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Sugar cane farmer: Burning is necessary - Go ahead "jail us all!"


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6 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

Thai prisons are already packed;
almost 200,000 prisoners for a population of 68 million inhabitants; more than 80% of the Thai prisoners are there because of conveying and use of hard drugs;
they are almost irremediable, the first thing they do after leaving prison is to start again trafficking and consumption of these same drugs with often the key to many murders.

 

In France for an equivalent population there are only 70,000 prisoners.

 

The solution has been given several times on different posts in this forum and just above:
form cooperatives of suitable materials, mechanize the cutting so no need to burn the feet of the canes and also train maintenance staff for these materials And in the cooperatives we can add harvesters, devices to automatically plant rice, like this is done in Japan ..
So materials that will come out according to the needs of local farmers who will only have to pay the rental.
I see in my village farmers who have gone into debt up to their necks to buy these types of equipment that only work a few months a year; for rice it is even worse, the harvest generally lasts less than a month and for 11 months the harvester remains at rest.
The least expensive, the least sophisticated still costs the trifle of 1 million baht.

Just think how many the government could buy for the cost of one fairly useless submarine and equally, how much better that would be for the people of Thailand.

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And his attitude sums up the problem completely. He is utterly ignorant of the combined pollution he and his fellow farmers produce. To save some money he is happy to watch everyone elses health suffe

you will note that the cane is burnt before it's harvested (see the image) and it's to clear out the matted lower growth (and snakes).  It is not to burn the residue.   This is not necessary

You just can't help stupid can you.....off to jail for a long time, set an example, that might help the other stupids ?

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4 hours ago, saengd said:

The wife tells me there are now two prices for sugar cane offered by the government which includes a higher price where the cane has not been burned, seems like a good incentive to me. If that's true, what's this idiots problem!

Probably that it takes a longer time and a lot more people (that he will have to pay for) and the cost will come out of his pocket and profits.

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5 hours ago, newcomer71 said:

Exactly. And once the fire has been put off, show him the fat bill. As seen as to people like him, what does count is only the profit, hit him in the pocket. Next time he'll think twice.

Also give him the bill of all the air purifiers and mouthmasks we had to buy....

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8 hours ago, Lloydyboy said:

It's not only Thailand that burns the sugar cane before harvesting, it happens in Florida too, see here>

https://civileats.com/2019/07/15/burning-sugarcane-in-florida-is-making-people-sick-could-green-harvesting-change-the-game/

This is common everywhere they grow sugar cane. Florida, Caribbean, Central America. Not saying it is the right way but it is how it is done, especially where the farmers are poor.   It is not just this one Thai farmer.  From what I have seen many Thai farmers live hand to mouth - what are they going to buy a cane harvester with ?

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9 hours ago, Bassosa said:

no one took responsibility

Ah, where have we heard this before. No responsibility.... The source of many problems in this country. To which we can add.... ignorance!

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7 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

About 10 million baht.

Could be interesting to make a cost-benefit comparison vs. manual harvesting. 

I can not remember how much they are paying for the two submarines ... Maybe only buy one and get a few JD harvesters 😉 ... I wonder if most of the workers which then will not be needed are local Thais or guest workers from Laos ...  In any case it would be better for everyone concerned if the government  pay them (the Thais) just to keep the streets clean (they could get some guidance from China in that respect ...)  The cost of pollution is just astronomical ...

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9 hours ago, webfact said:

He said he faced going to jail for years and the punishment would be worse than being accused of theft

I do agree with him that punishments in Thailand usually do not suit the violation.

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I'm not anti sugar but the world does not need this crop especially if this is the cost. I bet we'd all be absolutely shocked at what a kg of processed natural cane sugar sells for at the commodity level. Not to mention the water involved. What about sugar beets?

 

What a fool

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Another issue that no one seems to be able to find a solution for so the policy is to ignore it and maybe it will go away. Short of that arresting a few offenders allows for a claim that effort is being made to stop the smog.

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Let them find a use for the stalks that would allow someone to harvest them for free like making bags or something like that. Could they be used for thatch on barns or even houses? Shurely there must be a use for the product? However the burning has to be stopped. If arrests and large fines are the only way the so be it. If a 100,000 baht fine per burned acre is levied, I am sure it will have the desired effect. I am severley affected and am a prisoner in my own condo as I have emphysema, bronchitis and asthma. My child is also suffering. 

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10 hours ago, Matzzon said:

This is a MF stupid moron, that needs to go to jail for a long time. Only his disrespectful attitude to the law and the iones upholding it should be enough to punish him.

There is perfectly good ways to take care of this problem, that many other countries are dealing very well with, so he can take his poor excuses an push up his MF big ar5e!

In the Burdekin area of Queensland 9 million tonnes of cane are burnt every year.

No major pollution problems there. Stop scapegoating the cane farmers and look at the real causes of pollution.

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10 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

Hes a liar! A cane harvester can do the job and the left overs plowed right back.in the soil.

The problem is when the growth of the cane isnt good they chose to hand cut and pay pathetic poor locals because its cheaper than a harvester.

That said many new attatchments are available for all tractors that dont cost much at all but all local orbator places could organize a shared system but nobody cares.

This guy has 1000rai full of sugarcane. He aint poor! Thats fact!!

He is killing people, hes a polluter, send him to prison!! And all the rest of them for destroying the country, tourism, etc..

You are talking nonsense. The ' leftovers' are the sugar cane plant that will ratoon for up to five years and still be commercially viable. A farmer would be insane, and go broke quickly, following your advice. You haven't got a clue.

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11 hours ago, Lloydyboy said:

It's not only Thailand that burns the sugar cane before harvesting, it happens in Florida too, see here>

https://civileats.com/2019/07/15/burning-sugarcane-in-florida-is-making-people-sick-could-green-harvesting-change-the-game/

Out of curiosity I watched some videos of mechanized sugarcane harvesting (unburned), mostly in Louisiana, USA.  The poster "AerialAg" mentioned in one comment that the leftover chaff that was in the field was burned in place prior to the next planting.

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8 hours ago, Sumarianson said:

Let them find a use for the stalks that would allow someone to harvest them for free like making bags or something like that. Could they be used for thatch on barns or even houses? Shurely there must be a use for the product? However the burning has to be stopped. If arrests and large fines are the only way the so be it. If a 100,000 baht fine per burned acre is levied, I am sure it will have the desired effect. I am severley affected and am a prisoner in my own condo as I have emphysema, bronchitis and asthma. My child is also suffering. 

The stalks ARE the product which produce sugar when processed.

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