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12 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

For my successful ext stay/ret-income on/about 18 Sep 2019 at CW, I obtained a letter from BBL/Silom on 13 Sep 2019, while I waited, which summarized my qualifying foreign transfers (QFT) for the previous period (nine months in my case as I only started QFTs in Jan/2019). It is a very simple letter, one single line summarizing the QFTs: period, currency (USD), totals both foreign currency and THB (gross, before fees).

 

The BBL rep stated, when I raised a concern, that this was the "new" acceptable format for Immigration, and it was acceptable in my case. Such a letter is supported by the associated Credit Advice/Receipts (CARs; best obtained monthly IMO), passbook copies, original passbook(s), account ownership letter (issued the previous day in my case) and same day balance forward update in current passbook.

 

I also included a simple Excel printout detailing the nine (9) QFTs which was retained.

 

I was not asked for "proof" of the source of the "income", though I had that on hand if requested.

 

 

edited to add: I did obtain statements from BBL, one six month (jan-jun) and one three month (jul-sep ~ 12th, after my most recent QFT). I did not provide these, nor were the requested.

 

 

 

 

Yes the letter at para 1 was the one I tried to get.  Maybe I made a mistake in going to Customer Services on the second floor.  I even showed them the letter, and to the manager and got the 'computer says no' response 😞

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3 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

In my case, the account ownership letter (which shows the balance on the date the letter was issued) did not match my same day B/F and passbook, as I made a withdrawal in the interim. This was not an issue.

 

Not sure which "letter" you're referring to here? I think the BBL CW branch can issue an account ownership letter. I wouldn't rely on them being able to issue a QFT letter. I'd get the letter from BBL HQ/333 Silom a few days before, then assemble that with the CARs, and other bank info previously detailed in my post above.

Yes it's the account ownership letter I'm after.  I'll try and get one before just in case.  Just surprised that the HQ at Silom seemed to be dead set (whilst still trying to be very helpful) on making the QFT letter as complicated as possible unless it really has changed (e.g. end of 2019).  Trouble is you can never tell what is policy and what is branch / staff / manager interpretation.  This was the same branch you went to though so you'd expect them to get it right, as I say, even showed the letter to three different people including a manager saying I didn't really want 13 sheets of paper, just a one sheet letter 😞

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21 minutes ago, SooKee said:

That's good to know!  I guess since the changes folks have tried different options and banks have come up with different solutions to try and provide customers with what they think they might need.  All gets a bit of a blur to try and work out what will / won't be accepted, preferably with the minimum of effort.

It seems to depend upon the office you have to use. Chaeng Wattana was the first office wanting the letter showing the the transfers and the then Chiang Mai and Pattaya.

I showed the bank branch here a example of the detailed letter and they did not know about it and said no. Also the standard bank letter and they said yes.

 

21 minutes ago, SooKee said:

I did see a post a way back suggesting the balance showing in the bank letter needs to be the same as that showing in the bank book on the day you go.  Any idea if that is a requirement still.  Do you have a redacted version of the 'standard bank letter' that you can post or point me towards?  Finally, the standard letter, is that a on the day service that can be done at any branch?  If so I might even pick it up from the branch at Immigration while I'm sat waiting.

My 12 month bank statement was about a month old but when I went to the bank the day before I went to immigration I got a one month statement to show my most recent transfer and the standard bank letter. My bank book showing over 2 years of transfers was not updated on thay day but it was updated a few days before when I went to the bank to move the latest transfer to another account.

Any branch should be able to do the standard letter. Example here: bank letter.pdf

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Earlier versions of the BBL QFT letters detailed each individual QFT, on a separate line. So twelve (12) QFTs would involve twelve lines on the letter. Those sorts of letters have been posted here and elsewhere.

 

This changed sometime mid-2019 I guess.

 

I too showed a sample of these old letters, but the BBL rep. said that there was a new format which is acceptable for Imm.

 

The new BBL QFT letter simply shows one, single line summarizing all of the QFTs for the period requested.

 

The new style letter worked for me. I realize that this was ~ 4 months ago and things may have changed.

 

I got the acount ownership letter at my branch, while I waited, the day before I went to CW/Imm.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

Earlier versions of the BBL QFT letters detailed each individual QFT, on a separate line. So twelve (12) QFTs would involve twelve lines on the letter. Those sorts of letters have been posted here and elsewhere.

 

This changed sometime mid-2019 I guess.

 

I too showed a sample of these old letters, but the BBL rep. said that there was a new format which is acceptable for Imm.

 

The new BBL QFT letter simply shows one, single line summarizing all of the QFTs for the period requested.

 

The new style letter worked for me. I realize that this was ~ 4 months ago and things may have changed.

 

 

 

Ah.  Maybe getting there in terms of what the Bangkok Bank changes actually are.  The first page of the document they will provide me with contains a single line summary of the total transfers I have done to BKK Bank for 12 months.  The charge for that is 100 baht.  To support that it seems that they provide (I'm assuming unless you say you don't want them) 12 months of credit advice slips at a cost of 500.  With a 12 month statement and a bank book with each entry showing FTT I guess the credit advices could well not be needed.

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I listed the BBL documents I assembled in post #12.

 

The QFT letter was 100 THB. The account ownership letter was also 100 THB. Each statement (6 mos and 3 mos) cost 100 THB, done at my branch while I waited. Statements were not offered, nor asked for. I'll likely skip this bit next year.

 

I obtain the CAR at my branch each month, a few days after the transfer is credited, for free, while I wait.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If your transfers show they came from abroad with the FTT code to Bangkok Bank you don't need the credit advices.

When I applied for my extension at immigration here I only needed bank statements and a standard bank letter for proof. And of course my bank book and copies of it showing the FTT code.

The detailed letter showing the transfers is redundant IMO if you also have bank statements showing they came from abroad.

This may not be true.  The foreign deposit letter that I just received from BKK Bank shows for each foreign deposit the amount of thai baht and the amount of the foreign currency, USD in my case.  Maybe some of the TM people want to see the dollar amount.  Beats me why anyone would.

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2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I listed the BBL documents I assembled in post #12.

 

The QFT letter was 100 THB. The account ownership letter was also 100 THB. Each statement (6 mos and 3 mos) cost 100 THB, done at my branch while I waited. Statements were not offered, nor asked for. I'll likely skip this bit next year.

 

I obtain the CAR at my branch each month, a few days after the transfer is credited, for free, while I wait.

 

 

Yeah, I saw what you assembled, was just noting the difference with what they want to provide me.  Looks like they just bolted on the 12 months Credit Advices given I said (as I thought at the time) I needed to show each transfer given they are no longer doing 12 line / per transaction QFT letters.  

 

I will also get the CAR each month from now on and a statement every 6 months.  Doing it that way, if I'm still doing income, will keep everything needed from the bank (QFT and Account Ownership) to a same day service and will remove the need to go to Silom.

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4 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Maybe some of the TM people want to see the dollar amount.  Beats me why anyone would.

All I can say is my office did not want that letter. I see no reason for the amount to be shown in the foreign currency that was transfered. Some people might have their transfers coming in baht already.

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Just now, ubonjoe said:

All I can say is my office did not want that letter. I see no reason for the amount to be shown in the foreign currency that was transfered. Some people might have their transfers coming in baht already.

That's a very good point!  You can transfer from overseas and qualify but still send in baht if you exchange in the sending country.

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The problem in all this, for me anyway, is that there doesn't seem to be a clear set of rules by which you can guarantee getting your extension using the income method. You might turn up on the day, get refused, then find yourself you no visa. Until things are clearer i am still going to stick with 800k in the bank.

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11 minutes ago, Henryford said:

The problem in all this, for me anyway, is that there doesn't seem to be a clear set of rules by which you can guarantee getting your extension using the income method.

I think most immigration offices can give you their requirements now.

When I did mine I was not sure what was needed so just put together about everything I had read about on this forum that some offices were asking for.

I did it in early August so I might of been one of the first ones doing it since many people had proof of income from their embassy that might of been good good until the end of June so they could of done their extensions due in July early and used one.

When I was waiting for my number to be called one the officers asked about my application and said I needed a year of transfers and replied that I had two years to show. He certainly seemed surprised I had that many.

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3 minutes ago, Henryford said:

The problem in all this, for me anyway, is that there doesn't seem to be a clear set of rules by which you can guarantee getting your extension using the income method. You might turn up on the day, get refused, then find yourself you no visa. Until things are clearer i and still going to stick with 800k in the bank.

The rules are clear and simple. It's individual IOs interpretation of the rules that complicates matters. It's as new to them as it is to us andf hopefully, given time, they'll all sing from the same songsheeet.

 

For me, an example of this is Jomtien's requirement of proof that your income originates from a pension. Nothing in the rules to support this requirement and not common across all IOs. Particularly strange as Jomtien IO is usually one of the more "relaxed" IOs.

 

I've had a couple of reasons to suspect that Jomtien try to gently nudge you in the direction of visa agents as their Christmas fund has been reduced since the new rules came into force.

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30 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The rules are clear and simple. It's individual IOs interpretation of the rules that complicates matters. It's as new to them as it is to us andf hopefully, given time, they'll all sing from the same songsheeet.

 

For me, an example of this is Jomtien's requirement of proof that your income originates from a pension. Nothing in the rules to support this requirement and not common across all IOs. Particularly strange as Jomtien IO is usually one of the more "relaxed" IOs.

 

I've had a couple of reasons to suspect that Jomtien try to gently nudge you in the direction of visa agents as their Christmas fund has been reduced since the new rules came into force.

Indeed.  It's policy interpretation that puts a spanner in the works.  Immigration and bank.  Problem with the banks is there's not even a policy to go from (at least not that we are privy to).  

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You can save a little money by picking up your credit advice letters more often. I think you can get up to three months of them free. Some people stop in a get one each time a FTT is made in to their account. Also,  keep your bank book current and you  may not need a printed out statement. My branch produces my credit advice off the information on the bank book. I'll be getting my letter from Bangkok Bank in March from my branch and will see how they do it.

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