinese.   There are several threads running on TV about it - do a search.

Now it would seem that much of it was in vain and it's become a "lose-lose" situation. Sad.

HUH: it was ok in 2008/09 ( at least Otres was when papa john lived there)  by 2015 it was heading to <deleted>, a poor mans pattaya with the hill for the really down an out drinkers.

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5 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

HUH: it was ok in 2008/09 ( at least Otres was when papa john lived there)  by 2015 it was heading to <deleted>, a poor mans pattaya with the hill for the really down an out drinkers.

Ah, well I first saw it in 2011 so to me it was still good in 2013 but doubtless it was better before then.

 

Like Phuket, which was magic in 1989 but by 2008 was ruined even after the post-Tsunami repairs...as I'm sure you know! 😖 

It all depends when you first visited a place as to how your "scale of ruination" runs - the old "I remember when blah blah" conversation.

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7 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

It's the Thai coffee shop phenomenon 

Yeah, 7-11, family mart.  Five of each on the same street and in view of each other.

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8 hours ago, VBF said:

Ah, well I first saw it in 2011 so to me it was still good in 2013 but doubtless it was better before then.

 

Like Phuket, which was magic in 1989 but by 2008 was ruined even after the post-Tsunami repairs...as I'm sure you know! 😖 

It all depends when you first visited a place as to how your "scale of ruination" runs - the old "I remember when blah blah" conversation.

I dont find phuket ruined at all and i have been here since 85, yea more tourist, more traffic,bit more expensive but more shopping venues, better selection of things,etc etc.

 

 

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7 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

I dont find phuket ruined at all and i have been here since 85, yea more tourist, more traffic,bit more expensive but more shopping venues, better selection of things,etc etc.

 

 

I think we've agreed to differ on that before. What I saw in Phuket when I first arrived was a virtually unspoilt tropical island where you had to make an effort to get around.

It was an adventure to get from (say) Patong to Kamala or Surin. As a Hasher there was loads of undeveloped "jungle" to explore.  Sitting on the bus going over the hill from Patong into Phuket town, the view was of green jungle down to a strip of beach, then ocean. THAT's the Phuket I miss, plus you must agree that the attitudes are way less friendly plus it's hardly a bit more expensive - I would say way more expensive.

Different perspectives, I suppose.

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On 1/14/2020 at 10:11 AM, scubascuba3 said:

If online gambling is banned how does that impact the casinos in <deleted>sville?

 

This is a good question. Not obvious at first, but there are really 2 things at play here.

 

1) As has already been stated, much of online gambling was simply money laundering. The cut the casinos got from this paid for a lot of waste that went into maintaining the image of a thriving business to hide the obviousness of the real source of money.  Even in Cambodia, you at least need some kind of a fiction as a cover story for why you are depositing 2 pallets of cash that came in on a shipping container.

 

2) Much of the space and employment in these casinos was not used for physical gambling. Agents would lease out huge rooms and video equipment directly to people in China. Unlike what Westerners think of as online gambling, Chinese online gambling is more like camgirls, barely dressed and showing their cards among their other assets. The staff would be imported from China, housed at the casino hotel, and entire floors with nothing more than girls standing in front of empty tables with video cameras would be devoted to this business. The independent Chinese agents running these services may never even visit Cambodia. They'd just lease the space and the license from a Snookyville casino. The casinos actually made the vast majority of their legal money from rental fees from these agents. Kill online gambling, and there is just no way physical gambling in the pit can take up all the supply of space.

 

 

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On 1/14/2020 at 11:05 AM, ThomasThBKK said:

and the lives of all locals there that are now left with nothing but unfinished worthless construction projects, empty casinos and destroyed beaches and nature that will prolly never recover. At least the expats there can just move on...

 

And yes, that's the reason why i don't like chinese, indian or whatever mass tourism and thailand should be damn serious about waking the fak up and making it here more sustaintable or the same will happen.

Yeah, after all there's only 2.7bn of them, or 43% of the worlds population. The top economy and the fastest rising.

 

Who needs 'em?

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On 1/16/2020 at 7:31 AM, anicon said:

..they have legal gambling casinos in Hong Kong & Macau. why go to Cambodia to gamble?

Not in Hong Kong, Macao yes.

 

There's a limit on how many are allowed in each day, around 14.5k.

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On 1/15/2020 at 2:14 AM, jastheace said:

wasn't it just. nice beach, spread out far and wide,could find half decent food, cold beer.

perfect place to spend a few hour at the beach with a few tinnies and a decent selection of watering holes. was like 3 towns in one.

gone forever.

glad i saw it in 2006, 2007, 2009.

hate to see it now, going by reports.

From the sound of it, could become a desirable destination again. I'd suggest all the prices for accommodation and food would come down.

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