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Hi all.

 

I have a bit of a dilemma. I need to send some things overseas that require an active cooling system. The packages are small, but contain herbal remedies. Nothing illegal, however the nature of the products means that the private couriers FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc. will not accept them. They say "use the post office".

 

OK, not a problem but Thailand Post says that absolutely anything containing *ANY* kind of battery is forbidden. Doesn't matter if it is lithium, alkaline, sealed, invisible, etc. If it is any kind of power source, the answer is no. They are just way over the top with their restrictions. No other postal service in the world is that egregious with their policies, but this is Thailand and it is what it is.

 

So basically, the Thai private couriers won't take the items because of the contents. And Thailand Post won't take the items because it contains a battery.

 

Are there any other options? I have heard that there are logistics services that can ship through Singapore Post from Thailand, but I have no idea who these might be. Can anyone think of any other shipping options that are relatively inexpensive, will make ultimate delivery through the destination country's postal system (so no customs clearance issues), and have a realistic policy about batteries?

 

Most packages will be shipped to Europe or the US, but occasionally to other countries as well.

 

Any suggestions are appreciated.

 

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Any items entering a country will be subject to Customs clearance there is no bypassing that. (that I am aware of).

You would need to check the destination country policy on batteries too, as pointless finding a way to get it there, if customs/postal policy prohibits its progression and its destroyed at entry.

 

This seems on the face of it, more trouble than its worth, my suggestion would be ship without said battery and tell customer to purchase locally and avoid the whole issue.

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21 minutes ago, Monomial said:

So basically, the Thai private couriers won't take the items because of the contents. And Thailand Post won't take the items because it contains a battery.

You can buy anything you want from AliExpress (China).

Nobody checks, nobody cares.

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I will do it 😎

Return ticket will be required.

Batteries will be included!

 

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16 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Any items entering a country will be subject to Customs clearance there is no bypassing that. (that I am aware of).

You would need to check the destination country policy on batteries too, as pointless finding a way to get it there, if customs/postal policy prohibits its progression and its destroyed at entry.

 

This seems on the face of it, more trouble than its worth, my suggestion would be ship without said battery and tell customer to purchase locally and avoid the whole issue.

The issue isn't customs clearance. The issue is the  private couriers in Thailand (DHL, FedEx, etc.) do not want to accept the responsibility for clearance. There is no issue clearing these products when shipped by post. They are not illegal.

 

I can not ship without the battery, as it is necessary to run the active cooling system to keep the product temperature stable during transport.

 

Also, there is no other country that has an eggregious battery policy like Thailand post. Alkaline batteries are not disallowed anywhere except in Thailand.

 

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11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You can buy anything you want from AliExpress (China).

Nobody checks, nobody cares.

This is for exporting from Thailand, not importing.

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2 minutes ago, Monomial said:

This is for exporting from Thailand, not importing.

My mistake.

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8 minutes ago, ianezy0 said:

I will do it 😎

Return ticket will be required.

Batteries will be included!

 

My budget is on the order of $10 per package if you want to do it for me....

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"Alkaline batteries are not disallowed anywhere except in Thailand"

 

Royal Mail would disagree with you "

  • UK destinations - Not allowed in the mail

Batteries - new alkaline metal, nickel metal hydride (NiMH), nickel cadmium (NiCd), zinc-air and zinc chloride  Including D, C, 9V, AA, AAA and AAAA alkaline batteries.

 

 

The US mail service stipulates they MUST be removed from the item therefore defeating the object you are using them for.

"All batteries are considered hazardous when shipped; it is important to be aware of what you can send and what you can't. ... If you are sending day-to-day batteries such as AA or AAA, be sure to remove them from the electrical item they are used for."

 

This probably why the couriers wont as they wont be responsible for rejection or disposal on arrival in another country.

 

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10 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

"Alkaline batteries are not disallowed anywhere except in Thailand"

 

Royal Mail would disagree with you "

  • UK destinations - Not allowed in the mail

Batteries - new alkaline metal, nickel metal hydride (NiMH), nickel cadmium (NiCd), zinc-air and zinc chloride  Including D, C, 9V, AA, AAA and AAAA alkaline batteries.

 

 

The US mail service stipulates they MUST be removed from the item therefore defeating the object you are using them for.

"All batteries are considered hazardous when shipped; it is important to be aware of what you can send and what you can't. ... If you are sending day-to-day batteries such as AA or AAA, be sure to remove them from the electrical item they are used for."

 

This probably why the couriers wont as they wont be responsible for rejection or disposal on arrival in another country.

 

yeah was going to say the same.. UK post destroyed a fairly valuable item of mine because my brother didnt declare the battery.. 

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Can you post a link to the cooling device which you are using?

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1 hour ago, jackdd said:

Can you post a link to the cooling device which you are using?

 

No, because I built it myself. But it is basically nothing more than 12706 Thermoelectric peltier cooler, a very low power Cortex M0+, a few passives, an NDT thermistor and a battery. All that is wrapped in a thick XPS box with the outside coated in an aluminum foil heat sink which is connected to the hot side of the TEC.  The foil never needs to get over 1 - 2 degrees above ambient for a short time to dissipate the heat that seeps through the heavy insulation.  The small inside compartment is actively protected at just above room temperature when sitting in a hot warehouse for days at a time.

 

Models predict I need approximately 5 Watt-hours of energy to keep the product below 30 degrees for the 3 weeks of transit through the post office.

 

Unfortunately, it looks as if the whole idea is DOA if I can not find anyone willing to transport the packaging.  I find it discouraging that unnecessary and ill conceived regulation can kill any kind of innovtion.

 

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A homemade battery-operated contraption to cool strange herbs? I don't think customs anywhere will look at this kindly.

 

You might consider an express dispatch with the stuff packed in dry ice. A lot more expensive but a courier might be willing to take you on.

 

And have you considered air drying the herbs and sending them as is? I thought dehydrated herbs last forever.

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It seems odd because i buy loads of stuff from Lazada and Aliexpress and they all come with batteries.

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It seems that the terms "postal service" and "courier service" are being used interchangeably.

 

To be clear, postal services such as Thailand Post, Royal UK Mail, Hong Kong Post etc. will refuse shipments containing batteries, regardless of battery size.

This especially applies to international shipments - although, they maybe lenient if the shipment is domestic.

 

The only reliable way to ship "goods containing batteries" or "goods shipped with batteries" (i.e. battery not contained inside the equipment itself) internationally,

is to either use a freight forwarder or a courier service (DHL/UPS/FedEx).


Further restrictions apply in courier services as well, depending on the battery size (in wH), 

although I won't get into that here.

 

 

 

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