Popular Post Tops Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, webfact said: The outlook for 2020 according to the minister is even rosier. He thinks that 11.5 to 12 million Chinese will come spending up to 600 billion baht - up from last year's 550 billion. Indian arrivals are expected to be 2.2 million and their total spend is expected to rise from 8.5 billion to 9.2 billion in 2020. Just did some calculations. - The average Chinese will spend 50,000 THB in Thailand. What will flow back in the Chinese economy. - The average Indian will spend 4,182 THB in Thailand. Those numbers include hotels, restaurants, travel expenses, excursions, food, drinks, prostitutes and entertainment... The lich Indians are velly welcome. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hayduke Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, webfact said: Thai tourism: Free visa is the answer for yet more Chinese and Indians in 2020 Brilliant…absolutely brilliant. Hundreds of thousands of Indian billionaires are eagerly waiting for an opportunity to visit Thailand…but are put off by the cost of a visa. Eliminating this cost will clearly solve the problem once and for all. Once again, keen, insightful, and bold Thai tourism analytics saves the day. Edited January 14, 2020 by Hayduke 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post madmitch Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Yinn said: Tourist x2 in that time. So boring these “TVF Tourist not come to thailand anymore” stories. 39 million last year. Most ever. More people are staying Airbnb/ private villa. So the big rich hotel owner complain a lot. But the “small” people with a villa or condo now take the business. IMO i like it. Some place, like Pattaya, in industry area will pollution is less popular. but beautiful Kao Lak etc more busy. Yinn you are right. But the big difference is in the number of nights spent in the country, Chinese and Indians come for four or five days, Malaysians and Singaporeans even less. Europeans are more likely to be here for two weeks or more. So you need three Chinese tourist to replace one visitor from Sweden in real terms. The Russians are the ones bucking this trend; they are long stayers..................but very low spenders. Airbnb room numbers are tiny in comparison to hotel and guesthouse rooms. Yes, they have hit the hotel trade in a small way but it's not the reason many are struggling to fill rooms; that's down to what I said above: arrivals might be up but accommodation nights are definitely not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howiehotspur Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 In less than 20 years Thailand will be part of China anyway .. just like Cambodia will be in 10 years .. you reap what you sowc as for the Indians the locals would rather they weren’t here , as to what they get out of them financially.. example just this morning when I was trying to park my bike ( Pattaya ) they are arguing with a bath bus driver regarding the 10 bht travel cost , to go up the road .. insisting for that price and as there were 6 of them the driver should take them ‘ off route ‘ to their hotel ( I think that was the jist of it anyway ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post superal Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, spiekerjozef said: thanks, anything but the moaning brits. Got a chip on your shoulder ? Hiding behind the computer , get a life 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moir Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 hours ago, ChipButty said: Free Beer is a better idea Yeah then the Chinese would have a bottle each instead of 1 bottle between 4 and 4 straws! ???? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, Christie Paul said: Observing the management of tourism is like watching a taxi being driven by a Kangaroo. Nope, because the taxi will go forward and get somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thecyclist Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 Why not grant them a 30 day exemption like most other nationality? Sure some of them will overstay and look for employment, but they can do that on VOA. Get rid of that useless red tape and shorten the queues at the airport. Make traveling more convenient and pleasant for tourists. But I guess this is just not the Thai way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) Sounds like the exact same plan as 3 months ago.. Probably next month its all about the MICE visitors again which was the plan 6 month ago. In 2 months time the new plan will be big spending first timers..Then how about The Norwegians Rinse repeat. Since expats are leaving than why would tourists be interested coming? Edited January 14, 2020 by Destiny1990 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Traubert Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, dave moir said: Yeah then the Chinese would have a bottle each instead of 1 bottle between 4 and 4 straws! ???? You're getting your racist stereotypes mixed up there mate. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, madmitch said: Yinn you are right. But the big difference is in the number of nights spent in the country, Chinese and Indians come for four or five days, Malaysians and Singaporeans even less. Europeans are more likely to be here for two weeks or more. So you need three Chinese tourist to replace one visitor from Sweden in real terms. The Russians are the ones bucking this trend; they are long stayers..................but very low spenders. Airbnb room numbers are tiny in comparison to hotel and guesthouse rooms. Yes, they have hit the hotel trade in a small way but it's not the reason many are struggling to fill rooms; that's down to what I said above: arrivals might be up but accommodation nights are definitely not. Chinese average stay for a foreign holiday is 9.4 days according to their MOFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsleyman Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 somebody will have to tell the street vendors in Soi Buakhao to stock up with charcoal and kebabs on sticks for the expected influx of Indians 55555555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene1960 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, Yinn said: Some place, like Pattaya, in industry area will pollution is less popular. but beautiful Kao Lak etc Very true. Kao Lak and Natai are busy this season. Many French, German and Russian couples and families are seen there. In Boat Lagoon the speedboat and powercat operators have adapted to the changed demographic and cater to the Russian and Chinese customers. There are even Russian and Ukrainian managers among the staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chongalulu Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Assurancetourix said: What is strange is that the nationals of many European countries are entitled to 30 days "free of charge" for many years and curiously are less and less likely to come on vacation in Thailand. Could the disastrous baht price have anything to do with it? without forgetting to speak the often harsh reception from Thai traders, very many road accidents, tourist boats which sink for lack of maintenance, etc., etc ...? I used to think that through their education system they came up a bit short on the critical thinking skills. But I was being too generous and after numerous similarly daft initiatives,an examination of IQ by country and their place in the PISA educational tables I now realise there is a THICK GENE. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yinn Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gene1960 said: Very true. Kao Lak and Natai are busy this season. Many French, German and Russian couples and families are seen there. In Boat Lagoon the speedboat and powercat operators have adapted to the changed demographic and cater to the Russian and Chinese customers. There are even Russian and Ukrainian managers among the staff. Yes. i go Khok Kloi (near Natai) yesterday. Caucasion and Chinese tourists so many. I never see like that in Khok Kloi before. Like a tourist town now. A new airport coming soon also near Khoi kloi/Natai. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaiyaTH Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I guess the Indians and Chinese won't care about the pollution either, they are used to it back home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Cmon cmon we can do better than that.... Give em 60 days free visas, free food, free booze and lets get the whole of Calcutta singing Hare Krishna down Soi 6..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Aspaltso Posted January 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) I am only speaking on behalf of myself in regards to the opinion I will lay out here. Me as a westerner am a bit disappointed by the "throwing ourselves to India, and China routine", but its to be expected. It's 2020, and China, and India are the 2 biggest developing economies in the world, so its no wonder the Thai authorities would try to appease them. The most disappointing part as a westerner whose lived off and on in Thailand over a period of 11 years is that is many of the problems with tourism(lack of safety, scams, overpricing, human trafficking, etc.) are still not being taken care of. On top of that, the poor of Thailand will continue to bear more of the burden as has always been the case, and the whole process will repeat itself with a new demographic of tourist, and in 20 years time there will be Indian, and Chinese expats in Thailand griping about the same exact things we are now. Edited January 14, 2020 by Aspaltso 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crickets Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 This year in Pattaya there is noticeably many more Indians than ever. Why not encourage more to come? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why Me Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Another somewhat paradoxical matter with spending vis a vis tourists from rich countries vs. developing. A middle class two-income US family probably does one maybe two foreign trips a year. They may mix it up with cruises, Europe, Asia, LatAm, etc. So they've got a budget for each trip. On the other hand, for most middle-class Indians a foreign trip is something they've planned/dreamed/saved for years. Probably, once in a lifetime thing. So, they're here to blow their wad. And get on every selfie-worthy ride and their return baggage limit filled with whatever they can get their hands on. It might not be surprising then that the average Indian spends more per day here than the average American. And here it is the data which says China and South Asian tourists do outspend per day Europeans and Americans: http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 hours ago, GalaxyMan said: More pulling numbers out of their a.s.s.e.s. SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Grasping at straws to try to get any tourist into Thailand. Yesterdays dismal report regarding hotel bookings etc is a sign things have got to change more than free entry to view the same old rubbish. It's like white washing the front door but when you step in nothings changed it's still 50's style! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Thai Hand Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Thailand gave Russians a visa waiver and that decision was responsible for the growth of the Russian mafia in Thailand. They should not make the same mistake with any other country. Free visa is not something you can walk back easily, once granted. You will lose control of who is inside your borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAArdvark Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Who honestly would not go to a place and worry about the visa cost unless it was unusually expensive. Maybe something to grease the wheels and make the entry easier? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupermarineS6B Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, spiekerjozef said: thanks, anything but the moaning brits. Oooh, i won't ask you where you're from as it probably doesn't matter or ever has done....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone223 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SupermarineS6B said: won't ask you where you're from #1 guess is zat he iz a zerman. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUFC Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, noone223 said: #1 guess is zat he iz a zerman. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Yeah, I guess what's keeping all the billionaire Indians from coming is the cost of the visa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Yinn said: Tourist x2 in that time. So boring these “TVF Tourist not come to thailand anymore” stories. 39 million last year. Most ever. More people are staying Airbnb/ private villa. So the big rich hotel owner complain a lot. But the “small” people with a villa or condo now take the business. IMO i like it. Some place, like Pattaya, in industry area will pollution is less popular. but beautiful Kao Lak etc more busy. Yinn, there is no questioning that tourism has increased in their numbers. This has been caused by demographic changes, more people able to travel for much less, large countries allowing people to travel more freely, race/country specific targeting by TAT. It is however a complete change in Thai tourism as to how to cater for the 'targeted' tourist, almost an entire new infrastructure to cater for the Chinese visitors and more recently another change for the increase in Indian visitors. On the flip side, the tourism of the western countries seems to have been ignored to a degree by TAT, no mention of incentives going that way it seems. Add to that the increase in reported incidents at the major air entry points regarding tourists being turned away/refused entry by IO's formatting rules on the fly, to me anyway it is apparent there is no coordination between immigration & the Thai tourist authority. On this point I understand that the majority of refusals is towards 'long stayers' gaming the system, but mixed stories, none of them good are being broadcast via the media blackening Thailand's eye towards even potential tourist numbers from the west. I also recognize the strength of the Baht does not help. But these are only personal observations, my own views (even though they are indeed happening for all to see). TAT seem to be focusing too intently, not covering all their bets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Why Me said: And here it is the data which says China and South Asian tourists do outspend per day Europeans and Americans: http://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism-income-Thailand.asp And here is the quote that always needs to be done whenever somebody googles that old piece out: Quote How are these data gathered? We honestly do not know, but they have been reported for many years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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