Sanders climbs, now tied with Biden among registered voters - Reuters/Ipsos poll

[phkauf]

15 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

You know, what "socialism" includes?

The fire department!

Ifrastructure!

Schools!

The Police!

Social Security!

...need me to go on?

Go ask the people of Venezuela how socialism is working for them? I hear the Venezuelan diet is quite effective - lose 20 lbs. due to starvation. Socialism turned what was once the most prosperous country in South America into one of the poorest. 

 

[sirineou]

8 minutes ago, phkauf said:

Go ask the people of Venezuela how socialism is working for them? I hear the Venezuelan diet is quite effective - lose 20 lbs. due to starvation. Socialism turned what was once the most prosperous country in South America into one of the poorest. 

 

Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark

[EVENKEEL]

11 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark

An interesting read about Denmark...

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

An interesting read about Denmark...

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/denmark-not-socialist_b_9011652.html

Denmark is as much a pure socialist country as the US is a pure Capitalist country

[Sujo]

10 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

That ship has sailed now that Warren has committed political harakiri on live TV. Bernie's spike up is due to the fact Warren is basically finished. Warren played the desperation card and it blew up in her face. The circular firing squad has its first suicide bomber in its ranks now. That moment will be played over and over looking back at the campaign. It is the height of what Warren offers. Given her record of lying and bending the truth over and over I believe Bernie. Wrong time to play the man hater card for her.

 

Apparently Bernie raised more than $4 million immediately after this debacle. The moment Steyer pops up and says hi to Bernie is the best part. Yeah good. Okay. haha 

 

 

A trump suppporter concerned that a candidate bends the truth. Priceless.

[sucit]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

A trump suppporter concerned that a candidate bends the truth. Priceless.

Give him a little break. That was probably his first good post since joining. 

[phkauf]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark

Sorry, but you are repeating the same nonsense Bernie has been spouting for years. NONE of these countries are socialist (although Sweden has insanely high tax rates to pay for generous social benefits). Sweden turned to Socialism in the 1960's which stagnated their economy and led to an exodus of talent and wealth. They gave it up around 1996 and now are free market with high taxes. Norway has great social benefits funded by their oil wealth. Both Denmark and Finland are free market countries. 

There is a really neat thing called the internet, try to use it some time to get your facts straight.

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, phkauf said:

Sorry, but you are repeating the same nonsense Bernie has been spouting for years. NONE of these countries are socialist (although Sweden has insanely high tax rates to pay for generous social benefits). Sweden turned to Socialism in the 1960's which stagnated their economy and led to an exodus of talent and wealth. They gave it up around 1996 and now are free market with high taxes. Norway has great social benefits funded by their oil wealth. Both Denmark and Finland are free market countries. 

There is a really neat thing called the internet, try to use it some time to get your facts straight.

Before you call a country Socialist, or Capitalist, you have to understand what the words mean to normal educated people, not for example, the dismissive derogatory way the word is used by many in the US, particularly uneducated members of the rabid right. (No need to take that personally)

 

1) Almost all countries in the world are basically Capitalist, in the economist's definition.

2) It is possible to have a largely free-market Capitalist economy, working side by side with a Socialist government, that ensures that rampant - devil takes the hindmost- style Capitalism does not destroy the fabric of society. Such a government will ensure that there is adequate social provision, and protection from exploitation for ordinary members of society. This is the case to different degrees in all European countries. For us you don't have to nationalise everything that moves to be a Socialist, that is a right wing US fantasy.

3) Bernie is quite right to call these northern European countries Socialist. In European terms he is very moderate in his views, and these countries are examples of the good and caring governance that he aspires to for the US. That is a world away from the hard left in the UK, Italy, Spain, or France.

4) Venezuela started out in a promising way, but the US believes that all the oil in the world belongs to them, and it was an awful accident that a lot of it is actually located in other countries. Venezuela struggled for many years as the US tried all means to overthrow the left wing government. Combine that with a progressively dictatorial thug of a leader, and you get the current mess. Not an advertisement for Socialism (Which it certainly isn't), the CIA or anything at all really. 

5) One would have to be totally daft to imagine that the US would have shown any interest in Venezuela at all if it had nothing they wanted to exploit.

[mogandave]

16 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

For those who are ignorant supporters of The Donald. Any thinking member of the working middle class recognizes that Sanders history of fighting for the working middle class, his proposal to raise the minimum wage, institute a national healthcare program like the other developed nations have had for some time, addressing the need to reduce the cost of gaining more knowledge through higher education and protecting Social Security/Medicare all address the justified frustration/anger which resulted in he Donald being in the White House.

Nonsense. 
 

What has Sanders ever done for the “working middle class”?

 

Minimum wage is the first page in lefty’s playbook. One could argue raising the minimum wage helps the working poor, but it certainly doesn’t help the middle class. 
 

Neither does socialized medicine. We already had great medical, now we get less and pay more. 
 

The government (us) paying for everyone that wants a college degree to get one is going to reduce the cost? Spark up another one.

 

What’s Bernie’s plan for Social Security and Medicare?

 

 

[wwest5829]

5 hours ago, phkauf said:

Go ask the people of Venezuela how socialism is working for them? I hear the Venezuelan diet is quite effective - lose 20 lbs. due to starvation. Socialism turned what was once the most prosperous country in South America into one of the poorest. 

 

Great thinking. Same as I see in many Trumpettes. No logical basis but hey, that is part of all that high falutin smart people.

3 hours ago, phkauf said:

Sorry, but you are repeating the same nonsense Bernie has been spouting for years. NONE of these countries are socialist (although Sweden has insanely high tax rates to pay for generous social benefits). Sweden turned to Socialism in the 1960's which stagnated their economy and led to an exodus of talent and wealth. They gave it up around 1996 and now are free market with high taxes. Norway has great social benefits funded by their oil wealth. Both Denmark and Finland are free market countries. 

There is a really neat thing called the internet, try to use it some time to get your facts straight.

Nor is what we are proposing for the U.S. Deal with raising the minimum wage = socialism? Instituting a national healthcare program such as I have under Medicare? Or vets have under Trai-care or Congress or = socialism? Protect Social Security/Medicare = socialism? Lower the costs of gaining increased knowledge though higher education at a lower cost = socialism? Bring it on ...

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, phkauf said:

Sorry, but you are repeating the same nonsense Bernie has been spouting for years. NONE of these countries are socialist (although Sweden has insanely high tax rates to pay for generous social benefits). Sweden turned to Socialism in the 1960's which stagnated their economy and led to an exodus of talent and wealth. They gave it up around 1996 and now are free market with high taxes. Norway has great social benefits funded by their oil wealth. Both Denmark and Finland are free market countries. 

There is a really neat thing called the internet, try to use it some time to get your facts straight.

By that metric neither is Venezuela which is why we are having this "socialist" conversation, when You said

"Go ask the people of Venezuela how socialism is working for them? I hear the Venezuelan diet is quite effective - lose 20 lbs. due to starvation. Socialism turned what was once the most prosperous country in South America into one of the poorest.  " 

You all pick the worst example rather than the best . , But I did not want to go there because this is not a thread about Socialism or Venezuela, something that you don't seem to have a problem with. 

So Start a thread about Venezuela and or Socialism and we can talk who is more socialist , the European countries I mentioned or, Venezuela, or we can talk about the reasons Why Venezuela is the way it is, and the involvement of the US government in the problems of Venezuela. 

  Now back to Bernie Sanders.   

 

[sucit]

You know the argument has gotten completely lopsided when the other side starts to make your arguments for you. Such was the case with Tucker Carlson on minimum wage. He may have had his own conclusions and what have you, but basically he is telling us the truth, that the system really only works for you if you are rich. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8gqHnCB3Qg&feature=emb_logo

[FMarch]

On 1/17/2020 at 11:11 AM, Saint Nick said:

Second: he is on line with the majority of US voters on many important issues: universal health care, gun control, taxing the super- rich, free education...you name it!

lol - you are out of touch with the majority of US voters.

[Scott]

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[riclag]

The guy wants to give away the store! Say goodbye to entrepreneurs ,the back bone to America. First, big business,then them! 

[MisterTee]

America and Europe are on a slide right now.

The highest immigration rates in the world are to places like Sweden, Canada, Germany, and California.  It's the freebies they go for.

After going too far down the Socialist path, these states begin to run like ponzi-schemes where the only thing propping them up is a rapid expansion of population.  They need the population increases so badly that they will accept almost anyone and will also offer lavish incentives to encourage third worlders  to make the journey [free healthcare, free education, free housing, etc.]. 

We are witnessing the death-throes of these societies, the last ditch effort to keep the party going a few more years.

It will fail, and it will fail spectacularly, as Socialism always does.  If America as a whole goes down that path, by electing any one of the current crop of goo-goo Liberals, it will be a rapid acceleration of the fall.

 

[Number 6]

Doesn't matter. Only the special interest clown car could possibly vote the Dem ticket.

 

Two absolutely horrible choices. Biden is more senile than Sanders. Las Vegas will lay odds Sanders will die in office.

 

Unless the Senate flips winning the white house is just a Wokester wet dream because nothing will change and the Free Shi+ army will have to crawl back to their tents, bathhouses and govt housing projects.

 

Losers gon lose

[Kelsall]

Bernie will get screwed out of the nomination like he did last time.  Pelosi's timing of the impeachment mess ensures Bernie will be holed up in the Senate during key campaign times. 

[Tug]

5 hours ago, MisterTee said:

America and Europe are on a slide right now.

The highest immigration rates in the world are to places like Sweden, Canada, Germany, and California.  It's the freebies they go for.

After going too far down the Socialist path, these states begin to run like ponzi-schemes where the only thing propping them up is a rapid expansion of population.  They need the population increases so badly that they will accept almost anyone and will also offer lavish incentives to encourage third worlders  to make the journey [free healthcare, free education, free housing, etc.]. 

We are witnessing the death-throes of these societies, the last ditch effort to keep the party going a few more years.

It will fail, and it will fail spectacularly, as Socialism always does.  If America as a whole goes down that path, by electing any one of the current crop of goo-goo Liberals, it will be a rapid acceleration of the fall.

 

I don’t know we’re you are from but I’m a native Californian Cali has the 5th largest economy on the planet everything is uber expensive you run as fast as you can just to survive I from 70 years experience haven’t seen the rampant giveaways as you say exist so to put it real simple I say bs 

[Jingthing]

 

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Bernie will get screwed out of the nomination like he did last time.  Pelosi's timing of the impeachment mess ensures Bernie will be holed up in the Senate during key campaign times. 

Ridiculous conspiracy theory about Pelosi. Straight from alt-right talking point fictions. Not even Bernie fans buy that!

[lannarebirth]

On 1/17/2020 at 5:12 PM, earlinclaifornia said:

I too like Yang for VP. Typically a swing state candidate is chosen.

I like Klobuchar as VP to Yang. Yang can beat Trump handily and is the only candidate on either side with any vision. Klobuchar is a swing state female, with an excellent legislative background. I'm still fond of Bernie, but he's not going to get M4A passed, even if he gets a Democrat controlled Senate, which is doubtful at this time. Plus, I'm not voting for any septugenarians from any party. I tend to agree with the poster who thinks the Democrats are tanking this election.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2020 by lannarebirth

[mike787]

I wonder if this is fake news...hard to trust any source.  How does one really know????

[Tounge Thaied]

Biden screwed himself with the Ukraine thing... Hunter is about to testify. Bernie just got spanked again by Elizabeth Warren, he's weak with the women in his life... remember Debbie Washerman Schultz who rigged the DNC against Bernie? Nope... the Democrates will trot out OLD Hillary again... and she will lose against Trump AGAIN. It's Trump for another four years. 

[Tounge Thaied]

9 hours ago, MisterTee said:

We are witnessing the death-throes of these societies, the last ditch effort to keep the party going a few more years.

Agreed. My prediction is Trump gets it for another four years... then the whole country is going to fall apart after his final four years. They won't be able to prop up the economy any further... and when it crashes again like in 2008, it's going to gouge deep.

Edited January 19, 2020 by Tounge Thaied

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/17/2020 at 3:05 PM, canuckamuck said:

 I believe that the Democrats have no intention of winning in 2020. Nothing else could explain this year's lineup of circus performers.

Hilary was the only candidate so horrible that people had to choose Trump. Sanders is in the same category, but for other reasons. A vote for Bernie would be like a vote for Chavez or Castro for many Americans.

It astounds me that the Dems are so desperate that they would even consider Bernie after his heart attack.

He was an old man the last time he tried, and now he's not just older, but physically worse.

Against Trump in 2016 he would have seemed a beacon of hope, but that was before the economy got good.

 

Are Bernie, Biden, Warren really the best the Dems have to offer? Are there no charismatic politicians with popular policies to be found? Sad days indeed for the US.

[Scott]

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[Scott]

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[Eric Loh]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are Bernie, Biden, Warren really the best the Dems have to offer? Are there no charismatic politicians with popular policies to be found? Sad days indeed for the US.

You really need smart to be POTUS. 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/16/donald-trump-is-proving-too-stupid-to-be-president/

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

You really need smart to be POTUS. 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/16/donald-trump-is-proving-too-stupid-to-be-president/

Explain Bush the younger then.

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Explain Bush the younger then.

Dumb and dumber.