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4 minutes ago, orang37 said:

 

Is it as risky if we don't go all the way ? How can I stop sex having me ?

 

Please reply with details.

 

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Some folks can just ignore my warning and carry on as usual 😁

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On 1/26/2020 at 2:15 AM, Gweiloman said:

Marriott Hotel rooftop bar? I didn’t realise they were doing cheap drinks promotions for as we know, the Chinese are low cost tourists and don’t spend any money. t

Strictly for selfies..just go look on nimman one...

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Expected!  THis is a pandemic already.  News is only catching up like lighting versus thunder.

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It is quite amusing how some people are taken in by media hysteria and start to wear face masks to the bathroom.

 

In case you missed it, the flu kills 12000 to 61,000 every year, in one country, the US. The coronavirus' relative SARS, at its very worst, killed a little over 800 people worldwide.

 

You should all be more concerned about Americans with a flu being near you than Chinese with coronavirus 😁.

 

People who stress out over this coronavirus are just poorly informed. Why on earth would you worry about it, when the flu kills 12000 to 61000 people each year in the US? SARS killed just over 800 world wide, at its worst.

 

Yes, it's a pandemic, of micro mini proportions so far. But so what? We've had many pandemics before. In 2009 there was a swine flu epidemic that killed 151,000–579,000 people. Does anybody even remember it? Life goes on.

 

Yes, wash your hands. Wear a mask. Or a full-body protection suit. Either way, if you worry about the coronavirus you're just ill-informed and a victim of mass media hysteria. 

 

As for the claim that people drop dead without showing symptoms I challenge that poster to produce the evidence to back this fantastic claim up. Thanks.

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2 hours ago, Logosone said:

It is quite amusing how some people are taken in by media hysteria and start to wear face masks to the bathroom.

 

In case you missed it, the flu kills 12000 to 61,000 every year, in one country, the US. The coronavirus' relative SARS, at its very worst, killed a little over 800 people worldwide.

 

You should all be more concerned about Americans with a flu being near you than Chinese with coronavirus 😁.

 

People who stress out over this coronavirus are just poorly informed. Why on earth would you worry about it, when the flu kills 12000 to 61000 people each year in the US? SARS killed just over 800 world wide, at its worst.

 

Yes, it's a pandemic, of micro mini proportions so far. But so what? We've had many pandemics before. In 2009 there was a swine flu epidemic that killed 151,000–579,000 people. Does anybody even remember it? Life goes on.

 

Yes, wash your hands. Wear a mask. Or a full-body protection suit. Either way, if you worry about the coronavirus you're just ill-informed and a victim of mass media hysteria. 

 

As for the claim that people drop dead without showing symptoms I challenge that poster to produce the evidence to back this fantastic claim up. Thanks.

With all due respect, you are NOT very well informed concerning the Wuhan Coronavirus.  There are significant differences between the Wuhan Coronavirus and influenza or or other coronaviruses such as SARS or MERS which place it in a unique and worrisome category.  Do your homework and get your FACTS from science-based sources, not media reporting (state-based or otherwise)!

 

At present, the mortality rate is around 3%, mainly in people 60 years and older, but statistics show that cases in younger age groups are increasing.    There is also evidence that the virus may be mutating to a more virulent form so this mortality rate is tentative at best.  Just for comparison, the mortality rate for influenza is below 1%, and for SARS it was more than 10%.  A crucial difference is that unlike flu, there is no vaccine for this new Wuhan coronavirus, which means it is more difficult for vulnerable members of the population – elderly people or those with existing respiratory or immune problems – to protect themselves.

 

The fact is that we still do not know just how serious this virus is.  What is troublesome is that no symptoms occur during the incubation period yet human-to-human transmission during this period has been confirmed.  The asymptomatic incubation period can be from 10-14 days so for another week or two, the true number of international cases will not be known since quarantines and cursory checks at international airports only began this week.  What's more, many travellers presently or just recently returning from China will show NO symptoms at all during airport screenings. 

 

So, the real severity of all of this will not be known for several more weeks BUT the number of cases surely will increase dramatically at least until the window of incubation for pre-quarateened / pre-screened travelers has been played out.  A LOT of people can thus be infected during this period without the donor even knowing he/she is sick!

 

True, there is no cause for irrational hysteria provided authorities take proper measures quickly and decisively but the big problem to date is that the Chinese government has NOT taken proper measures until the last couple of days when international confirmed cases began to be reported.  Up until then they were minimizing the situation, and even arresting those such as scientists, doctors, and journalists who voiced concerns.

 

The first outbreak in Wuhan occurred in mid-December , yet the government downplayed it until only a few days ago (january 23-23), and were even promoting huge public outdoor food festivals as recently as a week ago. The state controlled media was still downplaying the magnitude of the situation until only a few days ago, and actually urging citizens to go out and enjoy the Chinese New Years festivities.  This would have been the "perfect storm" had the Chinese government not finally reacted.

 

Now the entire Hubei province with a population of over 50 million people is in a state of quarantine (consider that this is the population of the entire Northeast USA) , and the city of Wuhan, with a population of over 11 million people is in a virtual lockdown, with all transportation routes in and out barricaded by the military!

 

While the Chinese government is NOW taking measures such as the round-the-clock building of two new hospitals to deal specifically with the Coronavirus, it's sort of like closing the barn door after the horse got out.  Had they acted back in December instead of trying to cover up and minimize the situation, it would have been a fairly easy thing to contain the virus.  Now it will be much more difficult, and it is now a global-wide problem. 

 

Suddenly (when international reports of cases began to emerge several days ago) the true magnitude emerged.  Chinese authorities have confirmed 4,529 cases of infection.  Fourteen other countries have now reported a total of 46 infections, as Germany, Cambodia, and Sri Lanka confirmed their first cases.  In the United States,as of today, there are 110 people being investigated for the virus 26 states, and The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention raised its travel warning to a level 3, urging U.S. citizens to avoid all nonessential travel to China.  I don't think there is any doubt that these international numbers will increase dramatically as the window for incubation closes for those who have recently travelled from China.

 

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In short, I would say there is due cause for concern!  Not irrational fear but at the same time, not simply sticking your head in the sand in ignorant denial.

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Just a correction to my previous post:  The population of Wuhan is over 11 million people (not 5 million).  Many are under the impression that Wuhan is just some small Chinese city.  It actually has over twice the population of New York City!  Wuhan is now in a military lockdown...nobody leaves, nobody comes in.  Far more troubling is that essentials such as food, fresh water, and medical supplies will soon be depleted within the city.  Not good!

 

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If Coronavirus doesn't kill you Chiang mai's 4-6 months of burning WILL.  Guaranteed.  I used to live there and moved quick once I figured how bad is was. The point is, Wear an N95 certified mask if you want to survive in Chiang mai no matter what everyday you choose the reside there.

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6 minutes ago, mike787 said:

If Coronavirus doesn't kill you Chiang mai's 4-6 months of burning WILL.  Guaranteed.  I used to live there and moved quick once I figured how bad is was. The point is, Wear an N95 certified mask if you want to survive in Chiang mai no matter what everyday you choose the reside there.

A mask is fairly effective for environmental pollution such as experienced during a bad burning season here, but not very effective for viruses particularly once the mask is moist, though (since it covers the face) it does offer protection from hand to face transmission, which is a fairly common way that viruses are transmitted.  

 

Personally I have yet to find buring season that bad.  I've been living here for over two years.  It varies from year to year so perhaps I've just been lucky.

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19 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

There have been no bona fide reports of anything remotely of the sort.

 

Rumor mill is in overdrive. Please do not feed it.

 

What has been proven -- and is no surprise at all as usually the case -- is that there are infected people who are asymptomatic and (less common but hardly unknown) it appears they can transmit the virus without having symptoms themselves. 

 

Asymptomatic people are not keeling over dead nor are the overwhelming majority of symptomatic people. Case fatality rate even among the cases serious enough to be identified and hospitalized is under 5% and these are the more severe subset. The true fatality rate is likely a tenth of that since most cases don't get identified as the person has what seems like no more than a cold and does mot seek medical care.

 

Most deaths have been in the elderly and people with weakened immune systems as is true of any flu.

It is the fact that asymptomatic people are capable of transmitting the virus that makes the Wuhan coronavirus so worrisome.  One of the luckiest breaks the world got with the SARS outbreak was the fact that the virus did not transmit before people developed symptoms.  That is not the case with the Wuhan coronavirus.  Furthermore, tools like quarantine and isolation — which were key to controlling SARS — are unlikely stop spread of a virus that can transmit during the period from infection to symptoms, experts say.

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On 1/24/2020 at 9:28 AM, sammieuk1 said:

I went to do a 90 day report in CM yesterday waste of time queues like I have never seen 6 deep on the steps and around the car park just to get in wonder if any virus vetting was taking place I gave up and went home not leaving the car anyone else there to confirm? 🤔

I had to spend three days there recently and this is exactly what I encountered.  I have been reporting to CM immigration for several years and this is the worst I have ever seen.  

 

I posted my experience on the CM forum, and had a few posters claim I was making it up and bragged about how they get processed so quickly.  Thanks for the post 🙂

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I wonder if the Thai government is still happy they have been making it difficult for westerners to live in Thailand, while opening up the flood gates for the Chinese?   

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Appreciate the sensible updates. 

 

Just a few comments on comments. The population of NYC is ~8.5 million, so Wuhan is not twice the size. The air here in Chiang Mai is usually fine. I monitor it everyday. Somedays I wear a mask in Feb-April, some months certainly worse than other, but certainly not significantly worse than Bangkok on average.

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2 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

With all due respect, you are NOT very well informed concerning the Wuhan Coronavirus.  There are significant differences between the Wuhan Coronavirus and influenza or or other coronaviruses such as SARS or MERS which place it in a unique and worrisome category.  Do your homework and get your FACTS from science-based sources, not media reporting (state-based or otherwise)!

 

In short, I would say there is due cause for concern!  Not irrational fear but at the same time, not simply sticking your head in the sand in ignorant denial.

With all due respect you should go back to your sources and try to understand them a bit better. You are posting a lot of hysteric nonsense.

 

For starters the main significant difference between SARS. MERS and influenza is that the latter has centuries of being adapted to spreading among humans, and continues to be the real killer among human populations. SARS and MERS originated among animals and are not adapted to spread among humans, hence the oh so hysterical SARS outbreak did not cause anywhere NEAR the infection rates, let alone absolute death figures of influenza. It simply failed to spread like influenza can. Deaths from  SARS were ca 800, from Influenza 500,000 EVERY YEAR. And the coronavirus, even allowing for the 95% underreporting in China, assuming the 100,000 cases of Read, given 100 deaths is exactly 100 times LESS deadly than SARS, let alone MERS.

 

So precisely BECAUSE there are significant differences between influenza and Cov, MERS and SARS the fact still remains that Influenza is far more deadly in absolute terms than Cov, MERS or SARS. 

 

Secondly, you seem a bit confused about the numbers. If you take YOUR OWN number, or rather the number from Read you quoted, of 100,000 estimated actual cases, then 100 deaths means the coronavirus has a death rate of 0.1%, Which is more or less exactly the same mortality rate as the common flu, or Influenza. With the crucial difference that Cov has not adapted to spread among humans yet, the way Influenza, with hundreds, if not thousands of years of previous history among humans has.

 

And btw, your colourful numbers chart does not change the fact that we have had pandemics in the past with exactly the above death rate, such as the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. Yes, it was over 500,000 dead, but life pretty much went on as normal. Does anyone still remember the 2009 pandemic? Not really.

 

Neither does the fact that asymptomatic people can spread Cov make this virus particularly worrisome. The same can be said of the flu, and many other viruses. You just read this on a website and regurgitate it as if it were fact. It is not.

 

In short, objectively, there is no real cause for concern, if you are not concerned by 500,000 deaths from influenza each year. Which none of us seemed to be until social media and media made poor impressionable souls such as yourself succumb to panic.

 

So kindly stop posting hysterical, factually inaccurate nonsense Wavehunter.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, ebourquin said:

Appreciate the sensible updates. 

 

Just a few comments on comments. The population of NYC is ~8.5 million, so Wuhan is not twice the size. The air here in Chiang Mai is usually fine. I monitor it everyday. Somedays I wear a mask in Feb-April, some months certainly worse than other, but certainly not significantly worse than Bangkok on average.

Thanks for that info on NYC.  Surferboy gets enough facts wrong that he does not seem credible.

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