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"Black Snow" - when are the authorities going to do something serious about sugar cane burning?

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3 hours ago, DrTuner said:

I remember growing up in country side. I did see somebody burn a field once. I think it was in 1975. 

Black snow. It used to be called Black Gold because it was bringing much needed money into the local community once a year.

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1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

After the next blue moon.

Which will be 31st October 2020.....

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1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 You forgot about forming a committee which must report within seven days, and that committee must first form a committee to decide who shall sit on the committee. And so on. That delays things enough to give enough time for everyone to be distracted by something else that no-one wants to do anything about and forget the original problem.

Getting old and forgetful I are 🙂

 

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20 minutes ago, gavlar said:

I thought the factories weren't going to buy burnt cane anymore...easiest way to stop it.

Up here in North East the locals think it's a big joke....black snow...have no clue or simply dont care about their kids getting bronchial issues or maybe even worse.

Nephew has already spent a few days in hospital with the oxygen mask for his asthma and its still early in the cutting season.

In earlier news there were few fires being recorded in Thailand compared to Cambodia...I could see 5 within eyesight last night.

Absolutely disgraceful for a government to do nothing to stop it.

 

You can read the full story on the link I posted @ #10 an extract below in bigger font size.

 

An employee at a sugar-processing factory reveals that when they need to meet quota and demand, "we will take in any sugarcane stalks, freshly cut or burnt". At present, purchasing burnt sugarcane stalks is not illegal, but the pre-harvesting burning is a criminal offence that can carry a minimum penalty of two years' imprisonment and a 14,000 baht fine.

 

The local police station acknowledges the problem but cannot arrest wrongdoers, because the arson takes place at night. Setting fire in the farms is simple, requiring just a cigarette butt or a matchstick and drops of gasoline. The Pollution Control Department (PCD), which has been active in controlling the haze in the North and the South, cannot do much.

 

There is the attitude, cannot do much, yeh right whos pockets are getting field to turn and look the other way, and as its' the 2nd largest export, the $'s to be made are scary, very powerful people I would imagine, $ wise.

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Most things are about money, a Gofund may help incentivize action, let's all give so that we can be seen as agents of change...in the meantime, until change happens - suck it up!

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10 hours ago, webfact said:

when are the authorities going to do something serious about sugar cane burning?

You know the saying; "Don't hold your breath waiting." Though in this case holding your breath may be a requirement if you do not have a smog mask!

 

Lots o luck getting the Govt to do anything except line their own pockets. As for the farmers; ignorance is bliss.

 

Never have I seen a country shoot itself in its own foot like this one.... Paradise lost.... Sad.

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11 hours ago, webfact said:

"Black Snow" - when are the authorities going to do something serious about sugar cane burning?

Just tax 300% the sugar giants in Thailand, place a heavy duty on trade and export of sugar cane, no one will crop them anymore as demand will be less then half and we can have better hair to brief !

Safe Thailand, imposed heavy tax on anything with sugar !

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1 hour ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Never have I seen a country shoot itself in its own foot like this one.... Paradise lost.... Sad.

It's pretty much the standard here. Communism, khmer rouge, military coups, etc. If something works, break it ASAP. Welcome to SEA.

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1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

The local police station acknowledges the problem but cannot arrest wrongdoers, because the arson takes place at night.

 

this raised my eyebrow when i first read it. so why? they don't work at night? no torches? all drunk by nightfall?

 

makes no sense

 

can't they just pop round in the morning and arrest the landowner?

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, gavlar said:

I thought the factories weren't going to buy burnt cane anymore...easiest way to stop it.

Up here in North East the locals think it's a big joke....black snow...have no clue or simply dont care about their kids getting bronchial issues or maybe even worse.

Nephew has already spent a few days in hospital with the oxygen mask for his asthma and its still early in the cutting season.

In earlier news there were few fires being recorded in Thailand compared to Cambodia...I could see 5 within eyesight last night.

Absolutely disgraceful for a government to do nothing to stop it.

 

 

The government has nothing to do with it. They have put laws in place but they are ignored by both the police and the citizens. Thais will always do whatever they want to do, regardless of advice or consequences. Basically, they are ungovernable and their attitude is deep-rooted.  Without an effective police force there is anarchy. Of course, the government, any government over the past decades, announce so many ridiculous laws that are unenforceable everyone ignores them. The problem with that is it leads to them ignoring all laws. It's like a cancer that spreads all through society.

 

There's a law, by the way, that all lorries carrying sugar cane must have their loads secured under tarpaulins. That is to prevent them dropping their load on the road which is hazardous and sometimes deadly to motorcyclists. Has anyone every seen a load covered or a driver prosecuted? Nobody in Thailand gives a rat's fart about anything, even if it can lead to fatalities.

 

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It seems the government has decided to do something

they can't or wan't to stop and fine the burners

so they will subsidize the no burners.

 

It's better than nothing, but i don't get it

how in a country with an authoritarian style goverment

where in fact the army can still put in charge for security reasons

they are not able to stop a bunch of criminals burning lands for profit

endangering the health of millions of citizens?

 

''The Department of Pollution Control has reported the burning of sugarcane in plantations to prepare for a new planting season has been a major cause of PM 2.5 airborne dust, particularly from December to April during which sugarcane in plantations is harvested. The burning activity is likely to have a severe effect in the dry season when there’s low humidity in the air.

 

Industry Minister Suriya Juangroongruangkit recently discussed the matter with four organizations representing sugarcane planters: the National Federation of Sugarcane Planters; the Northeastern Sugarcane Planters Association; the United Association of Sugarcane Planters of Thailand and the Federation of Sugarcane Planters of Thailand. The Ministry of Industry plans to assist sugarcane planters by providing financial assistance in aid for a ton of fresh sugarcane bound for sugar making factories.

 

The Office of the Sugarcane and Sugar Committee, is to propose measures to provide a sum of 10 billion baht in immediate aid to sugarcane planters in the 2019/2020 season. The sum will be divided into two parts – one amounting to 6.5 billion baht for aid in sugarcane production and the other amounting to 3.5 billion baht for planters who harvest fresh sugarcane.

 

The planters who have harvested fresh sugarcane and supplied it to sugar factories will be given over 1,000 baht per ton, meaning their fresh sugarcane will receive about 130 baht more than burnt sugarcane per ton. The measures are part of the effort to reduce PM 2.5 airborne dust particles and alleviate the woes of the sugarcane planters. About 50% of all sugarcane supplied to sugar factories is expected to be fresh sugarcane this year.''

 

Source Pattayanews 19 jan 2020

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Here in Pattaya every day is worse than the previous.

The ''view'' from my balcony is a permanent fog and i start to have

problems of sore troats.

 

 

smoke in the air 003.JPG

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I have decided yesterday to buy some masks in Big C

from the brand 3M both with the N95 norm

I use the two now everytime i go out

the little one (17 baths) has an active carbon filter

and the big one (99 bahts the 2 items) is more sealed, i hope it should be enough to protect me

Since i live in Thailand, i never tought i'd get there one day, but now it's no longer a choice,

sad, really

 

 

air pollution protection mask 001.JPG

air pollution protection mask 002.JPG

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