jacko45k Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 13 hours ago, britishjohn said: I was under the impression that extensions are tacked on top off your existing permission to stay so you don't lose anything by going early. I've never done an extension before so I don't know. Are you saying that if you go a month early, you will get a new extension of stay from that date, but it will be for 13 months ? Yes, if you do a retirement extension at the tail end of a current one you do not 'lose' any time.... I also accept that effectively you may seem to get a 13 month extension.... the way you put it is what I try to say. This contradicts the order that the maximum extension is 12 months.... or maybe it doesn't if one plays with semantics. I wish someone like UJ would comment but I pulled that line from something I read on here once, but remember vaguely... namely that you can only have one valid permission of stay and a new one cancels previous re-entry permits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 The only advice I can offer is to try and get a male officer next time, the females tend to hate the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyk Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 IMO, this is just the tip of the iceberg. As China and India replace the now older expats and Western tourism steadily declines. It's going to get really ugly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtfracing Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 6:26 PM, britishjohn said: That's how it should work. But in my case she won't give me a full years extension. I'll get something like 11.5 months. The only way round that would be to ask the broker to arrange a longer policy and pay the extra. The whole thing is joke ! And yes I am very cranky.... Land of Stupidity what else do you expect, there is no such thing as common sense in their vocabulary. Ah what a nice country this could be if they could only treasure common sense like they do money! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairynuff Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 5:30 PM, britishjohn said: The broker claims I just got unlucky and was dealing with a rogue officer.. They’re all rogue officers as long they’re allowed to make their own rules rather than follow the written ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post britishjohn Posted January 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fairynuff said: They’re all rogue officers as long they’re allowed to make their own rules rather than follow the written ones. If only we were allowed to know what the written rules were....but perhaps it's been left deliberately vague. The more confusion the more people use agents. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishjohn Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, wtfracing said: Land of Stupidity what else do you expect, there is no such thing as common sense in their vocabulary. Ah what a nice country this could be if they could only treasure common sense like they do money! Also don't forget land of signatures ! A few days ago I lost my K bank debit card and called into my branch to get a new one. I was in there 1.5 hours and signed my name 15 times ! I got a call the next day telling me they had forgotten to ask me to sign something and could I call into the branch. They presented me with piece of paper that I had already signed twice and asked me to sign it another two times ! Edited January 17, 2020 by britishjohn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langsuan Man Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 No consequences for Immigration for screwing up Lot's of complication if we screw up Why in the world should we continue to play a game we can't possibly win ? I really feel for those who have invested a lot emotionally in Thailand. I am lucky, I have plenty of time to decide if I want to continue to play this game to come to this country to spend my money, and the tea leaves are showing me it is no longer worth it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairynuff Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, britishjohn said: Also don't forget land of signatures ! A few days ago I lost my K bank debit card and called into my branch to get a new one. I was in there 1.5 hours and signed my name 15 times ! A got a call the next day telling me they had forgotten to ask me to sign something and could I call into the branch. They presented me with piece of paper that I had already signed twice and asked me to sign it another two times ! Signatures and photocopies. Printer ink would definitely be a good business to be in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishjohn Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fairynuff said: Signatures and photocopies. Printer ink would definitely be a good business to be in. But at least they did manage to squeeze 4 of my signatures onto one piece of paper...which is very environmentally conscious of them ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyk Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jesimps said: The only advice I can offer is to try and get a male officer next time, the females tend to hate the world. No truer words were ever spoken. A few years ago in KK I had a female officer follow me out of immigration screaming that she was going to have me arrested. Because I disagreed with her about something. I never raised my voice and she went ballistic. Crazy Edited January 17, 2020 by garyk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaZa9 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) On 1/16/2020 at 12:33 AM, britishjohn said: The insurance broker told me they will cancel my policy and issue a new one commencing tomorrow afternoon, but advised me not to waste another day at CW tomorrow as they will probably say the policy doesn't start for another hour or two ! I will return on Friday. But it really is getting quite ridiculous here...I fork out for an insurance policy which is virtually useless for health purposes, and is simply a device to obtain an extension and still they are not satisfied. Together with all the TM30 nonsense and other endless paperwork, I can't see myself sticking around for long. There are certainly way better visas elsewhere... I was told outright by a Retired Immigration Officer on Monday that the law is written clearly enough and it says that Insurance is NOT required for existing Retirement Extensions based on an original O-A Visa and any office saying its required is , "Not doing correct thing ." Edited January 24, 2020 by blackcab Fixed quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleMhee Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, zaZa9 said: I was told outright by a Retired Immigration Officer on Monday that the law is written clearly enough and it says that Insurance is NOT required for existing Retirement Extensions based on an original O-A Visa and any office saying its required is , "Not doing correct thing ." This is what all on pre October 31 2018 O-A's would like to know unequivocally......well I would at least; before May would be good! Thanks for posting @britishjohn; but anecdotal doesn't cut it. Just sayin' Edited January 17, 2020 by UncleMhee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 6:12 PM, flexomike said: Because the new extension day would have started on the 27th, you don't loose any days on your extension by applying early, this is really screwed up, so now you will loose days on your extension unless you apply on the day it is due, only in Thailand That's not the case. The officer wouldn't extend from the 27th because the foreigner did not have an insurance policy in force at the time he wanted to complete the renewal. She wasn't, from how I read the post, wanting to change the future expiry date but was insisting the insurance must be in place. I guess her logic was that once granted, the new permission to stay overrules and replaces the old one. The date shown in the new stamp in the passport is the date on which the permission is granted. The expiry date is 12 months from the old expiry date. So, if you apply early the new permission covers the few days in between when you apply and when the old permission would've expired had you not renewed early. Pedantic perhaps, but can see why she thought this should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonOh Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Why use Pacific Cross? Looks like another victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lensta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 6:45 PM, flexomike said: I disagree with you, the day you apply is irrelevant, do not need insurance on old extension, insurance starts on the day of new extension, you do not loose days on your permission to stay when you apply early, If his extension expires on the 100% correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lensta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: That's not the case. The officer wouldn't extend from the 27th because the foreigner did not have an insurance policy in force at the time he wanted to complete the renewal. She wasn't, from how I read the post, wanting to change the future expiry date but was insisting the insurance must be in place. I guess her logic was that once granted, the new permission to stay overrules and replaces the old one. The date shown in the new stamp in the passport is the date on which the permission is granted. The expiry date is 12 months from the old expiry date. So, if you apply early the new permission covers the few days in between when you apply and when the old permission would've expired had you not renewed early. Pedantic perhaps, but can see why she thought this should be. "The expiry date is 12 months from the old expiry date. So, if you apply early the new permission covers the few days in between when you apply and when the old permission would've expired had you not renewed early" No it does not. if you renew your extension of stay a week before the old extension expires. The new extension start at the end of your current extension, not the date of renewal. Please make sure you post correct information as this is an important subject to many people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lensta Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 19 hours ago, jacko45k said: Actually the extension runs from the day it is issued, so the IO perhaps has a point. I believe this as one can only have one valid Permission of Stay in your passport. Is it not the case that if one applies for an Extension a month before necessary and it is issued, a new Re-Entry Permit would be required for any travel from then on? "Actually the extension runs from the day it is issued" Really??? I have just checked my passport to make sure that I wasn't talking through my ar se and my extension of stay starts on the 29 Dec every year but I always renew between the 1st and 13th of December. So how do you figure that the extension start on the day that you renew. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 11:30 AM, britishjohn said: Now he is going to back date the policy to start tomorrow and I will return on Friday for another attempt. This of course means that I will not get a full year extension. Why not change from "O-A" visa to an ordinary "O" based on retirement and then extend that; same conditions, but no mandatory health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post britishjohn Posted January 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2020 Well I'm at CW now and have succeeded in getting the extension, 3 hours after arriving. However while normally the extension would last for another 12 months following expiry of the current permission to stay, in my case it does not. My current stay expires 26 Jan 2020, but she has only given me until the 16th Jan 2021. Reason being is the insurance expires on that day as I had to change the start date on the insurance to yesterday and the policy lasts one year. I could have left the start date the same and returned here on the 27 Jan but then I would have been on overstay and fined 500 baht. I didn't fancy that and wanted to get it out of the way. Now I'll queue for the re entry permit ! 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 11:02 AM, lensta said: I have just checked my passport to make sure that I wasn't talking through my ar se and my extension of stay starts on the 29 Dec every year Mine doesn't refer to a 'start date' whatsoever. There is a date of issue... (3+ weeks prior to the expiration of previous permit to stay), and a 'Extension of Stay Permitted Up To' date stamp, which is the one year anniversary of the previous Permit. (Covering nearly 13 months). Another example I saw today was of an agent obtained Retirement Extension, the Extension stamp shows an issue on one date, and the permitted Up to date was 15 months later. A Non Imm O conversion of a Visa Waiver gave 3 months, plus the 12 months Extension, total 15 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 6:26 PM, britishjohn said: That's how it should work. But in my case she won't give me a full years extension. I'll get something like 11.5 months. The only way round that would be to ask the broker to arrange a longer policy and pay the extra. The whole thing is joke ! And yes I am very cranky.... You were in the right and she was clearly wrong. Too late now, but in such a situation as this would it do any good to ask for a supervisor? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 PS: So is Pacific Cross on the Thai list of insurers? I used Pacific Cross for many years for travei insurance to Thailand. What policy of theirs did u get, please, to satisfy OA requirements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 6:34 PM, couchpotato said: Well I am going look at this another way. Basically the day you applied, you were not insured. You did not have a policy covering you for that day. So the immigration person was perfectly correct, although I do agree she should have been a bit more flexible. Why you would chance a rejection to save/or gain a day is just stupidity.. Next year renew the policy in time. He didn't have an insurance earlier because it wasn't a requirement. He officially needs an insurance when the next 1 year extension starts = January 27. Even if you apply for the extension 1 month early, it kicks in the day after the last extension expires, and that's also the first day for the insurance policy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, SunsetT said: PS: So is Pacific Cross on the Thai list of insurers? I used Pacific Cross for many years for travei insurance to Thailand. What policy of theirs did u get, please, to satisfy OA requirements? PC has an excellent website in english, and they have several policies meeting the requirements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, jacko45k said: Mine doesn't refer to a 'start date' whatsoever. There is a date of issue... (3+ weeks prior to the expiration of previous permit to stay), and a 'Extension of Stay Permitted Up To' date stamp, which is the one year anniversary of the previous Permit. (Covering nearly 13 months). Another example I saw today was of an agent obtained Retirement Extension, the Extension stamp shows an issue on one date, and the permitted Up to date was 15 months later. A Non Imm O conversion of a Visa Waiver gave 3 months, plus the 12 months Extension, total 15 months. You can use an agent for a 90 days Non-immigrant O + a 1 year extension = hence 3+12 months. The annual extension expires the same date every year, and obviously starts the same date every year. Edited January 17, 2020 by Max69xl More info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNROAMIN Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Thailand immigration is like the weather, one day sunny, next day stormy. Edited January 17, 2020 by DUNROAMIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 6:34 PM, couchpotato said: Basically the day you applied, you were not insured. You did not have a policy covering you for that day. So the immigration person was perfectly correct, although I do agree she should have been a bit more flexible. It's an extension, he was already stamped in on a previous extension or entry which doesn't require insurance due to when it was issued. Immigration are wrong here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Max69xl said: PC has an excellent website in english, and they have several policies meeting the requirements. Thanks but is PC on the Thai list of approved insurers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, SunsetT said: Thanks but is PC on the Thai list of approved insurers? Yes See: https://longstay.tgia.org/home/companiesoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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