Bangkok Bank - proof of 12 months international transfers (changed?)

[SooKee 907]

I posted a thread under the banking section about this but am conscious that folks with Bangkok Bank accounts using them for their proof of international transfers for Extensions based on income might not see it, mostly I look at the Banking section for issues about the banks or accounts.  Anyway, upshot is, I went to Bangkok Bank yesterday at Silom armed with a copy of the summary letter (that shows 12 - 13 x FTT transfers) posted several times on TV hoping to order one as they take a few days to prepare.  Was told by staff and a manager that they no longer issue that letter in that format.  Full details are in this thread:

 

 

[Roy Baht 979]

So you're re-posting the same thread that was posted less than 24 hours ago (albeit under a different category)? And your point? A bank making money off charging fees? That's what you're complaining about? Banks charging fees for services is nothing new, neither in the West nor in Thailand.  If you can't even afford the bank fees, then retirement in Thailand may not be for you.

[mojaco 135]

I think the important part is what will Bangkok Bank provide that Immigration might be willing to accept proving 12 monthly FTT 65K deposits.  I doubt they want 12 credit advice documents.  Time will tell...

[SooKee 907]

1 minute ago, mojaco said:

I think the important part is what will Bangkok Bank provide that Immigration might be willing to accept proving 12 monthly FTT 65K deposits.  I doubt they want 12 credit advice documents.  Time will tell...

Yep I was quite surprised. I'll go the the local branch today and ask about the, what I would think would be the much easier, summary letter and see if they will do it.  I can't help thinking that this might be a way that the Bank has come up with to get some income generation going.  Only thing that made me think again is that she had a pile of previous applications (I've noticed a few times that the banks here do two complete copies of any documents you ask for, one for them and one for you) and had Immigration been rejecting them, the customers would likely have been back to complain.

[SooKee 907]

32 minutes ago, Roy Baht said:

So you're re-posting the same thread that was posted less than 24 hours ago (albeit under a different category)? And your point? A bank making money off charging fees? That's what you're complaining about? Banks charging fees for services is nothing new, neither in the West nor in Thailand.  If you can't even afford the bank fees, then retirement in Thailand may not be for you.

The reason for the post here, seeing that comprehension is clearly a real problem for you I can't be bothered to explain it again.

But seeing as you took the opportunity to post the same type of vacuous and idiotic comment here as you did on the other thread, I'll copy my reply you from the other thread here:

 

Typical type of idiotic comment that you get from some on TV.  It's not about the fees, the point is, for the second time (jeez I can explain it for you, I can't understand it for you), that if folks take the copy summary letter posted in several places on TV to Bangkok Bank to try and get the same document they may well find that it's no longer available AND that there is now a fee for it.  Who said anything about not being able to afford it? Clearly your comprehension skills need a LOT of work.  Pity that some people have nothing better to do than sit around trying (epic fail by the way) to come across as a smart-a55 by posting stupid, smug and self-righteous comments while adding absolutely nothing of value whatsoever.

 

Given that responding to stupid comments can become a massive time-sink I'll comment only on posts that add value to others.

[Moonlover 4,260]

4 minutes ago, SooKee said:

9 minutes ago, mojaco said:

I think the important part is what will Bangkok Bank provide that Immigration might be willing to accept proving 12 monthly FTT 65K deposits.  I doubt they want 12 credit advice documents.  Time will tell...

 

4 minutes ago, SooKee said:

Yep I was quite surprised. I'll go the the local branch today and ask about the, what I would think would be the much easier, summary letter and see if they will do it.  I can't help thinking that this might be a way that the Bank has come up with to get some income generation going.  Only thing that made me think again is that she had a pile of previous applications (I've noticed a few times that the banks here do two complete copies of any documents you ask for, one for them and one for you) and had Immigration been rejecting them, the customers would likely have been back to complain.

When I made my renewal back in August, I relied solely on credit advice notes. (TransferWise and FETs) Those along with bank statements and the standard bank letter was acceptable by immigration.

[SooKee 907]

4 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

When I made my renewal back in August, I relied solely on credit advice notes. (TransferWise and FETs) Those along with bank statements and the standard bank letter was acceptable by immigration.

Interesting.  There were numerous posts about the various options that might be accepted, good to see that this was. Until I decide for sure whether I want to switch to the 800K deposit method I might grab a credit advice each month I go to update the bank book and just submit them along with a statement and bank letter if I'm still doing income based.

[ubonjoe 37,439]

If your transfers show they came from abroad with the FTT code to Bangkok Bank you don't need the credit advices.

When I applied for my extension at immigration here I only needed bank statements and a standard bank letter for proof. And of course my bank book and copies of it showing the FTT code.

The detailed letter showing the transfers is redundant IMO if you also have bank statements showing they came from abroad.

[DannyCarlton 7,405]

Since the new rules were incepted the requirement has been the same. 12 months worth of bank statements showing a total of 12 FTT transfers of 65k baht or above. One per month and, theoretically, not varying by more than a few calander days from each other. Also a bank letter, issued on the day, for account verification. It's also been widely reported, at Jomtien, that evidence that the source of income i.e. pension must be provided. I renewed in December and showed copies of 3 months bank statements from my UK bank showing said money coming into my account with a codified source (private pension). I got the impression that my application would have been accepted without this.

 

The rub is the 12 months of bank statements from Bangkok Bank. Branches can only provide a maximum of 6 months back statements on the day. I exhaustively researched this and it is a fact. The only way to obtain 12 months of back statements from Bangkok Bank is for your branch to apply to head office for them which takes 7 days and costs 200 baht.

 

This year, I intend to apply for 6 months of back statements from my branch in June, then another 6 months in December.

[DannyCarlton 7,405]

9 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If your transfers show they came from abroad with the FTT code to Bangkok Bank you don't need the credit advices.

When I applied for my extension at immigration here I only needed bank statements and a standard bank letter for proof. And of course my bank book and copies of it showing the FTT code.

The detailed letter showing the transfers is redundant IMO if you also have bank statements showing they came from abroad.

Did you need to prove the source of your income, i.e. pensions?

[ubonjoe 37,439]

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Did you need to prove the source of your income, i.e. pensions?

They asked if had the proof which I did have with me so showed them the originals and gave them copies of it.

[mtls2005 10,241]

For my successful ext stay/ret-income on/about 18 Sep 2019 at CW, I obtained a letter from BBL/Silom on 13 Sep 2019, while I waited, which summarized my qualifying foreign transfers (QFT) for the previous period (nine months in my case as I only started QFTs in Jan/2019). It is a very simple letter, one single line summarizing the QFTs: period, currency (USD), totals both foreign currency and THB (gross, before fees).

 

The BBL rep stated, when I raised a concern, that this was the "new" acceptable format for Immigration, and it was acceptable in my case. Such a letter is supported by the associated Credit Advice/Receipts (CARs; best obtained monthly IMO), passbook copies, original passbook(s), account ownership letter (issued the previous day in my case) and same day balance forward update in current passbook.

 

I also included a simple Excel printout detailing the nine (9) QFTs which was retained.

 

I was not asked for "proof" of the source of the "income", though I had that on hand if requested.

 

 

edited to add: I did obtain statements from BBL, one six month (jan-jun) and one three month (jul-sep ~ 12th, after my most recent QFT). I did not provide these, nor were the requested.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 24 by mtls2005

[SooKee 907]

13 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If your transfers show they came from abroad with the FTT code to Bangkok Bank you don't need the credit advices.

When I applied for my extension at immigration here I only needed bank statements and a standard bank letter for proof. And of course my bank book and copies of it showing the FTT code.

The detailed letter showing the transfers is redundant IMO if you also have bank statements showing they came from abroad.

That's good to know!  I guess since the changes folks have tried different options and banks have come up with different solutions to try and provide customers with what they think they might need.  All gets a bit of a blur to try and work out what will / won't be accepted, preferably with the minimum of effort.

I did see a post a way back suggesting the balance showing in the bank letter needs to be the same as that showing in the bank book on the day you go.  Any idea if that is a requirement still.  Do you have a redacted version of the 'standard bank letter' that you can post or point me towards?  Finally, the standard letter, is that a on the day service that can be done at any branch?  If so I might even pick it up from the branch at Immigration while I'm sat waiting.

[SooKee 907]

12 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Since the new rules were incepted the requirement has been the same. 12 months worth of bank statements showing a total of 12 FTT transfers of 65k baht or above. One per month and, theoretically, not varying by more than a few calander days from each other. Also a bank letter, issued on the day, for account verification. It's also been widely reported, at Jomtien, that evidence that the source of income i.e. pension must be provided. I renewed in December and showed copies of 3 months bank statements from my UK bank showing said money coming into my account with a codified source (private pension). I got the impression that my application would have been accepted without this.

 

The rub is the 12 months of bank statements from Bangkok Bank. Branches can only provide a maximum of 6 months back statements on the day. I exhaustively researched this and it is a fact. The only way to obtain 12 months of back statements from Bangkok Bank is for your branch to apply to head office for them which takes 7 days and costs 200 baht.

 

This year, I intend to apply for 6 months of back statements from my branch in June, then another 6 months in December.

Actually I wondered about this.  I actually have 6 months of statements from the first half of last year, just wondered if they would have been rejected if I'd used them along with a 6 month print from yesterday on the basis that the print date isn't the same.  As to the time they take, I guess banks / branches vary.  I was able to use Bangkok Bank's HQ in Silom where my account is held.  I ordered 12 months and they said two working days.  

 

Had my window to get the extension not been so small I'd have likely tried it on with two lots of 6 month statements rather than one of 12.  When I apply I'll try with just the 12 months statement, letter and bank book and see if they ask for the 12 month FTT letter and credit advices.  If not, that's another document off the list.

[mtls2005 10,241]

4 minutes ago, SooKee said:

I did see a post a way back suggesting the balance showing in the bank letter needs to be the same as that showing in the bank book on the day you go.

In my case, the account ownership letter (which shows the balance on the date the letter was issued) did not match my same day B/F and passbook, as I made a withdrawal in the interim. This was not an issue.

 

5 minutes ago, SooKee said:

Finally, the standard letter, is that a on the day service that can be done at any branch?

Not sure which "letter" you're referring to here? I think the BBL CW branch can issue an account ownership letter. I wouldn't rely on them being able to issue a QFT letter. I'd get the letter from BBL HQ/333 Silom a few days before, then assemble that with the CARs, and other bank info previously detailed in my post above.