webfact Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 UK PM Johnson defeated on Brexit legislation for first time since election Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson speaks at the UK-Africa Investment Summit in London, Britain January 20, 2020. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government was defeated in parliament on Monday for the first time since a December election, with the upper chamber voting in favour of a move to protect the rights of EU citizens in Britain after Brexit. Johnson's Conservatives won a large majority in the lower chamber, the House of commons, at the Dec. 12 vote and lawmakers there quickly approved the legislation needed to ratify his exit deal with Brussels earlier this month. The legislation is now passing through the House of Lords, where the government does not have a majority. While the upper chamber is not expected to block passage of the bill, it is seeking to make changes. Members of the Lords voted by 270 to 229 in favour of a change put forward by the pro-EU Liberal Democrats which would give eligible EU citizens in Britain an automatic right to stay after Brexit, rather than having to apply to the government to do so. It would also ensure they are given physical proof of their right to remain. The government has said only that people will be given a "secure digital status" which links to their passport. Last week, European Parliament Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt said Britain had told him it was looking into the possibility of providing a physical document to EU citizens but Johnson's spokesman said he was not aware of any plans. The government is facing a second defeat in the Lords later on Monday, when members vote on an amendment which would ensure protections for child refugees, a promise made by Johnson's predecessor, Theresa May, but absent from his legislation. Any changes to the legislation made by the House of Lords have to go back to the House of Commons to be approved and could still be overturned. (Reporting by Kylie MacLellan; editing by Nick Macfie) -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-21 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smedly Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2020 means absolutely nothing, which is why that place is a waste of space and should be disbanded 19 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alant Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2020 defeated by an unelected body that has consistently gone against the electorate on Brexit. Agree with smedly should be disbanded. 17 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momofarang Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Reckon that if one questions the right of established EU citizens to stay in UK, one should accept bravely all the measures taken by the Thais to incited cheap charlie retirees to leave Thai soil. Guess that the UK retirees in France and Spain should be scrutinized too. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just a reminder for all those 'run to the hills' we need the EU raed the link at the bottom. As for the HoL they should not be moved to York but disbanded. typical Liberal lefties who care more about others than their own. And Labour are still scratching their head wondering why they lost the election. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/british-economy-will-grow-faster-than-eurozone-rivals-says-imf-k2h3vbdjm 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 The House of Lords needs to be very careful. There are already serious questions about abolishing this outdated, unelected body. If they start interfering in Brexit there could be a massive backlash. Personally I think the HOL should be abolished ASAP. It's a disgrace. 16 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, alant said: defeated by an unelected body that has consistently gone against the electorate on Brexit. Agree with smedly should be disbanded. I disagree, a body separate from the mob is part of checks and balance. 12 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just the next <deleted> loser hurdle to overcome 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheDark Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, JonnyF said: The House of Lords needs to be very careful. There are already serious questions about abolishing this outdated, unelected body. If they start interfering in Brexit there could be a massive backlash. Personally I think the HOL should be abolished ASAP. It's a disgrace. UK full steam ahead to the brave new future. - Dismantling the House of Lords - Dismantling Royal institution - Dismantling Union of countries - Dismantling international relationships - Dismantling trade deals - Dismantling food security - Dismantling healthcare - Dismantling trust of institutions - Dismantling internal unity between people I wonder what comes next. 10 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheDark said: UK full steam ahead to the brave new future. - Dismantling the House of Lords - Dismantling Royal institution - Dismantling Union of countries - Dismantling international relationships - Dismantling trade deals - Dismantling food security - Dismantling healthcare - Dismantling trust of institutions - Dismantling internal unity between people I wonder what comes next. I prefer Democratically elected bodies. I can see how a Europhile like yourself would support the undemocratic processes such as the one that brought Von Der Leyen to power and allows hereditary peers in the House of Lords. However, I don't support such undemocratic positions in a modern political system. As for your comments on dismantling food security and trust of institutions etc. maybe it's time to get back on the meds. 10 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Last week, European Parliament Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt said Britain had told him it was looking into the possibility of providing a physical document to EU citizens but Johnson's spokesman said he was not aware of any plans. Being aware of any plans more like???? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TheDark said: I wonder what comes next. Your quarantine? Even the BBC are expecting this nonsense to be reversed, and I note elsewhere that Corbyn is hoping to send the Hobbit to the HoL when he resigns. Edited January 21, 2020 by evadgib 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 Johnson will reform the House of Lords. He will flood the place with swivel eyed Brexit loons like Tim Martin. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 40 minutes ago, soalbundy said: I disagree, a body separate from the mob is part of checks and balance. By mob, I assume you mean democratically elected members of Parliament? Before the General Election all I heard from Remainers was "Parliament is sovereign". Now the swamp has been drained and it is representative of the electorate, it's a "mob". ???? 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: Last week, European Parliament Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt said Britain had told him it was looking into the possibility of providing a physical document to EU citizens but Johnson's spokesman said he was not aware of any plans. Well, he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proboscis Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, TheDark said: UK full steam ahead to the brave new future. - Dismantling the House of Lords - Dismantling Royal institution - Dismantling Union of countries - Dismantling international relationships - Dismantling trade deals - Dismantling food security - Dismantling healthcare - Dismantling trust of institutions - Dismantling internal unity between people I wonder what comes next. Disbanding the rule of law through abolishing judicial review? Boris has already said that the courts cannot "interfere." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: By mob, I assume you mean democratically elected members of Parliament? Before the General Election all I heard from Remainers was "Parliament is sovereign". Now the swamp has been drained and it is representative of the electorate, it's a "mob". ???? You are hanging a lot of your righteousness on your assumption that ‘the mob’ is Parliament. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are hanging a lot of your righteousness on your assumption that ‘the mob’ is Parliament. So are you going to inform us all who is the mob in the context below? I disagree, a body separate from the mob is part of checks and balance. Given that the "body" is the House Of Lords? Who is the mob? Pray tell, oh mystic one. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, JonnyF said: So are you going to inform us all who is the mob in the context below? I disagree, a body separate from the mob is part of checks and balance. Given that the "body" is the House Of Lords? Who is the mob? Pray tell, oh mystic one. The mob might be any group of the general public, past examples include rioting poll tax opponents, city center rioters. Any group that through mass action might sway parliament, regardless of whether that action is lawful or not. Who knows it might include a religious group acting in unison. Mobs have a long history predating Parliament by centuries. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The mob might be any group of the general public, past examples include rioting poll tax opponents, city center rioters. Any group that through mass action might sway parliament, regardless of whether that action is lawful or not. Who knows it might include a religious group acting in unison. Mobs have a long history predating Parliament by centuries. Why would such a mob be able to sway Parliament but not the House of Lords? Given that the House of Lords are generally old age pensioners and there are half as many of them as the HOC, why would they be able to not be swayed by a rioting illegal mob? Are they all ex-SAS MMA fighters or something? Nice try, but a massive fail. He was clearly referring to the unelected HOL providing checks and balances to the elected House of Commons and you know it. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thingamabob Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, TheDark said: UK full steam ahead to the brave new future. - Dismantling the House of Lords - Dismantling Royal institution - Dismantling Union of countries - Dismantling international relationships - Dismantling trade deals - Dismantling food security - Dismantling healthcare - Dismantling trust of institutions - Dismantling internal unity between people I wonder what comes next. Pathetic. Time to grow up. 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Krataiboy Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 hours ago, alant said: defeated by an unelected body that has consistently gone against the electorate on Brexit. Agree with smedly should be disbanded. Sending the Lords "oop north" should soon thin their ranks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughing Gravy Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Krataiboy said: Sending the Lords "oop north" should soon thin their ranks. I think you are being unfair to the North. They hate them just as much. Better to disband the HoL and put them in a boat heading to Brussels where they belong.???? Edited January 21, 2020 by Laughing Gravy 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I thought that by convention The House of Lords did not block or otherwise impede Government legislation which was part of the manifesto on which said government was elected? Maybe that is no longer the case - since an entirely disproportionate (by comparison with the electoral representation of their party) proportion - The Liberal Democrat members - now take their lead from Mr Guy Verhofstadt. Incidentally he ( Guy Verhofstadt ) could do with a haircut! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: Why would such a mob be able to sway Parliament but not the House of Lords? Given that the House of Lords are generally old age pensioners and there are half as many of them as the HOC, why would they be able to not be swayed by a rioting illegal mob? Are they all ex-SAS MMA fighters or something? Nice try, but a massive fail. He was clearly referring to the unelected HOL providing checks and balances to the elected House of Commons and you know it. Because Parliament is subject to elections. (A point you seem to have forgotten somewhere between you last few posts). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Because Parliament is subject to elections. (A point you seem to have forgotten somewhere between you last few posts). What does that have to do with illegal mobs? Parliament is accountable to the people via the ballot box, not because a few hundred people riot in London. If we get the equivalent of the poll tax riots again, the riot police will deal with it, not some 85 year old wigs in the House of Lords shaking their walking sticks. ???? Are you seriously suggesting the House of Lords is required in case of illegal rioting mobs? The 'mob' he was referring to being kept in check by the House of Lords was the House of Commons. Not a load of shaved headed tattooed thugs throwing bricks outside Parliament. It's clear as day. So admit it. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse123 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Rookiescot said: Johnson will reform the House of Lords. He will flood the place with swivel eyed Brexit loons like Tim Martin. Sooner the better! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Krataiboy said: Sending the Lords "oop north" should soon thin their ranks. And save us some cash. The snivelling metropolitan elitists won’t travel out of their political bubble to God’s Own Country, even for their £300+ daily attendance allowance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, JAG said: Incidentally he ( Guy Verhofstadt ) could do with a haircut! yes, very assuring that Verhofstadt and BJ have matters in common . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post puipuitom Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, JonnyF said: I prefer Democratically elected bodies. I can see how a Europhile like yourself would support the undemocratic processes such as the one that brought Von Der Leyen to power and allows hereditary peers in the House of Lords. However, I don't support such undemocratic positions in a modern political system. As for your comments on dismantling food security and trust of institutions etc. maybe it's time to get back on the meds. The EU is an UNION of NATIONS, NOT a government of a normal country. That's why the heads of gevernment of the EU member states are the real cremium of power. And THEY and THEY ONLY elect the president ( former Tusk, now Michel) of the EU Council + the president ( former: Jucker, now Von der Leyen) of the EU Committee, a kind of council of ministers, from each EU member state one. Time you learn at least something of the EU... or is it you are british so against… whatever… no need to know, as the British know by birth everything better ? ? The secretary general of the UN, NATO, WTO, WHO, FIFA, Olympic Committee, IMF, World Bank, are also not elected by the voters of the world. Edited January 21, 2020 by puipuitom 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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