snoop1130 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 China locks down two cities at epicentre of virus outbreak By Yawen Chen, Se Young Lee Children wear masks to prevent an outbreak of a new coronavirus at the Hong Kong West Kowloon High Speed Train Station, in Hong Kong, China January 23, 2020. REUTERS/Tyrone Siu BEIJING (Reuters) - China put on lockdown on Thursday two cities at the epicentre of a new coronavirus outbreak that has killed 17 people and infected nearly 600, as health authorities around the world scramble to prevent a global pandemic. Health officials fear the transmission rate will accelerate as hundreds of millions of Chinese travel at home and abroad during week-long holidays for the Lunar New Year, which begins on Saturday. The previously unknown virus strain is believed to have emerged late last year from illegally traded wildlife at an animal market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. Most transport in Wuhan, a city of 11 million people, was suspended on Thursday morning and people were told not to leave. Hours later, state media in neighbouring Huanggang, a city of some 6 million people, said it was imposing a similar lockdown. Chinese authorities gave no new details on the numbers of virus infections but it has been reported in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong, and several other countries including the United States, stoking fears it is already spreading worldwide. Wuhan’s city government said it would shut down all urban transport networks and suspend outgoing flights from 10 a.m. (0200 GMT). Domestic media said some airlines were operating after the deadline, however. State media broadcast images of one of Wuhan’s transport hubs, the Hankou rail station, nearly deserted, with gates blocked or barred. The government is urging citizens not to leave the city. State media reported highway toll booths around Wuhan were closing down, which would effectively cut off road exits. Guards were patrolling major highways, one resident told Reuters. As the city slipped into isolation, residents thronged into hospitals for checks and scrambled for supplies, clearing out supermarket shelves and queuing for petrol. Authorities in Huanggang ordered indoor entertainment venues including cinemas and internet cafes to close and were asking citizens not to leave other than under special circumstances, state media said. Authorities had confirmed 571 cases and 17 deaths by the end of Wednesday, China’s National Health Commission said. Earlier, it said another 393 suspected cases had been reported. Of eight known cases worldwide, Thailand has confirmed four, while Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the United States have reported one each. In a report on Wednesday, Imperial College London said it estimated a total of 4,000 cases of the coronavirus in Wuhan alone as of Jan. 18, an infection rate based on the number of cases reported in China and elsewhere. VIRUS SPREADINGIn contrast with its secrecy over the 2002-03 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) that killed nearly 800 people, China’s communist government has provided regular updates to avoid panic ahead of the holidays. During a visit to Wuhan, Vice Premier Sun Chunlan said authorities needed to be open about the virus and efforts to contain it, the official Xinhua news agency said. The World Health Organization (WHO) has said it will decide on Thursday whether to declare the outbreak a global health emergency, which would step up the international response. If it does so, it will be the sixth international public health emergency to be declared in the last decade. Some experts believe the new virus is not as dangerous as previous coronaviruses such as SARS and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), which has killed more than 700 people since 2012. “The early evidence at this stage would suggest it’s not as severe,” Australia’s Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy told reporters. WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva that China’s actions were “very strong” but called on it to take “more and significant measures to limit or minimise the international spread”. “We stressed to them that by having a strong action not only they will control the outbreak in their country but they will also minimise the chances of this outbreak spreading internationally. So they recognise that,” he said. Despite China’s response, stock markets across Asia were on the back foot on Thursday, led by drops of roughly 1.5% in Hong Kong and Shanghai while China’s yuan fell to a two-week low. [MKTS/GLOB] FLIGHTS, RAIL SUSPENDED There is no vaccine for the virus, which can spread through respiratory transmission. Symptoms include fever, difficulty in breathing and cough, similar to many other respiratory illnesses. Preliminary research suggested the virus was passed on to humans from snakes, but government medical adviser Zhong Nanshan has also identified badgers and rats as possible sources. Confirmed sufferers include 15 medical workers. Many Chinese were cancelling trips, buying face masks and avoiding cinemas and shopping centres, and even turning to an online plague simulation game as a way to cope. The release of seven movies over the Lunar New Year has been postponed. The holiday is the high season for distributors and cinemas attract huge crowds. Airports globally stepped up screening of passengers from China and the European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention said the further global spread of the virus was likely. “Obviously this is a huge concern for the world,” Britain’s business minister, Andrea Leadsom, told Sky. -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-23 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotBenz8888 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Isn't it just perfect timing, with the chinese new year massive traveling around the world? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Lock the country down. You know where you can throw the key to. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post URMySunshine Posted January 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) A doctor at a hospital in Wuhan spoke to the BBC The virus is now spreading at an alarming rate. The hospitals have been flooding with thousands of patients, who wait hours to see a doctor - you can imagine their panic. Normally Wuhan is a great place to live and we are proud of our work - specialists here have developed a guide for coronavirus diagnosis and treatment. But I am scared because this is a new virus and the figures are worrying. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51217455 Edited January 23, 2020 by URMySunshine 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Chance Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) China is covering up how bad it is! www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAYIAM3WnKg Edited January 23, 2020 by Don Chance 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, URMySunshine said: A doctor at a hospital in Wuhan spoke to the BBC The virus is now spreading at an alarming rate. The hospitals have been flooding with thousands of patients, who wait hours to see a doctor - you can imagine their panic. This is also peak flu and cold season. Imagine the cross contamination between 1000s of patients crammed together for hours. Many diagnosed with a cold and sent home will now have the new virus. In other news. A Chinese woman with a fever travelling to France to meet a friend took fever reducing medication to evade screening, she reported on social media. Edited January 23, 2020 by rabas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Well here's an update from the horses mouth just to circumvent the BBC/Youtube/rumour mill/gasp hold your breath and listen to this media. Wuhan Health Commission says: Wuhan was put on lock down at 10am today BCT. It's airport, high speed rail station, train satation, ferries and long distance bus services were suspended. Fatalities stand at 17. All of the deceased are between the ages of 48 and 89 years old. 15 of the 17 were over 60 and most had underlying health issues. It has been suggested that children and young people are less susceptible to the virus. Infections stood at 615 across all the mainland. Within Wuhan, a mandatory mask policy has been introduced in all public buildings No mask, no entry. Violators to be reported to the authorities. The World Health Organisation declined to declare a public health emergency, to be reviewed daily. They also said that there is no evidence of 3rd or 4th generation transmission. A group of Chinese researchers concluded that snakes were the 'most probable wildlife animal reservoir' however this was dismissed by their peers as too simplistic in it's analysis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zydeco Posted January 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2020 I suggest Xi and Trump hold an emergency meeting in Wuhan. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 State media reported highway toll booths around Wuhan were closing down, which would effectively cut off road exits. Guards were patrolling major highways, one resident told Reuters. sounds like one of the sci-fi films where a deadly virus spreads throughout the country and people who try to flee are shot dead. Obviously it isn't so bad and for once it is good to see the Chinese authorities doing something. If the virus hits Thailand in the same way, I hope the authorities here don't cover it up, but act in the same manner and contain the virus as best they can. if this virus mutates several times it has the potential to develop into a pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, zydeco said: I suggest Xi and Trump hold an emergency meeting in Wuhan. Can we invite Boris too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Traubert said: The World Health Organisation declined to declare a public health emergency, to be reviewed daily. They also said that there is no evidence of 3rd or 4th generation transmission. The WHO comment on transmission is likely out of date. Your own CDC is saying something very different as of a couple of days ago: The epidemiological investigation of 198 confirmed cases revealed that 22% of patients had direct exposure to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market before illness onset; 32% of patients had contact with patients with fever or respiratory symptoms; and 51% of cases had neither visited the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market nor had contact with similar patients before their illness onset. http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e3c63ca9-dedb-4fb6-9c1c-d057adb77b57 Most cases are now beyond 2nd generation and not traceable. Now, with 634 confirmed cases its likely more. Add to that now 3 major metropolitan cities locked down with little or no preparation time, unprecedented in living memory. Correct me if I am wrong, at least in China it is out of control and they are making desperate moves because they know it. Edited January 23, 2020 by rabas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, rabas said: The WHO comment on transmission is likely out of date. Your own CDC is saying something very different as of a couple of days ago: The epidemiological investigation of 198 confirmed cases revealed that 22% of patients had direct exposure to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market before illness onset; 32% of patients had contact with patients with fever or respiratory symptoms; and 51% of cases had neither visited the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market nor had contact with similar patients before their illness onset. http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e3c63ca9-dedb-4fb6-9c1c-d057adb77b57 Most cases are now beyond 2nd generation and not traceable. Now, with 634 confirmed cases its likely more. Add to that now 3 major metropolitan cities locked down with little or no preparation time, unprecedented in living memory. Correct me if I am wrong, at least in China it is out of control and they are making desperate moves because they know it. Maybe. I only pass on what is reported on the ground so I'm not qualified to correct anyone's opinion. Nor are my posts my opinion. I do know 'a doctor in a Wuhan hospital' speaking to the BBC is likely to be a staged fake though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Not meaning to downplay what's going on, but in perspective, every year, the USA alone loses around 35,000 people to the flu. Often, a new strain. 35 million affected, 490,000 hospitalized, 34,000 fatalities in the last full season of records. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html China having 5x the USA's population, I suspect their numbers are a lot higher on a typical year. Edited January 23, 2020 by impulse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted January 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, petedk said: If the virus hits Thailand in the same way, I hope the authorities here don't cover it up, but act in the same manner and contain the virus as best they can. Most likely sequence of events is trying to cover it up, followed by a sudden 180 degrees when the truth gets out and their beloved arrival numbers are in jeopardy, followed by a flood of news articles trying to show they are doing something. In the meanwhile the flu will spread like wildfire. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 All credit to China in what it is doing ! Only possible by being a dictator state but given all the circumstances and the recognition of the importance of at least attempting to contain it shows a degree of responsibility and action which in my recollection is unprecedented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, impulse said: Not meaning to downplay what's going on, but in perspective, every year, the USA alone loses around 35,000 people to the flu. Often, a new strain. 35 million affected, 490,000 hospitalized, 34,000 fatalities in the last full season of records. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html China having 5x the USA's population, I suspect their numbers are a lot higher on a typical year. Errr wow! Is there a vaccine programme in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, petedk said: State media reported highway toll booths around Wuhan were closing down, which would effectively cut off road exits. Guards were patrolling major highways, one resident told Reuters. sounds like one of the sci-fi films where a deadly virus spreads throughout the country and people who try to flee are shot dead. Obviously it isn't so bad and for once it is good to see the Chinese authorities doing something. If the virus hits Thailand in the same way, I hope the authorities here don't cover it up, but act in the same manner and contain the virus as best they can. if this virus mutates several times it has the potential to develop into a pandemic. Genital Herpes and Clamydia are in the lead ! Not deadly sure. Hepatoid virals progressing down the alphabet. TB making a comeback with a reconstructed face. Remember HIV ? Yep, still around, still killing. Etc Etc. Bubonic plague virus which killed millions is now a offshoot tool of cosmetic art The potential for a pandemic is always out there. Some exist already in subtle ways such as Malaria and other diseases prolific in low socio economic areas but condescendingly overlooked.Panic attacks kill too ! What to do? Well I guess "Personal Bunker " sales will see an upsurge in sales , bogus remedies for protection will emerge, The Bible Bashers will gather new recruits ,new irreversible regulations forcing submissions to invasion of personal privacy will be introduced in some illogical reason to save us from ourselves, and in due course a vaccine will become available initially for those that can pay ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: Genital Herpes and Clamydia are in the lead ! Not deadly sure. Hepatoid virals progressing down the alphabet. TB making a comeback with a reconstructed face. Remember HIV ? Yep, still around, still killing. Etc Etc. Bubonic plague virus which killed millions is now a offshoot tool of cosmetic art The potential for a pandemic is always out there. Some exist already in subtle ways such as Malaria and other diseases prolific in low socio economic areas but condescendingly overlooked.Panic attacks kill too ! What to do? Well I guess "Personal Bunker " sales will see an upsurge in sales , bogus remedies for protection will emerge, The Bible Bashers will gather new recruits ,new irreversible regulations forcing submissions to invasion of personal privacy will be introduced in some illogical reason to save us from ourselves, and in due course a vaccine will become available initially for those that can pay ! I'd like to say 'cynic' but you've probably already got the tattoo...... ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, impulse said: Not meaning to downplay what's going on, but in perspective, every year, the USA alone loses around 35,000 people to the flu. Often, a new strain. 35 million affected, 490,000 hospitalized, 34,000 fatalities in the last full season of records. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html China having 5x the USA's population, I suspect their numbers are a lot higher on a typical year. This is very important to remember if we wish to put this outbreak in to proportion. China has taken some extreme measurements, hopefully because it failed to do so during 2003 SARS epidemic and wishes to show to the world that things has radically changed since then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheDark said: This is very important to remember if we wish to put this outbreak in to proportion. China has taken some extreme measurements, hopefully because it failed to do so during 2003 SARS epidemic and wishes to show to the world that things has radically changed since then. It was a very different country 17 years ago. No doubt at all that you are correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephant45 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Would probably avoid shopping at Maya Mall in Chiang Mai for a while. Wonder if they rounded up all the Wuhan visitors already and flew them home? I worked in Wuhan, not the most beautiful sanitary city I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outbackoz Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 53 minutes ago, DrTuner said: Most likely sequence of events is trying to cover it up, followed by a sudden 180 degrees when the truth gets out and their beloved arrival numbers are in jeopardy, followed by a flood of news articles trying to show they are doing something. In the meanwhile the flu will spread like wildfire. Interesting article on reuters concerning identified cases Excerpt Para 12 Chinese authorities gave no new details on the numbers of virus infections but it has been reported in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong. Of eight known cases worldwide, Thailand has confirmed four, while Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the United States have reported one each. (Updated 8 minutes ago) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/china-orders-unprecedented-lockdown-of-two-cities-at-virus-epicenter-idUSKBN1ZM087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Traubert said: I'd like to say 'cynic' but you've probably already got the tattoo...... ???????? I have an invisible tattoo on my forehead that says "Realist..sometimes". ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) The horse has probably already bolted. Because when you see hundreds of cases showing up, that usually means there have actually been many thousands of cases already (because plenty will be asymptomatic or too mild to have raised any flags). The number of cases detected abroad (people who travelled from Wuhan) gives further clues to the scale of the problem at source (larger than originally suggested for sure, hence rising estimates in recent days). Initial mortality data (which should be taken with a pinch of salt at this stage) suggests the usual picture - the old, and those with chronic underlying health problems are most likely to end up with severe consequences after catching this coronavirus. The wider picture will take a while to become clear. For example one possible scenario is that this coronavirus could quickly become endemic, joining the other things which we have always lumped together as 'the common cold'. Possible with not very different mortality and severe disease rates to what we already have to deal with. Slightly or much worse scenarios exist too though. A lot of this 'noise' is going to be the phenomenon of internet amplification hopefully and it will turn out to be over hyped and ruthlessly controlled. Let's hope so time will soon tell. My nephew who is married to a chinese girl and can speak fluent chinese is monitoring free wechat which is the stuff that passes chinese censorship and he tells me that the news on the ground from millions of lock down folk is fear,panic and anger at the government. And he feels whatever the outcome it is damaging the chinese people's faith in their all powerful government. Let's hope so mahk mahk. With the fires in Australia, smog over Thailand and now this these are certainly interesting times to be alive. Edited January 23, 2020 by URMySunshine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I hope the coronavirus doesn't like heat because when it is introduced in Thailand (it surely will due to the usual hords of Chinese tourists), I don't trust the current clowns in power to fight it. I would likely feel safer in China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, candide said: I hope the coronavirus doesn't like heat because when it is introduced in Thailand (it surely will due to the usual hords of Chinese tourists), I don't trust the current clowns in power to fight it. I would likely feel safer in China. Hopefully it won't be able to survive the PM2.5 smog which will fumigate the air. Every cloud and that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 48 minutes ago, Outbackoz said: Interesting article on reuters concerning identified cases Excerpt Para 12 Chinese authorities gave no new details on the numbers of virus infections but it has been reported in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong. Of eight known cases worldwide, Thailand has confirmed four, while Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the United States have reported one each. (Updated 8 minutes ago) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/china-orders-unprecedented-lockdown-of-two-cities-at-virus-epicenter-idUSKBN1ZM087 I posted the number yesterday. 479 in a locked down Wuhan against 615 country wide so 133 'escapees,' across thirteen provinces. Of course both will increase but with the measures in place hopefully more slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, URMySunshine said: T My nephew who is married to a chinese girl and can speak fluent chinese is monitoring free wechat which is the stuff that passes chinese censorship and he tells me that the news on the ground from millions of lock down folk is fear,panic and anger at the government. And he feels whatever the outcome it is damaging the chinese people's faith in their all powerful government. Not being too critical here, but I've been in China a long time and never heard of Free WeChat. WeChat is P2P, not open, maybe you or your nephew is thinking of Sina Weibo? Of course there are news groups on WeChat but you have to 'follow' them and they're not open to comment. Whatever, the fact that people are angry is not disputed. What would happen if someone cancelled Christmas? However everyone knows it wasn't the government that was flogging dead wild animals in a market, their anger is probably directed at the nationally hated 'cheng guan' or market police. When it's all dies down there will be heads rolling there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Dumbastheycome said: I have an invisible tattoo on my forehead that says "Realist..sometimes". ???? Good enough for me squire. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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