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U.S. Justice Dept says it should not have continued spying on former Trump adviser

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1 minute ago, Chiphigh said:

What result is that? 

Read the OP. 

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8 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Trump must be guilty - of any accusation. 

 

Democrats and other left wing liberal political groups must be innocent and no one should even dare accuse them.

 

Those investigating Trump and other center or right political groups must be allowed to break any laws, suppress or invent facts as they wish, and ignore their own rules. They must never ever be allowed to investigate the left liberals of course. Because the latter are always totally innocent anyway.

 

The simple world of Chomper Higgot!

Calm down, the FBI didn’t break any laws.

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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No laws broken.

I have asked the Gods to give me powers to see all things that may be revealed in the future.

 

But so far   Pffft.

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20 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

So now the legitimate questions can finally be asked without being shrugged off as conspiracy theory:  If the FBI knew that there was no Russian collusion within the Trump campaign so early on why did they continue to renew the FISA applications?  For what purpose exactly and to what end?  And why, then, did they even initiate the Mueller probe?

 

Where do you get the idea the FBI knew there was no Russian collusion?  That is not stated in the article.

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18 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 FBI Director James Comey and his deputy, Andrew McCabe set him up. It will all come out eventually. 

To quote Tippaporn, "And what evidence do you have?"

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3 hours ago, riclag said:

Should of stopped !! Ya think!

Mr. Carter Page should be one of the distinguish  guests  sitting in the balcony during the POTUS State of the Union address!

 

Let the whole world see him while the POTUS admonishes the intel agencies for setting him up !

Carter Page set Carter Page up.  Hardly distinguished:

 

" Page became increasingly critical of United States foreign policy toward Russia, and more supportive of Putin, with a United States official describing Page as "a brazen apologist for anything Moscow did".[4] Page is frequently quoted by Russian state television, where he is presented as a "famous American economist".[3] "  

 

"Also in 2013, Evgeny Buryakov and two other Russians attempted to recruit Page as an intelligence source, and one of them, Victor Podobnyy, described Page as enthusiastic about business opportunities in Russia but an "idiot".[2][24]  "    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page

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5 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

Remember the name Kevin Clinesmith, the FBI attorney accused to altering an email that verified that Carter Page was a source for another government agency.

 

Clinesmith received an email from another agency's liaison that verified Page's source status.  Clinesmith altered the email by inserting 'not a source'.  This made it appear that the other agency did NOT confirm Page's source status for another agency.  This was uncovered and reported by Horowitz.  Carter Page's relationship with government agencies was important because it was necessary to ensure that Page had no reason to be in contact with any suspicious individuals from other countries.  This justifiable contact by Page would have cast doubt upon the accusations made in the FISA warrant.

 

From the Horowitz report:

"Relying upon this altered email, [Clinesmith] signed the third renewal application that again failed to disclose Page's past relationship with the other agency."

 

Both Barr and Wray were informed by Horowitz of Clinesmith's actions.  After Horowitz confronted Clinesmith over his actions, Clinesmith left the FBI. Clinesmith is now one of many subjects of US Attorney John Durham's criminal inquiry. 

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fbi-lawyer-under-criminal-investigation-altered-document-to-say-carter-page-was-not-a-source-for-another-agency

 

Truth always wins.  The more that comes to light, the more it appears that the entire Trump-Russia investigation was initiated with bunk.

From your source:

 

"During the drafting of FISA warrants in 2016 and 2017, the CIA confirmed to the FBI that Mr. Page, a Naval Academy graduate and energy investor who joined the Trump campaign as an adviser, served as an informant from 2008 to 2013."

 

"In 2017, the CIA sent an email to the FBI restating that Mr. Page had been an asset. Mr. Clinesmith, who is not named in the inspector general’s report, altered the email to say Mr. Page was not an asset." 

 

Page was not a asset at the time, so the alteration was factually correct. 

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2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

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Page was not a asset at the time, so the alteration was factually correct. 

 

Altering an email sent by another government agency.  Uh, I don't believe that's acceptable in any legal venue. That's probably why Horowitz brought it to the attention of Wray and Barr, and that's probably why Clinesmith ran away and is a subject of the investigation.  The end-justifies-the-means crowd would always bless Clinesmith's actions because it's about GET TRUMP. 

 

If Mr. Clinesmith wanted to contest the email, he could have provided an addendum to it and stated that at the present time, Carter Page was not serving as an asset.

 

Clinesmith purposely misrepresented the email by altering it.

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9 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

 

Altering an email sent by another government agency.  Uh, I don't believe that's acceptable in any legal venue. That's probably why Horowitz brought it to the attention of Wray and Barr, and that's probably why Clinesmith ran away and is a subject of the investigation.  The end-justifies-the-means crowd would always bless Clinesmith's actions because it's about GET TRUMP. 

 

If Mr. Clinesmith wanted to contest the email, he could have provided an addendum to it and stated that at the present time, Carter Page was not serving as an asset.

 

Clinesmith purposely misrepresented the email by altering it.

I did not post that the alteration was acceptable.  However I think it is pertinent to this discussion that Page was not an asset at the time of the FISA warrant application.  The information in the application was factually correct, though arguably incomplete.

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