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18 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

I predict that there will be a lot of hot air generated, but nothing will be done.

I predict a lot more burning 

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16 hours ago, DrTuner said:

If it's so hard to farm sugarcane, don't. Do something that doesn't require burning.

I have to agree with you. No sense flogging a dead horse.

And what the alternative crop would be, I don't know enough about farming to suggest any.

But as a business decision, there is always an alternative.

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This smacks of industry blackmail against a government fighting on two related fronts -against air pollution on the one hand and the nation's unhealthy addiction to sugar on the other.

 

Thailand is a free market economy awash with cheap labour. Taxpayers should not be asked to bail out any business which cannot compete, particulary not one with products and methods which constitute a public health risk.

 

Whether sugar farmers and factory owners survive should be left entirely to the free market.

 

 

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16 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

If the sugar factories weren't all into racketeering and paid a decent price, farmers could afford new equipment.

Nothing to do with corruption. There is a glut of sugarcane causing a 4 Billion Baht loss. And due to the strength of the Baht another 6 Billion Baht will be lost. 

 

Can you post any link confirming your claim to 'racketeering' cuz I can't find any.

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16 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

And what would you suggest as an alternative crop to grow?

Hardwood. Thailand needs it's forests back. Farmers should go back to school and learn a profession higher in the value chain. Agriculture is one where the economy of scale applies, having one family tiny farms belongs to the dark ages. Which is where Thailand is still wading in.

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23 hours ago, DrTuner said:

If it's so hard to farm sugarcane, don't. Do something that doesn't require burning.

That is the main problem with all Thai Farmers. They can only grow a certain few Crops like Sugar Cane , Cassava, Pineapple Etc, because thats all they know.

There appears to be some kind of mental blockage about growing something different that might be more profitable , and possibly easier to grow.

Where are the real Farmers that are prepared to offset 1 Rai to growing >> say Potatoes as an experimental crop ??

They just all seem to follow the Herd, because its the easy option.

 

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Why dont they force the factories and middle  men to  buy the machines, I mean like  most things here its  all a controlled monopoly and the only  people  making the real  money are the middle  men and factories

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And how much is a submarine to buy run and maintain? And the crews to train and operate the things? 

Stop the draft, save the money, make the army less powerful, buy more harvesters.....

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On 1/24/2020 at 8:54 PM, bwpage3 said:

Burning makes it easier to cut by hand.

 

Have you ever tried it?

 

The husk they burn is very sharp and difficult to cut by hand.

 

Once you burn that, the stock is very easy to cut.

 

Plus burning gets rid of any large snakes lurking.

In Australia "green" harvesting is the norm! It's better for the farmer and produces more sugar! Apart from "bagas" (the cane residue after the sugar has been extracted) who on earth would burn untreated sugar cane? This country has some very odd farming practices?

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On 1/25/2020 at 5:19 PM, Cake Monster said:

That is the main problem with all Thai Farmers. They can only grow a certain few Crops like Sugar Cane , Cassava, Pineapple Etc, because thats all they know.

There appears to be some kind of mental blockage about growing something different that might be more profitable , and possibly easier to grow.

Where are the real Farmers that are prepared to offset 1 Rai to growing >> say Potatoes as an experimental crop ??

They just all seem to follow the Herd, because its the easy option.

 

Well, why don't you try and grow an alternative crop? I have been trying to find some for 9 years. So far about 80% of what i have tried has failed - seed wouldn't germinate, plants cannot survive hot season, rot because too much water. And i haven't mentioned pests and diseases, which affected what would grow!

 

What will work on one farm maynot on another, soil, waterlogging etc. I ask myself if i am a <deleted> at growing vegetables, but i had far more success back in the UK.

 

So far, i have only had consistent success with 2 plants, Lettuce and Okra. And the lettuce never get big enough to sell commercially. My M-in-L, on the other hand has 80% success growing just 2 or 3 types of chinese cabbage - unfortunately they all taste awful!

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Thai farmers careless, money is all they want and that is a fact!

 

They careless if they pollute the very air young children, the sick and elderly plus their own.family breath.

 

Money, greed, getting drunk and violence are more important to Thai, than life and the enviroment.

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On 1/24/2020 at 3:30 PM, otherstuff1957 said:

 

 

Back during the last "smog crisis" the amount of burned sugarcane that the mills could accept was limited to 20%.  After their generous donations, the amount was lifted to the current 50%.  A simple solution (that will never happen), would be to return the amount of burned sugar to 20%.

As it is supposed to be illegal to burn sugar cane, then the factories should not be allowed to buy any illegally burnt sugar cane. 

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On 1/26/2020 at 9:10 AM, TPI said:

In Australia "green" harvesting is the norm! It's better for the farmer and produces more sugar

Not true.   

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There is no real loss or gain in yield, but there is a slight increase in the PRS (Percentage of Recoverable Sugar) which is the standard used for payment from mills.

Please read.    http://www.acfa.com.au/many-cane-fields-burned/

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On 1/25/2020 at 1:52 PM, DrTuner said:

Hardwood. Thailand needs it's forests back. Farmers should go back to school and learn a profession higher in the value chain. Agriculture is one where the economy of scale applies, having one family tiny farms belongs to the dark ages. Which is where Thailand is still wading in.

But the majority of land in Thailand is Sor Por Kor land which belongs to the king if I'm not mistaken? There are laws in place which restricts the amount of Sor Por Kor land one can farm. I believe it to be 25 Rai per family or 20 Rai per person. You can't own Sor Por Kor land so how are the farmers going to get these big farms? Thailand will always remain a country of 'tiny farms' because it suits people in high places.

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