Popular Post webfact Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 U.S. House sends Trump impeachment charges to Senate for trial By Richard Cowan and David Morgan U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) announces the House of Representatives managers for the Senate impeachment trial of U.S. President Donald Trump during a news conference at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, U.S., January 15, 2020. REUTERS/Leah Millis WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Democratic-led House of Representatives voted on Wednesday to send two formal charges against President Donald Trump to the Senate, clearing the way for only the third impeachment trial of a U.S. president to begin in earnest next week. Lawmakers voted 228 to 193 to give the Senate, controlled by Trump's fellow Republicans, the task of putting him on trial on charges of abuse of power for asking Ukraine to investigate political rival Joe Biden and obstruction of Congress for blocking testimony and documents sought by Democratic lawmakers. The vote, which also approved a team of seven Democratic lawmakers named by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to serve as prosecutors in the trial, was largely along party lines. The 100-seat Senate is expected to acquit Trump, keeping him in office, given that none of its 53 Republicans has voiced support for removing him, a step that under the U.S. Constitution would require a two-thirds majority. But Trump's impeachment by the House last month will remain a stain on his record and the televised trial in the Senate could be uncomfortable for him as he seeks re-election on Nov. 3, with Biden a leading contender for the Democratic nomination to challenge him. "We are here today to cross a very important threshold in American history," Pelosi said on the House floor before the vote. Pelosi launched the impeachment inquiry in September after earlier resisting such a move centred on Trump's actions to impede a federal investigation that documented Russian interference in the 2016 election to boost his candidacy. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, a Trump nemesis who served as a federal prosecutor in Los Angeles for six years, was selected to head the team of House "managers." The White House has yet to unveil its defence team. The trial will overseen by U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts. Trump, during a White House signing ceremony for a China trade deal, took a few shots at what he called the impeachment "hoax." He excused House lawmakers who needed to go to vote on impeachment and singled out for praise every Republican senator in the audience, whose support he will need at the trial. White House spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham said Trump "expects to be fully exonerated," adding in a statement, "President Trump has done nothing wrong." Opening statements in the trial are expected next Tuesday, according to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, whose fellow Republicans will set the rules for the trial. The seven House managers marched the two articles of impeachment over to the Senate on Wednesday where McConnell's office said they would be formally presented on Thursday. A pivotal event in Trump's impeachment was a July 25 telephone call in which he asked Ukraine's president to open a corruption investigation into Biden and his son, as well as a discredited theory that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 election. Democrats have called this an abuse of power because Trump asked a foreign government to interfere in a U.S. election for his own benefit at the expense of American national security. Biden, the former U.S. vice president, is one of 12 candidates vying for the Democratic nomination to face Trump in November. Republicans have argued that Trump's actions did not rise to the level of impeachable offences. They have accused Democrats of using the Ukraine affair to try to nullify Trump's 2016 election victory. 'PRIVATE ATM MACHINE' 2020-01-16T021907Z_1_LOV000LQE5JLB_RTRMADV_STREAM-2000-16X9-MP4_USA-TRUMP-IMPEACHMENT-CEREMONY.MP4 Democrats also accused Trump of abusing his power by withholding $391 million in security aid to Ukraine as leverage to pressure Kiev into conducting investigations politically beneficial to him. The money - approved by Congress to help Ukraine combat Russia-backed separatists - was provided to Ukraine in September after the controversy spilled into public view. "The president considered that his private ATM machine, I guess," Pelosi said of the aid on Wednesday. Schiff, 59, spearheaded the House impeachment investigation and he is a frequent target of Trump attacks. Trump in December called Schiff "a deranged human being." The House managers also included Jerrold Nadler, who crafted the two articles of impeachment against Trump as House Judiciary Committee chairman, and Val Demings, a former police chief of Orlando, Florida. Schiff urged Republicans to allow more evidence and witnesses at the trial. McConnell has resisted the idea of calling witnesses, saying senators should consider only the evidence amassed by the House. "If McConnell makes this the first trial in history without witnesses, it will be exposed for what it is, and that is an effort to cover up for the president," Schiff told reporters. Democrats want Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton summoned as a witness. Other impeachment witnesses have said Bolton was a vocal critic of the effort by Trump's administration to pressure Ukraine. The U.S. Constitution allows for the impeachment of a president for "high crimes and misdemeanors." But no U.S. president has been removed as a direct result of impeachment. Richard Nixon resigned in 1974 in the Watergate scandal before the full House could vote to impeach him. The House impeached Andrew Johnson in 1868 and Bill Clinton in 1998, but the Senate did not convict them. Clinton's trial lasted five weeks. If the Senate conducts the Trump trial along those lines, as McConnell has suggested, the televised proceedings would occur even as the first nominating contests of the 2020 presidential race are held in Iowa and New Hampshire in February. Documents released on Tuesday as part of the impeachment case included encrypted messages between Florida businessman Lev Parnas, an associate of Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and Robert Hyde, a Republican congressional candidate in Connecticut, disparaging the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine before Trump removed her from the post in May. Democrats on Wednesday released several hundred more pages of messages and other evidence obtained from Parnas's phone, detailing conversations with Giuliani and others. In an interview with MSNBC, Parnas said he was acting on Trump's directions: "President Trump knew exactly what was going on. He was aware of all of my movements." House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Eliot Engel, a Democrat, on Tuesday announced an investigation into the "profoundly alarming" messages suggesting Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch was subject to surveillance. (Additional reporting by Patricia Zengerle, Steve Holland, Susan Cornwell, Doina Chiacu, Makini Brice and Eric Beech; Writing by Alistair Bell; Editing by Andy Sullivan, Will Dunham and Sonya Hepinstall) -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-16 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I guess McConnell finally caved... 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Lev Parnas just flipped Mitch might well cave very incriminating stuff coming out or should I say corroborated he may be forced to allow witnesses 3 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mogandave Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Tug said: Lev Parnas just flipped Mitch might well cave very incriminating stuff coming out or should I say corroborated he may be forced to allow witnesses So be it. I’m happy to have everyone call all the witnesses they want, particularly Bolton an Schiff. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Lev Parnas has delivered evidence of members of Trump’s team surveillance of Ambassador Yovanovitch together with evidence that they engaged foreigners to illegally surveil the US Ambassador. He’s named the individuals involved in this crime and he has provided documentary evidence to back his statements. Pompeo has now to explain why when made aware of the threats to Yovanovitch he chose not to inform the CIA or the FBI. John Bolton has been named as a material witness to these criminal acts, and again Parnas backs his statements with documents. These documents are now in the hands of Congress and there is nothing Trump or McConnell can do to prevent the Trial managers appointed by Congress from entering these documents as evidence at Trump’s Impeachment Trial. 7 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Interestingly Trump’s own defence layers are named as material participants in Trump’s Ukrainian crimes (What John Bolton referred to as ‘a drug deal’ he wanted no part in). Added to which Devin Nunes is also named as a material participant in Trump’s Ukrainian crimes. And yes Parnas backs his claims with documents now in the hands of Congress and SDNY. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Lev Parnas has delivered evidence of members of Trump’s team surveillance of Ambassador Yovanovitch together with evidence that they engaged foreigners to illegally surveil the US Ambassador. He’s named the individuals involved in this crime and he has provided documentary evidence to back his statements. Pompeo has now to explain why when made aware of the threats to Yovanovitch he chose not to inform the CIA or the FBI. John Bolton has been named as a material witness to these criminal acts, and again Parnas backs his statements with documents. These documents are now in the hands of Congress and there is nothing Trump or McConnell can do to prevent the Trial managers appointed by Congress from entering these documents as evidence at Trump’s Impeachment Trial. It's been worth waiting before sending impeachment charges. 3 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mogandave Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Yes, it’s just a matter of time until the evil orange one is behind bars!!!! Pence-Collins 2020! 2 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boon Mee Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Pelosi and the Democrats have completely beclowned themselves ???? BWHAHAHA 9 3 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sujo Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Boon Mee said: Pelosi and the Democrats have completely beclowned themselves ???? BWHAHAHA Remind me who was impeached. A permanent stain on him.. BWHAHAHA 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sujo Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Speaking of laughing, or at least mocking. Putin and Assad added to the list of leaders mocking Trump. Just shows how low trump has brought the office of president. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/putin-assad-trump-syria-russia-video-joke-mock-road-damascus-a9284466.html 1 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CGW Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 42 minutes ago, Boon Mee said: Pelosi and the Democrats have completely beclowned themselves ???? BWHAHAHA I don't follow politics as I believe it is all just a show for the masses, I am not American, but have followed this from a distance, neither sides "politics" affect how I feel, but from my observation, it looks like your statement has a lot of truth within, theatre for the masses? Keeps folks occupied I guess ???? 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post malibukid Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Trump could be out of office in a month, then it would be Pence against whomever. Edited January 16, 2020 by malibukid 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I’m so ashamed to be an American. Then I woke up from my nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick501 Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Sham impeachment calls for a speedy sham trial. It will all be over soon. Public gets to yet again see the ineffectiveness of the Democrats, and Nancy will have to try to find other ways to cling to relevance. 2 4 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sujo Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mick501 said: Sham impeachment calls for a speedy sham trial. It will all be over soon. Public gets to yet again see the ineffectiveness of the Democrats, and Nancy will have to try to find other ways to cling to relevance. So you are ok that senators perjure their oath. i dont care if any side is effective or not. What i do care about is knowing if the president is corrupt. The public deserve to know before deciding who to vote for. Or dont you care? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick501 Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sujo said: So you are ok that senators perjure their oath. i dont care if any side is effective or not. What i do care about is knowing if the president is corrupt. The public deserve to know before deciding who to vote for. Or dont you care? It would be more beneficial in this instance to examine the abuse of power by the Democrats to ensure no such sham devalues the American government in the future. A system that allows impeachment to be presided over by a party who hates Trump is a conflict of interest that must smack even the most deluded democrat in the face. The impeachment called selective witnesses and tailored a predetermined outcome. Why should anyone have to even reply to such bogus assertions? No rational thinking person could believe it's any more than throwing mud. Trump should not be forced to stoop to the level of the Democrats in having to offer any kind of reply, and that is most likely the way the trial will now be engineered. At least that part of the system works. 1 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TopDeadSenter Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Can anybody explain why the panel of irrelevant extreme lefty academics like Pamela Karlan were considered material and fact witnesses, yet the 2 guys this whole hoax started with and revolves around (Biden sr & jr) are off limits and deemed unimportant? Almost could appear to some that double standards are in play. But seriously, you just couldn't begin to concoct a more "out there" farce than this. Enjoying the show, and thanks for guaranteeing the Donald an easy run to victory later this year. 6 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sakeopete Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Dems are making fools of themselves nothing but a desperate move to eliminate Trump before the next election because they know they will lose. Who would be stupid enough to risk the strong economy Trump built for a silly socialist who will destroy it. The Americas don't need another failed socialist state they already have Venezuela to look down on. 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 I watched the impeachment hearing of Messrs. Kent, Taylor and Yovanovitch. How can anyone think that DT is fit to be a president of a banana republic, much less the US? This idiot is going to make the world a more dangerous place, especially for the Yanks. 2 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isaan sailor Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Anyone want to take bets? With a solid Republican Senate—no way they will remove a sitting President. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlexRich Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Trump makes Nixon look like a choirboy. He deserves to be impeached but he won’t be. The “people” are so bombarded by online propaganda that they can’t see Trump for what he is ... a crook. 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlexRich Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: Can anybody explain why the panel of irrelevant extreme lefty academics like Pamela Karlan were considered material and fact witnesses, yet the 2 guys this whole hoax started with and revolves around (Biden sr & jr) are off limits and deemed unimportant? Almost could appear to some that double standards are in play. But seriously, you just couldn't begin to concoct a more "out there" farce than this. Enjoying the show, and thanks for guaranteeing the Donald an easy run to victory later this year. It wouldn’t matter if Joe Biden was on the Ukraine payroll, you are simply not allowed to use the office of the presidency to dig dirt (or make up dirt) on an opponent, especially where matters of national security are concerned. That part seems to have passed you by? 1 2 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CGW Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Sakeopete said: Dems are making fools of themselves nothing but a desperate move to eliminate Trump before the next election because they know they will lose. As a completely independent Britisher - that's how i see it also, taking a similar route as the British labour party. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chrysaora Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Tales from the Crypt. Why do they all look like the Crypt Keeper? The "impeachment" already happened. It was a sham and we Americans are waking up to that fact. I predict a slaughter of sitting Democrats this year. They will wish they were already safely in the crypt before this year ends. Good riddance to all of them. Edited January 16, 2020 by Chrysaora 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J Town Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, malibukid said: Trump could be out of office in a month, then it would be Pence against whomever. Pence is also deeply involved and may be kicked out as well. Who is next in line? Why I'll be - it's NANCY! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post earlinclaifornia Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Devin Nunes was the one person I always wanted to get. Done! https://www.yahoo.com/news/lev-parnas-devin-nunes-involved-035900428.html Can't wait to hear from: Cryingdick, thaibeachlovers, elmrfudd, JHolmesJr, atyclb and Kelsall Especially dundee48 but he has no COURAGE to respond by posting but laughs his ass off. Last laugh is on you. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J Town Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Chrysaora said: Tales from the Crypt. Why do they all look like the Crypt Keeper? The "impeachment" already happened. It was a sham and we Americans are waking up to that fact. A "sham?!?" Have you paid ANY attention to the facts? Multiple indictments, multiple Trump advisers now sporting orange jumpsuits with more awaiting sentencing, and the plumber who was doing all the dirty wet work providing testimony and a literal paper trail. A SHAME, maybe, that any of this ever happened at all. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mogandave Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Sujo said: So you are ok that senators perjure their oath. It’s okay for Congressmen to perjure themselves but not Senators? No one has to perjure themselves to acquit or convict, they only have to believe one is or isn’t guilty. A lot of people don’t think he’s guilty. 1 hour ago, Sujo said: i dont care if any side is effective or not. What i do care about is knowing if the president is corrupt. The public deserve to know before deciding who to vote for. I thought you knew he was corrupt. You’ve been claiming for years he’s corrupt. Tell the truth, nothing could possibly happen in the Senate that would change your mind. 1 hour ago, Sujo said: Or dont you care? I care if he’s corrupt, but I don’t care that he asked for help with an investigation. I know you do. You wanted him impeached for asking Comey to go easy on Flynn, yes? If it were proven he was asking for dirt to be made up I would care a lot. Personally, I think all the new cocktail napkin “notes” are popping up just to feed the media. Knowing nome of this phony stuff will be admitted they can just print anything they like. They sure read like they’re made up. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J Town Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, CGW said: As a completely independent Britisher - that's how i see it also, taking a similar route as the British labor party. You're a day late and a dollar short. The damning evidence that just hit will be the final nail in the coffin. Live testimony from the guy that was doing the dirty work with a literal paper trail connecting Trump/Rudy/Pence/Barr etc. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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