Trump adds legal heavyweights Starr, Dershowitz to impeachment team

[gk10002000]

and I watched a taped interview of Trump criticizing Starr back during the Clinton impeachment time

[Langsuan Man]

20 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Trump just doesn't want to win. He wants to crush.

Is that Orange Crush by any chance ?

[cycolista]

On 1/18/2020 at 7:29 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

It was interesting watching Pelosi make a whole song and dance over signing the farcical impeachment with a dozen gold plated pens at a supposed cost of $5,000, while Trump signed the 2 trillion dollar phase 1 trade deal with China with a 99c Sharpie. Substance over shine, and not unnoticed by American voters I'm sure.

That's not true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/impeachment-pens-15k-dollars/

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, cycolista said:

That's not true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/impeachment-pens-15k-dollars/

Thank you but the sad truth is that the 45 cult of personality adherents are going to receive the false info, they're going to believe it, and they're going to share it. Forget about normal politics and value given to truth and facts these days, and it's not really clear yet how to fight that.

[cycolista]

39 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Thank you but the sad truth is that the 45 cult of personality adherents are going to receive the false info, they're going to believe it, and they're going to share it. Forget about normal politics and value given to truth and facts these days, and it's not really clear yet how to fight that.

You’re probably right but lies still need to be called out as lies. 

[bristolboy]

On 1/18/2020 at 1:13 PM, riclag said:

Those people in attendance all loved this annual event,especially with this POTUS! They were so proud to be there!Probably the best college football team and POTUS ever! Go Starr Go Dershowitz

 

"As coach Ed Orgeron, quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Joe Burrow, receivers Ja’Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson stood behind him and with a trio of trophies in front, Trump had an ideal opportunity to distance himself from impeachment talk. Instead, he mentioned impeachment almost immediately, and it was a recurring theme throughout the ceremony. From the first minute of his speech, it became clear that Trump would not be talking solely about football, as trade deals with Mexico and China were referenced."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2020/01/17/donald-trump-talks-impeachment-lsu-football-team-white-house-visit/4500041002/

 

[candide]

3 hours ago, cycolista said:

That's not true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/impeachment-pens-15k-dollars/

Not true, as usual and expected.

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2020 at 1:03 PM, Nyezhov said:

Trump just doesn't want to win. He wants to crush. 

 

More republicans who see the light:

 

https://www.newsweek.com/bush-white-house-ethics-lawyer-trump-family-organized-crime-impeachment-1476464?fbclid=IwAR297OYqbYOUVq3zm2vTJNa_gPO68oYZXXRWBhAOoAJteFw8-_DDGOnX2xQ

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2020 at 1:20 PM, riclag said:

One must admire Mr. Trumps expertise on staging and marketing through out his life! He is handling this with the same tenacity! Go Starr ,Go Dershowitz!

Brilliant !! 

He went bankrupt several times, he would be a nobody without his father.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, cycolista said:

That's not true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/impeachment-pens-15k-dollars/

Not the first time that Trump and his supporters tell lies.

[riclag]

10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

"As coach Ed Orgeron, quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Joe Burrow, receivers Ja’Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson stood behind him and with a trio of trophies in front, Trump had an ideal opportunity to distance himself from impeachment talk. Instead, he mentioned impeachment almost immediately, and it was a recurring theme throughout the ceremony. From the first minute of his speech, it became clear that Trump would not be talking solely about football, as trade deals with Mexico and China were referenced."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2020/01/17/donald-trump-talks-impeachment-lsu-football-team-white-house-visit/4500041002/

 

Well your hatred for Mr. Trump blinded you from watching the video! If you did you would see USAtoday was also cherry picking it !

It was a love fest with a typical Trump flair for calling out the left and their radical onslaught of him and divisiveness toward the American institution,executive privilege  . But you couldn't help yourself following in step with the negative narrative!

Edited January 19, 2020 by riclag

[riclag]

8 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

He went bankrupt several times, he would be a nobody without his father.

 All the more character when you first don't succeed you pick yourself up and become POTUS. Thanks dad for your help!

Oh,JFK would of lost, god bless his sole, if it wasn't for his father's millions, runnin rum and his ambassador position !Sad but the real world!

Edited January 19, 2020 by riclag

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Well your hatred for Mr. Trump blinded you from watching the video! If you did you would see USAtoday was also cherry picking it !

It was a love fest with a typical Trump flair for calling out the left and their radical onslaught of him and divisiveness toward the American institution,executive privilege  . But you couldn't help yourself following in step with the negative narrative!

The ceremony or whatever you want to call it was supposed to be in honor of the LSU team. Instead Trump made it about himself. You know that these players support Trump? You a mind reader? How full of yourself can you be?

[bristolboy]

55 minutes ago, riclag said:

 All the more character when you first don't succeed you pick yourself up and become POTUS. Thanks dad for your help!

Oh,JFK would of lost, god bless his sole, if it wasn't for his father's millions, runnin rum and his ambassador position !Sad but the real world!

Let's see. Trump's character. He managed to transfer a lot of his private debt to the casino in Atlantic City and stuck his investors with that. He repeatedly stiffed or paid fractions of what he owed to small contractors. His business failures came because the great negotiator repeatedly got outnegotiated and paid way too much for the businesses he was acquiring. So bad were his investing skills that he got blackballed by the banks in NY. You know, the financiers who knew him best. And he pleaded no contest to a civil fraud case involving Trump University. He lied to prospective "students" when he told them that they would be taught by successful real estate business people. Ultimately he had to refund 25 million dollars.

And he used charitable funds, most of which weren't even his, to benefit himself. He got fined 2 million dollars for that. And he lied about donations he made to the 9/11 fund. 

[SiSePuede419]

By "legal heavyweights" they mean lawyers who are themselves involved in criminal activity?

 

Dershowitz has been accused as being part of Jeff Epstein's underaged sex club.

 

In Russia, they call that "Kompromat". ????

kom·pro·mat

/ˌkämprəˈmät/

noun

1. compromising information collected for use in blackmailing, discrediting, or manipulating someone, typically for political purposes.

    

 

Edited January 19, 2020 by Scott

[FritsSikkink]

12 hours ago, riclag said:

 All the more character when you first don't succeed you pick yourself up and become POTUS. Thanks dad for your help!

Oh,JFK would of lost, god bless his sole, if it wasn't for his father's millions, runnin rum and his ambassador position !Sad but the real world!

No USA bank would lend him money anymore, so he went to the Russian mobsters to use theirs.

[spidermike007]

Time to drop MAGA. How about Wang's acronym. MATH. Make America think again. Those with an open mind have got to ponder that for a moment. Only 33% of Americans are getting more than a high school education, and they are talking about making America great again? People are graduating from MIT, top in their class, from other nations, and they cannot get a work visa to stay in the US? The dogma continues about immigration, and when was the last time you heard a republican discuss legal immigration reform? 

 

I could go on for days. 

 

Perhaps, less than 12 months from now, when either Bloomberg or Biden become the next president, after the great humiliation of the orange man, some possibility of positive reform will take place. 

[spidermike007]

For those of us who despise the charlatan, we can take comfort in the fact that when he is trounced in November, he will return to a broken non empire. My guess is that we have seen the last of the Trump towers, and for that matter, probably the last of the management deals, with the Trump brand. His name is so radioactive around the world, I doubt any developer would want to touch it. Already, he has lost 17 out of 19 merchandising deals, and has not inked another major development deal since he has taken office. He was ingloriously kicked out of the Panama tower, as the partners could not book any of their hotel rooms, to save their lives. Since they got rid of the Trump name, they have begun doing well again. Nobody can lease out an apartment in his towers, his commercial prices have fallen off the cliff, and you cannot sell a condo that you own in his towers. Many have petitioned to have his name removed from the buildings. Not to mention daughter's biz going belly up. 

 

The policies so beloved by his base appear to have turned off a group just as dear to him – the wealthy who fuel his many businesses. “He can be very polarising. The brand has been diminished,” said Jeff Lotman, CEO of licensing firm Global Icons told the Associated Press. New York brand consultant Robert Passikoff put it more bluntly: “The Trump brand has lost its mojo.”

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-net-worth-business-brand-presidency-golf-condos-hotels-president-a8697096.html

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

For those of us who despise the charlatan, we can take comfort in the fact that when he is trounced in November, he will return to a broken non empire. My guess is that we have seen the last of the Trump towers, and for that matter, probably the last of the management deals, with the Trump brand. His name is so radioactive around the world, I doubt any developer would want to touch it. Already, he has lost 17 out of 19 merchandising deals, and has not inked another major development deal since he has taken office. He was ingloriously kicked out of the Panama tower, as the partners could not book any of their hotel rooms, to save their lives. Since they got rid of the Trump name, they have begun doing well again. Nobody can lease out an apartment in his towers, his commercial prices have fallen off the cliff, and you cannot sell a condo that you own in his towers. Many have petitioned to have his name removed from the buildings. Not to mention daughter's biz going belly up. 

 

The policies so beloved by his base appear to have turned off a group just as dear to him – the wealthy who fuel his many businesses. “He can be very polarising. The brand has been diminished,” said Jeff Lotman, CEO of licensing firm Global Icons told the Associated Press. New York brand consultant Robert Passikoff put it more bluntly: “The Trump brand has lost its mojo.”

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-net-worth-business-brand-presidency-golf-condos-hotels-president-a8697096.html

He will probably start or merge with a far right wing media organ like One America News. He will keep his cult of personality base in or out of office. Better out of course. Also he can run again in 24. But on the other hand he could just as easily end up in prison. 

[J Town]

59 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He will probably start or merge with a far right wing media organ like One America News. He will keep his cult of personality base in or out of office. Better out of course. Also he can run again in 24. But on the other hand he could just as easily end up in prison. 

No. The INSTANT the crown is taken from his nasty grasping fingers, SDNY has a stack of indictments with all his family's names on them. He will most likely wind up in an orange jump suit. I only hope he can get a shade of face goop that doesn't clash.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, J Town said:

No. The INSTANT the crown is taken from his nasty grasping fingers, SDNY has a stack of indictments with all his family's names on them. He will most likely wind up in an orange jump suit. I only hope he can get a shade of face goop that doesn't clash.

Possibly but I wonder if they will hold back for political reasons. The political reasons being that he will still have his cult of personality base and some elements of that base have shown a history of threatening (and in some cases carrying out) violence even explicitly saying civil war when the object of their adoration is under threat. What I'm saying is that fair or not jailing him might not be worth it in terms of the divisions in the country.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Jingthing

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Possibly but I wonder if they will hold back for political reasons. The political reasons being that he will still have his cult of personality base and some elements of that base have shown a history of threatening (and in some cases carrying out) violence even explicitly saying civil war when the object of their adoration is under threat. What I'm saying is that fair or not jailing him might not be worth it in terms of the divisions in the country.

Don't rule out that he'll do a Thaksin, seeking refuge in a country without an extradition treaty, like Russia.  Brazil does not officially have one with the US, but they are actually handled on a case-by-case basis, anyway Brazil is not DT's kind of place, too many bugs in the tropics.

When the regime's rats' nest is cleaned out things will come up, like the unedited Mueller report, and that's just the appetizer.

 

 

[bendejo]

On 1/19/2020 at 10:33 AM, SiSePuede419 said:

By "legal heavyweights" they mean lawyers who are themselves involved in criminal activity?

 

When your lawyer needs to hire a lawyer of his own it's a bad sign.

 

When you need a criminal lawyer, find a criminal lawyer.  -- Jesse Pinkman

 

So many compromising things already revealed before the trial even begins, like the involvement of Sekulow, Barr, and Nunes, to name a few.  If Roberts does not insist on recusal right there you know this trial is a sham.

 

 

[Salerno]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

MATH. Make America think again.

Make

America

Think ...

Huh?

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, Salerno said:

16 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

MATH. Make America think again.

Make

America

Think ...

Huh?

Expect to hear a lot more about Yang.  If interested, go to Youtube and listen to some of his interviews, I'm very impressed with the man.

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, Salerno said:

Make

America

Think ...

Huh?

Some consider thinking to be politically subversive to the conservative agenda.  It's all about following.  They are expected to fall in line.

 

 

[Berkshire]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Possibly but I wonder if they will hold back for political reasons. The political reasons being that he will still have his cult of personality base and some elements of that base have shown a history of threatening (and in some cases carrying out) violence even explicitly saying civil war when the object of their adoration is under threat. What I'm saying is that fair or not jailing him might not be worth it in terms of the divisions in the country.

I'd actually want to see what happens if Trump is convicted and/or loses the Nov 20 election.  His nutty base has made a lot of wild threats, but when it comes down to it, would they lay their life on the line for Trump after he's out of office?  No freakin way.  Once Trump is out of the WH and out of power, his following will wither down to a tiny few extreme nutters. 

[bendejo]

23 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I'd actually want to see what happens if Trump is convicted and/or loses the Nov 20 election.  His nutty base has made a lot of wild threats, but when it comes down to it, would they lay their life on the line for Trump after he's out of office?  No freakin way.  Once Trump is out of the WH and out of power, his following will wither down to a tiny few extreme nutters. 

Quote

I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump—I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough—until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a26827290/bikers-for-trump-military-political-violence-president/

I don't think Pentagon brass has a high opinion of him.

 

But you never can tell: once people realize they're being had there's no telling how they'll react.   Immigration, The Wall, anti-abortion, these are just part of his campaign promises he wants to make good on to get re-elected, otherwise he couldn't care less about these things.  He's probably an atheist, if he has any thoughts about such things at all. 

When he's out of office maybe biker gangs will start showing up at his country clubs to party, I'd like to see how he handles it. 

This stuff he goes on about at his rallies about dishwasher machines, light bulbs and toilets, I'm hoping he does this in the State of the Union.

 

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

I'd actually want to see what happens if Trump is convicted and/or loses the Nov 20 election.  His nutty base has made a lot of wild threats, but when it comes down to it, would they lay their life on the line for Trump after he's out of office?  No freakin way.  Once Trump is out of the WH and out of power, his following will wither down to a tiny few extreme nutters. 

I'm not that optimistic. I think his movement has already changed the country in very negative and very lasting ways. Win or lose. If he loses its not like it will be by a landslide that includes a landslide in the senate. Also as we all expect this senate to not convict the precedent will be set that all presidents are above all laws and the impeachment powers of congress may as well no longer exist. 

[Berkshire]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not that optimistic. I think his movement has already changed the country in very negative and very lasting ways. Win or lose. If he loses its not like it will be by a landslide that includes a landslide in the senate. Also as we all expect this senate to not convict the precedent will be set that all presidents are above all laws and the impeachment powers of congress may as well no longer exist. 

I don't think his movement is any more than Trump himself.  GOP politicians have tried to copy Trump's antics during elections and it failed them...because it only works for Trump.  Once he's gone, the "movement" will end...thankfully.  Trump seems to resonate with certain parts of the electorate for reasons many of us can't comprehend.  Maybe they think Trump represents the past and somehow associate that with past greatness (false belief).  It's the rare occasion when the term "false idol" really fits.  Whatever Trump supporters think Trump is, he's not.