mogandave Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Sujo said: 1. You said you could easily be convinced but you dont want the senate to call evidence. If i am mistaken i apologise. You are mistaken. Quote 2. Impeachment is indeed the investigation, impeachment is their is evidence to charge. Congress found evidence to charge. Senate is the trial where all evidence, new and old is called. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, such as it is. Quote 3. Really you need to ask that? All senators take an oath to be fair and impartial prior to to trial. So tell me how can they do that without witnesses. Name me a trial that had no witnesses or documents. Name me a trial where the judge would allow almost half the people on the jury to have stated publicly the defendant was guilty? Many people seem to be claiming that no documents or testimony will be allowed, This is just a lie. All of the testimony and documents the House used to impeach the President will be permitted. To be clear, have you not been insisting that the witness testimony and documentary evidence presented by the House overwhelming proved he was guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skeptic7 Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 16 hours ago, mlmcleod said: There is no way in hell that the Republicans will allow witnesses to tell the truth at Trump's bogus impeachment trial. I love that they keep harping that Hunter Biden should be included as a witness although he has no evidence to produce concerning Trump. This so reminds me of the "what about Hillary's emails?" noise that the Republicans have spouted since the 2016 election. Their approach is to baffle the public with excessive BS so they have no idea of the truth! The founding fathers forgot about partisanship in the senate! Great post, but doubtful the Founders ever imagined such gross corruption and dishonesty. The GOP is unrecognizable now from even a decade ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, Berkshire said: Come on. The GOP congress had no qualms about impeaching Clinton for....lying about a BJ? If they had anything on President Obama, they would have gone after him. But they had nothing. Obama was squeaky clean. I was loaded for most of the Clinton era, and Republicans generally admit it was a mistake. That said, there was bipartisan support to impeach him and he had committed eleven felonies prior to the impeachment hearing and was subsequently disbarred. Obama did a number of things that would be impeachable by the standards used to impeach Trump. But most GOO members did not believe anything he did rose to the level of impeachment, and the ones that did remembered the Clinton impeachment debacle. Everyone knew that trying to impeach a popular President that was also a darling of the press would not end well for them. Trump is the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, mogandave said: I was loaded for most of the Clinton era, and Republicans generally admit it was a mistake. That said, there was bipartisan support to impeach him and he had committed eleven felonies prior to the impeachment hearing and was subsequently disbarred. Obama did a number of things that would be impeachable by the standards used to impeach Trump. But most GOO members did not believe anything he did rose to the level of impeachment, and the ones that did remembered the Clinton impeachment debacle. Everyone knew that trying to impeach a popular President that was also a darling of the press would not end well for them. Trump is the opposite. Actually, I was with Pelosi on NOT impeaching Trump after Mueller. But the Ukraine thing was just too much. We all seem numb to it now, but when this first came out, I thought it was absolutely outrageous. I recall certain Republican Senators saying that if it were true, it was definitely impeachable. They're all pretty silent now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Berkshire said: Actually, I was with Pelosi on NOT impeaching Trump after Mueller. But the Ukraine thing was just too much. We all seem numb to it now, but when this first came out, I thought it was absolutely outrageous. I recall certain Republican Senators saying that if it were true, it was definitely impeachable. They're all pretty silent now. They’re supposed to be silent. The are supposed to be considering the case the House is presenting. The case the House was to have completed. The case that the House really does not seem too concerned about as long as they can attack the GOP on TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 21 hours ago, mercman24 said: well on the outside looking in, it seems that other lot done <deleted> all in the 8 years they were in office, in 3 years this guy has turned the American economy around . Why post such nonsense when all the stats show Obama started the recovery after the crash and helped by reeling in the Wall St bankers and putting in place regulations to try to prevent it again, but trump revoked some of those.........and now despite promising he would reel in the deficit, under him it has blown out threefold! Just like his own dealings, he is fond of debt, owing many millions of dollars to financial institutions, and as another poster has said, he has no idea of fiscal responsibility so be prepared for more debt, but unlike what he did to his contractors, he cannot declare bankruptcy. In a nutshell, he is a dumb crook. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, rudi49jr said: On 1/23/2020 at 6:51 AM, TopDeadSenter said: more respected internationally That’s funny, because I thought America, and Trump in particular, had become the laughing stock and international pariah that no one trusts anymore. Indeed, you've only got to see the huge amount of cartoons and video clips ridiculing trump to know that this is true and he is not well respected by anyone, apart from himself, and the clip of one of the world leaders holding a "make-believe gun" with his fingers at trump's back says it all. The man is a laughingstock and will unfortunately make the world look at America in the same way (see the clip below) IMG_6199.MOV Edited January 24, 2020 by xylophone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sujo Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, mogandave said: Please don’t lie about what I say. I never said I could be convinced before hearing the evidence. You just made that up. Yeah, a lot of guys here have the same incorrect recollection. While it’s true Trump used Executive Privilege to block testimony (the same as Obama did), the House chose not to take him to court (unlike when the House took Obama to court) and compel the testimony. But that the House did not complete their case doesn’t concern you does it? Wow House members also swear a sacred oath yet they refused to do their job and then they stand up and lie in front of Congress while the clapping seals on the left applaud. But that doesn’t concern you either, right? Wow indeed Trump has never ordered executive privilege on any witness. yes it does concern me that trump obstructed congresss in doing its constitutional duty. But the got enough evidence from republicans to issue 2 articles to go to trial where the senate can call witnesses. No witnesses, no documents, no trial. House members never swore an oath before the investigation. But all senators did before the trial. keep posting, eventually you will get something right. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xylophone Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Sujo said: keep posting, eventually you will get something right. You'll be here a few years waiting for that to happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sujo Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, mogandave said: You are mistaken. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, such as it is. Name me a trial where the judge would allow almost half the people on the jury to have stated publicly the defendant was guilty? Many people seem to be claiming that no documents or testimony will be allowed, This is just a lie. All of the testimony and documents the House used to impeach the President will be permitted. To be clear, have you not been insisting that the witness testimony and documentary evidence presented by the House overwhelming proved he was guilty? What congress does is not just my opinion, its fact. so you cant name me a trial that has no witnesses or documents. You also conveniently leave out what Graham and moscow mitch have said. you do realise that no documents where provided to the house. So there are no documents. Now tell me who is to be called as witnesses? Everyone knows hes guilty. Even his legal team do not say he is innocent. They only argue process and that his crime is not worthy of removal. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhonThong Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 8:03 AM, sirineou said: I hope the Republicans continue on the path they are on. It will show the country what they really are. Winners! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Democrats Call Their Star Witness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, PhonThong said: Winners! No problem being winners but seriously let loose that Trump who bring a bad name to the Republican Party’s basic principles of fiscal sanity, free trade, strong on Russia and character and personal responsibilities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhonThong Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Eric Loh said: No problem being winners but seriously let loose that Trump who bring a bad name to the Republican Party’s basic principles of fiscal sanity, free trade, strong on Russia and character and personal responsibilities. A bad name to who? The Democratic party? Republicans love him. His base is stronger than ever. It is going to be so good when the Republican regain control of the house. The Dems have nothing to run on. They haven't accomplished anything other than spend millions in taxpayer money on witch hunts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, PhonThong said: A bad name to who? The Democratic party? Republicans love him. His base is stronger than ever. It is going to be so good when the Republican regain control of the house. The Dems have nothing to run on. They haven't accomplished anything other than spend millions in taxpayer money on witch hunts. I admire your steadfast loyalty but you not seeing the forest for the trees. His base is eroding especially the farmers and even Evangelical. The younger base loathe him and he is not winning in popularity with non white. He created the House lose and the senate house will follow. Just look at his overall approval ratings that have never climbed above 50%. Things are going south and his shenanigans will damage his party for years to come. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, PhonThong said: A bad name to who? The Democratic party? Republicans love him. His base is stronger than ever. It is going to be so good when the Republican regain control of the house. The Dems have nothing to run on. They haven't accomplished anything other than spend millions in taxpayer money on witch hunts. You do know they actually made money on the witch hunt. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Throatwobbler Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 15 hours ago, mogandave said: 1. What does that have to do with what I said? 2. This wasn’t just an investigation, it was an impeachment. 3. What does that have to do with anything? I can only presume that you are a liberal impersonating a Trump supporter to help prove that Trump supporters are not smart. The alternative is that you actually believe everything that you have written and that you really have so little understanding of what is happening is too scary to contemplate. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 hours ago, PhonThong said: Winners! It is spelled with tho Es not Ns Weenies 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhonThong Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Eric Loh said: I admire your steadfast loyalty but you not seeing the forest for the trees. His base is eroding especially the farmers and even Evangelical. The younger base loathe him and he is not winning in popularity with non white. He created the House lose and the senate house will follow. Just look at his overall approval ratings that have never climbed above 50%. Things are going south and his shenanigans will damage his party for years to come. President Trump’s approval rating has neared 50 percent heading into the 2020 election year, according to a Hill-HarrisX poll released on Monday. Forty-nine percent of Americans surveyed said they approve of the president’s job performance, up from 46 percent from the previous Dec. 8-9 poll. Fifty-one percent said they disapprove, a drop from 54 percent earlier this month. Trump’s approval rating continues to be buoyed by his Republican base, where his support remains strong. The latest survey shows that almost 9 in 10 GOP respondents — 87 percent — support Trump, compared to 22 percent of Democrats and 42 percent of independents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Sujo said: You do know they actually made money on the witch hunt. Yes, they have turned their persecution nonsense into a fundraising gold mine. Here is just one case: https://theweek.com/speedreads/890072/trump-campaign-using-video-martha-mcsally-calling-reporter-liberal-hack-raise-money Coming soon: GOP candidates will call this "the most important election of our lifetimes!" They do that at every election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhonThong Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 So when did they poll "MOST" Americans? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhonThong Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Eric Loh said: I admire your steadfast loyalty but you not seeing the forest for the trees. His base is eroding especially the farmers and even Evangelical. The younger base loathe him and he is not winning in popularity with non white. He created the House lose and the senate house will follow. Just look at his overall approval ratings that have never climbed above 50%. Things are going south and his shenanigans will damage his party for years to come. From the Washington Post. Americans still divided on Trump’s removal from office, but a strong economy is boosting his approval rating, Post-ABC poll finds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, PhonThong said: From the Washington Post. Americans still divided on Trump’s removal from office, but a strong economy is boosting his approval rating, Post-ABC poll finds. This time you 'forgot' to quote the ratings! ???? "The Post-ABC poll finds 44 percent of Americans approve of Trump's overall job performance and 51 percent disapprove" And from the same poll: "66% call for witnesses in Trump's impeachment trial: Poll" https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/66-call-witnesses-trumps-impeachment-trial-poll/story?id=68509143 Edited January 24, 2020 by candide 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 11:42 PM, sirineou said: If that is true then it must also be true about your polls. Yes, it’s true about all poles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricohoc Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 It's difficult to take any national polls seriously since 2015. Regarding any American's view of impeachment and witnesses, it's even more difficult to take seriously in light of the most current Nielsen Ratings that reveal that not many are watching. Tuesday - 11 million (approx 3% of US population) Wednesday - 8.9 million Thursday - 7.8 million (approx 2.3% of US population) Not many watching, and it appears that fewer and fewer are interested. Consider the fact that Nielsen Ratings showed a peak of 29 million viewers for the LSU vs Clemson national championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhonThong Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 Dems, and the media, have been trying to smear and unseat Trump from day one. It's estimated the Dems have wasted over $1 million per month, of our tax dollars, on the impeachment lie alone. Don't forget the $34 million, plus, on the Mueller investigation. And they're trying to impeach him for withholding our tax dollars from a corrupt government? Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi, Nadless, and their loony muppets in the House and Senate should be held accountable for this massive Fraud, Waste and Abuse. If your an American and this doesn't upset you. Then you are part of the problem. You are surviving on hate alone. The Democrats are wasting money that could be used for the better good, but their hate for Trump is too much for them to care about the American people. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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