Popular Post codebunny Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: You did read the OP didn’t you?! If you did you’d understand the absurdity of referring to Thailand’s work permit system ‘doing the same’ and that ‘only Thais can do certain jobs’. The Thai economy, like the British economy is propped up by low skilled immigrants workers doing the jobs that locals refuse to do. Do you mean ...refuse to do for wages below normal living costs for the cost of living? It took decades, even centuries of sacrifices and campaigning for decent pay and conditions in the UK, and wonder why anyone would support ideas that appear to undermine those rights. How many unemployed unskilled young people are there in the UK? Is it wrong that the price of products should rise to accommodate reasonable wages that locals wouldn't refuse to do the job for? Is it right to encourage or facilitate non-locals to work for pay and conditions that are so poor? If a business only works by keeping wages low, facilitated by immigration policy, perhaps the answer is to shift to importing those products, rather than importing labour? Maybe it's better for the UK economy overall to shift to a more skilled workforce and more high value exports, and leave low-skilled industries to developing world countries, who might benefit from the economic growth? Edited January 19, 2020 by codebunny 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baansgr Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, codebunny said: Do you mean ...refuse to do for wages below normal living costs for the cost of living? It took decades, even centuries of sacrifices and campaigning for decent pay and conditions in the UK, and wonder why anyone would support ideas that appear to undermine those rights. How many unemployed unskilled young people are there in the UK? Is it wrong that the price of products should rise to accommodate reasonable wages that locals wouldn't refuse to do the job for? Is it right to encourage or facilitate non-locals to work for pay and conditions that are so poor? If a business only works by keeping wages low, facilitated by immigration policy, perhaps the answer is to shift to importing those products, rather than importing labour? Exactly, and even some of history's most staunch socialists like Arthur Scargill and Tony Benn are against the EU and saw it for the monstrosity it has become....well in advance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, Loiner said: I didn't know that Reuters published 'Advertorials'. It was obviously written with a particular audience in mind. Was it next to an article promoting agencies specialising in visas for sub-continent doctors and techies jobs in the UK? It is actually the first post on this thread by the TVF news team, but where they got it from I have no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post emptypockets Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 hours ago, rhyddid said: So good BS BJ, you doing so good, wigged mate! So railway or airport janitor / WC cleaner is a low job that shall be reserved for only Brits? So necrologist (the fellow who take all of us under 2 meter of soil in our last trip) its only for Brits? So the horse, cow, chicken, pig, manure to be removed everyday from farms shall be reserved for only Brits? So street cleaning and rubbish collecting its a low key job that shall be reserved only for Brits ? Apologize, i can not stop to laugh , not for the kind of jobs, which are job, period, no discrimination! The laugh its for imaging after 6 months if such law if will ever pass and see the light, the thousands of tons, of human and animal manure will be piling up in UK, as well the tens of thousand of relatives who has to dig by themselves the hole where to place the coffins, worst the street will be floated with everyday garbage. Yahhh Boris let's do it, you are my man ! ???????????? Give the dole bludgers a job. Get the country working again. Don't want to sweep the street? No problem. No dole for you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 5 hours ago, billd766 said: I am a little confused by this report by Reuters. It is about the UK imposing on low skilled immigrants. Why was it reported by Bhargav Acharya in Bengaluru; editing by Jonathan Oatis? Jonathan Oatis OTOH is 3rd Desk Editor, Reuters Americas Desk at Thomson Reuters Greater New York City Area Bengaluru is the new name for Bangalore which is in India. So why did Reuters not use their London office which is well represented in London, with more than 4,000 employees based in the city from across multiple business units that include Legal, Reuters News Agency, Tax and Accounting, and Corporate. It would have been cheaper and easier IMO to have local staff. Maybe because its just copying a Telegraph article and copying staff are cheaper in Bengaluru than London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAG Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 Unrestricted migration of unskilled labour from the newly joined members of the EU has done huge damage to the social fabric of the UK over the last 20 years or so. Every society has a range of employments which are open to those of it's members who are, for whatever reason, lacking the education, ambition or opportunity to climb any socio-economic ladder. They also give the young joining the workforce a chance to make a start, from which many can begin to climb that ladder, The flood of migrants into the UK, quite simply prepared to work for less, closed off many of those job opportunities to those who had always relied upon them. It also increased pressure on housing, education, health and other services on which the less advantaged in society rely disproportionately. Reducing this stream of migrant labour will start to reduce that pressure. 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post puipuitom Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 Who will pick the crops then ? The British themselves… get hands dirty ? ? 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, puipuitom said: Who will pick the crops then ? The British themselves… get hands dirty ? ? I don’t think the British ever had a problem over 2000 years of crop picking. It only appears to be phenomena espoused by those Europhiles who agree with Tony lying Blair’s open border policy about 20 years ago. Those chattering classes who would not know one end of a mangle wurzel from the other. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Loiner Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 hours ago, rhyddid said: So railway or airport janitor / WC cleaner is a low job that shall be reserved for only Brits? So necrologist (the fellow who take all of us under 2 meter of soil in our last trip) its only for Brits? So the horse, cow, chicken, pig, manure to be removed everyday from farms shall be reserved for only Brits? So street cleaning and rubbish collecting its a low key job that shall be reserved only for Brits ? They're dirty jobs but somebody has got to do them. There's nothing in the UK to stop Brits doing them, other than a surplus of imported cheaper Eastern Europeans and assorted economic migrants. That's the type of zero hour worker favoured by employers in those jobs. Would having them 'reserved' for only Brits create a special 'Class' of job or worker? That smacks of a reprehensible caste system, where jobs are reserved for Dalit Untouchables. Is that how it works in your part of the valleys? Sounds like the type of thing our inveterate classist champagne socialists would advocate. BTW, the grave diggers and cemetery workers you allude to tend to be Brit council employees. I'm not aware of an influx of migrant workers taking jobs related to study and recording of deaths, if you really do mean necrologists. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, billd766 said: It is actually the first post on this thread by the TVF news team, but where they got it from I have no idea Since Boris's landslide victory, with Brexit now indisputable, the TVF news team have posted few Reuters Project Fear press releases. Is that due to sour grapes or just acceptance of defeat? Either way it has meant fewer Brexit threads over the past month, and none of them with a positive outlook. The couple that are still running quickly degenerated into a haggis munchers Frrrreeedom fest. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 5 hours ago, codebunny said: Do you mean ...refuse to do for wages below normal living costs for the cost of living? It took decades, even centuries of sacrifices and campaigning for decent pay and conditions in the UK, and wonder why anyone would support ideas that appear to undermine those rights. How many unemployed unskilled young people are there in the UK? Is it wrong that the price of products should rise to accommodate reasonable wages that locals wouldn't refuse to do the job for? Is it right to encourage or facilitate non-locals to work for pay and conditions that are so poor? If a business only works by keeping wages low, facilitated by immigration policy, perhaps the answer is to shift to importing those products, rather than importing labour? Maybe it's better for the UK economy overall to shift to a more skilled workforce and more high value exports, and leave low-skilled industries to developing world countries, who might benefit from the economic growth? You should take this up with those amongst the forum ‘s Brexiteers who are also rabidly anti union and to worker’s rights. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, JAG said: Unrestricted migration of unskilled labour from the newly joined members of the EU has done huge damage to the social fabric of the UK over the last 20 years or so. Every society has a range of employments which are open to those of it's members who are, for whatever reason, lacking the education, ambition or opportunity to climb any socio-economic ladder. They also give the young joining the workforce a chance to make a start, from which many can begin to climb that ladder, The flood of migrants into the UK, quite simply prepared to work for less, closed off many of those job opportunities to those who had always relied upon them. It also increased pressure on housing, education, health and other services on which the less advantaged in society rely disproportionately. Reducing this stream of migrant labour will start to reduce that pressure. Nothing to do with Tory Austerity underfunding and decades of failure to build social housing then?! Blame the immigrants! 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Loiner said: Since Boris's landslide victory, with Brexit now indisputable, the TVF news team have posted few Reuters Project Fear press releases. Is that due to sour grapes or just acceptance of defeat? Either way it has meant fewer Brexit threads over the past month, and none of them with a positive outlook. The couple that are still running quickly degenerated into a haggis munchers Frrrreeedom fest. grapes? acceptance? defeat? neither, simply due to the availability of those press releases regarding a theme active on TVF lack of positive outlook, somewhat - yes, not so strange much easier to campaign for "We want Brexit" than, "With Brexit behind we wanty . . . ." The latter requires heaps of thinking, ouch headache - think too much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post codebunny Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Nothing to do with Tory Austerity underfunding and decades of failure to build social housing then?! Blame the immigrants! Nothing to do with Labour wrecking the economy and creating a debt bubble and cost-of-living crisis then? Labour is responsible for causing austerity, because after they've finished running up the national credit card, and the public start feeling the costs without the benefit, the Tories are brought in to clean up the mess and take the blame for Labour's incompetence. It happened in the 1970s, and again in the 2010s. The post 70s clean up resulted in a lot of working-class people getting very cheap council houses, and the rationale was that maintaining them was too expensive, and that people who owned them would feel incentivised to maintain them; the market moved in to create new models. The maths is the same: if you reduce the number of immigrants you don't need more houses. People who say it's the right number of extra people and the wrong number of houses seem to miss the fact that maybe it's the wrong number of extra people and the right number of houses. Any real socialist would not advocate exploiting cheaper immigrant labour to keep local wages down and local unemployment up, and put pressure on local housing and services to keep local cost-of-living up. Essentially it's adding extra people to tax and fund not inceasing the economic activity of local people. A state's first duty is to the people already from it, not people from elsewhere. If and when there are similar immigrant labour rules as apply in many countries, not just Australia, then the salaries for these jobs that locals allegedly don't want to do, will rise, as they meet the realities of the cost of living for average working people. Land prices doubled under new Labour, as immigration was increased to historically unprecedented levels, and land prices feed into the cost of everything. Interest rates kept abnormally low to prevent a housing crash relying on a constant stream of exploited immigrant Labour may suit bourgeoise Labour-voters, but it undermines social mobility for the working classes, and it is this economic reality that has precipitated Brexit. It is in fact, not the immigrants who are blamed but the economic illiteracy of the Labour party and the remain-supporting factions who have distorted public discourse in desperate attempts to retain their economic advantage bought at the cost of working-class people who used to vote Labour. Until Labour and remainers understand the plight of local working-class people in the UK, they seem very unlikely to be regarded as competent or trustworthy to form a government that serves the interests of working-class people. An economic correction is likely and due, and for many working-class people it will be welcome; for the Labour and remain-supporting bourgeousie, not so much. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike787 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 THis should be interesting....hope they achieve their objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Nothing to do with Tory Austerity underfunding and decades of failure to build social housing then?! Blame the immigrants! No. More to do with New Labour and Tony Blair/Gordon Brown fiscal mismanagement and opening of the migrant flood gates. They wanted to rub the Tories nose in it, by starting the wholesale demolition of the UK and everything we hold dear. If there were no extra 4 million migrants, there would be no need for so much extra social housing, hospitals, schools, roads, railways, dams, drains, infrastructure, imported foodstuffs, cheap imported products......... everything. Blame Tony Blair (he-who-cannot-be-named-**liar-on TVF); the Labour party; the EU influencing federasts; champagne socialists; liberal metropolitan elite; leftie luvvies; virtue signalling woke people; and gobby Johnny Foreigner from everywhere outside the UK. How many of these groups do you qualify for? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, samran said: what’s that saying again? ‘If you are a local and you can’t get a job when someone who is new to the country, speaks the language less well and doesn’t have the connections can, it probably means you are probably useless...’ These blokes struggle with facts. I mean he probably didn’t know that thailand doles out nearly 2 million work permits for low skilled workers from neighboring countries. The only skill needed? That they have a pulse. Oh yes, and they get access to health care and one or two other social services like free schooling for their kids etc... Yes this bloke does know. How many Western taxi drivers, builders and many other jobs do you see in Thailand done by westerners. They get access to health care, schooling, housing. Far better than in their own country. They also get access to benefits which many take and send back to their EU country and also claiming for their children. Don't know any westerner getting benefits, medical or housing in Thailand, Do you? So which one are you? A champagne socialist, far left or luvvy as you are so outraged. Edited January 19, 2020 by Laughing Gravy 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, puipuitom said: Who will pick the crops then ? The British themselves… get hands dirty ? ? No the Dutch will come next as they will have huge unemployment, as the fishing industry will be decimated when the UK tells the Dutch and others to stop raping the UK waters. You may joke about the Brits getting their hands dirty. the working class use to be that.. working. Cleaning, farming, whatever was honourable. the influx of EU migrants has done more damage to the country than just the economy. Thanks Tony Blair for flooding the country and creating a benefits culture. The sooner this culture is removed the better for the UK. Working class should be that. People who actually work. Edited January 19, 2020 by Laughing Gravy 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 18 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: Well done Boris. before all the flamers start. Thailand does the very same with their work permit system that only Thais can do certain jobs. It is called looking after your own first. No doubt the champagne socialist, far left and luvvies will be outraged. Saudi only allows in people that have a job to go to. When the job ends or they retire, they go home. Seems a good system to me. It's always seemed strange to me that countries allow people with no cultural affiliation to the native population to become citizens merely because they worked in the country for a number of years. Has resulted in the chaos that afflicts many western countries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Loiner said: Blame Tony Blair (he-who-cannot-be-named-**liar-on TVF); the Labour party; the EU influencing federasts; champagne socialists; liberal metropolitan elite; leftie luvvies; virtue signalling woke people; and gobby Johnny Foreigner from everywhere outside the UK. That seems a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, luckyluke said: That seems a lot of people. Sharing is caring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, Salerno said: Sharing is caring "Sharing is caring means that if you share with that person, you actually care for the person" ???? Being Belgian, I don't understand this idiom in this specific context. Sorry. Or maybe than it is some kind of English Humor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: Yes this bloke does know. How many Western taxi drivers, builders and many other jobs do you see in Thailand done by westerners. They get access to health care, schooling, housing. Far better than in their own country. They also get access to benefits which many take and send back to their EU country and also claiming for their children. Don't know any westerner getting benefits, medical or housing in Thailand, Do you? So which one are you? A champagne socialist, far left or luvvy as you are so outraged. Meal time in the nursing home over is it? Next time the doctor comes around to test your blood pressure I suggest you ask for some new glasses. Important term you missed out on: ’neighbouring countries’ Thats right, work permits doled out to those from Thailand’s neighbors to do all the jobs that Thais won’t. Why are you so focused on westerners? I know you probably struggle with rubbing more that three words of thai together, but on the building sites, in the factories and out in the fields it ain’t Thai they are speaking. It’s Lao, Burmese and Cambodian. The guy saluting you as you enter the mall is just as likely to be from Yangon as he is from Yala. Back to watching dads army for you... Edited January 19, 2020 by samran 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, luckyluke said: Being Belgian, I don't understand this idiom in this specific context. My sincere apologies; I thought you where English for some reason, please forgive me ???? In this context basically commenting on the poster sharing the blame amongst so many groups of people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SheungWan Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2020 6 hours ago, codebunny said: Nothing to do with Labour wrecking the economy and creating a debt bubble and cost-of-living crisis then? Labour is responsible for causing austerity, because after they've finished running up the national credit card, and the public start feeling the costs without the benefit, the Tories are brought in to clean up the mess and take the blame for Labour's incompetence. It happened in the 1970s, and again in the 2010s. The post 70s clean up resulted in a lot of working-class people getting very cheap council houses, and the rationale was that maintaining them was too expensive, and that people who owned them would feel incentivised to maintain them; the market moved in to create new models. The maths is the same: if you reduce the number of immigrants you don't need more houses. People who say it's the right number of extra people and the wrong number of houses seem to miss the fact that maybe it's the wrong number of extra people and the right number of houses. Any real socialist would not advocate exploiting cheaper immigrant labour to keep local wages down and local unemployment up, and put pressure on local housing and services to keep local cost-of-living up. Essentially it's adding extra people to tax and fund not inceasing the economic activity of local people. A state's first duty is to the people already from it, not people from elsewhere. If and when there are similar immigrant labour rules as apply in many countries, not just Australia, then the salaries for these jobs that locals allegedly don't want to do, will rise, as they meet the realities of the cost of living for average working people. Land prices doubled under new Labour, as immigration was increased to historically unprecedented levels, and land prices feed into the cost of everything. Interest rates kept abnormally low to prevent a housing crash relying on a constant stream of exploited immigrant Labour may suit bourgeoise Labour-voters, but it undermines social mobility for the working classes, and it is this economic reality that has precipitated Brexit. It is in fact, not the immigrants who are blamed but the economic illiteracy of the Labour party and the remain-supporting factions who have distorted public discourse in desperate attempts to retain their economic advantage bought at the cost of working-class people who used to vote Labour. Until Labour and remainers understand the plight of local working-class people in the UK, they seem very unlikely to be regarded as competent or trustworthy to form a government that serves the interests of working-class people. An economic correction is likely and due, and for many working-class people it will be welcome; for the Labour and remain-supporting bourgeousie, not so much. Rubbish maths likely purloined from some rubbish website. If there is one thing Hard Brexiteers do not understand it is economics, but then their contempt for education shouldn't surprise us with the follow on lack of understanding that the generation of wealth is the key to any economy. What we know for sure is that there is an economic demand for labour which cannot be filled by locals (and by the way, when Hard Brexiteers talk about local labour they are rarely including those who are black). Unskilled labour as with skilled labour generates a demand met by immigration. who on earth is going to claim that there is a local demand to do the unskilled jobs in either hospitals, hotels or fields. Nobody. Its just the usual hard-right racist ranting masquerading as something else we see on this thread. 1 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samran Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Rubbish maths likely purloined from some rubbish website. If there is one thing Hard Brexiteers do not understand it is economics, but then their contempt for education shouldn't surprise us with the follow on lack of understanding that the generation of wealth is the key to any economy. What we know for sure is that there is an economic demand for labour which cannot be filled by locals (and by the way, when Hard Brexiteers talk about local labour they are rarely including those who are black). Unskilled labour as with skilled labour generates a demand met by immigration. who on earth is going to claim that there is a local demand to do the unskilled jobs in either hospitals, hotels or fields. Nobody. Its just the usual hard-right racist ranting masquerading as something else we see on this thread. Indeed. these land of hope and glory types bang on about ‘Australian style points systems’ as the panecea, ignoring the fact that we can’t fill the labour shortages in this area and run all sorts of low skill worker schemes with people from the pacific islands, working holiday visas and more recently 401 visas which have been used to bring on loads of cheap workers. Not to mention the glorious ‘free’ trade agreements we sign which give exemptions for labour market testing. As a result wages at the bottom end have stagnated and plenty of people are suffering from wage exploitation. And the funny thing is, this situation is a Tory wet dream. They’ve been in power for all but five of the past 24 years now, and this has been a system they’ve overseen. Boris and his chums will be taking close notes for sure. All of this, and we cant even blame the EU for it! 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, samran said: Meal time in the nursing home over is it? I have a good 30 years before I will consider trying one out. 1 hour ago, samran said: Next time the doctor comes around to test your blood pressure I suggest you ask for some new glasses. I had lasik so my eyes are fine thanks. 1 hour ago, samran said: Why are you so focused on westerners? Because i was comparing westerners in the UK from the EU. 1 hour ago, samran said: I know you probably struggle with rubbing more that three words of thai together, Actually my 16 years living full time in Thailand and where i will return I assure you my Thai is advanced. 1 hour ago, samran said: Back to watching dads army for you... So as with most of your post you throw insults. But that is what the liberal, left luvvies do when you have a point of view different from them and they can't support facts to counter your argument. They usually scream louder and stamp their feet. I am surprised I never got a picture of a skinhead and the word Whetherspoons thrown around. If you have anything constructive to say do. If you just throw insults, move on by. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: I have a good 30 years before I will consider trying one out. I had lasik so my eyes are fine thanks. Because i was comparing westerners in the UK from the EU. Actually my 16 years living full time in Thailand and where i will return I assure you my Thai is advanced. So as with most of your post you throw insults. But that is what the liberal, left luvvies do when you have a point of view different from them and they can't support facts to counter your argument. They usually scream louder and stamp their feet. I am surprised I never got a picture of a skinhead and the word Whetherspoons thrown around. If you have anything constructive to say do. If you just throw insults, move on by. Well, a young fogey then? Congrats on your 17 years in Thailand. Interesting given your expertise here you’ve never seen a single migrant labourer. You brought up the topic, and I was addressing it. as for insults, yes well I’d go back and re read your posts if I was you... Edited January 20, 2020 by samran 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 12 hours ago, puipuitom said: Who will pick the crops then ? The British themselves… get hands dirty ? ? I doubt it will be the City bankers who go out to the fields, so probably the ex car factory workers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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