snoop1130 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 'No, No America': Thousands of Iraqis rally against U.S. military presence By John Davison Supporters of Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr protest against what they say is U.S. presence and violations in Iraq, during a demonstration in Baghdad, Iraq January 24, 2020. REUTERS/Thaier al-Sudani BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Thousands of Iraqis rallied at two central Baghdad intersections on Friday after a prominent cleric called for a “million strong” protest against the American military presence, following the U.S. killing of an Iranian general and an Iraqi militia chief. The march called by Moqtada al-Sadr aims to pressure Washington to pull out its troops, but many anti-government protesters fear it could overshadow their separate, months-long demonstrations that have challenged Iran-backed Shi’ite groups’ grip on power. Sadr opposes all foreign interference in Iraq but has recently aligned himself more closely with Iran, whose allies have dominated state institutions since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. Throngs of marchers started gathering early on Friday at al-Hurriya Square in central Baghdad and near around the city’s main university, Reuters witnesses said. Marchers avoided Tahrir square, symbol of mass protests against Iraq’ ruling elites. “We want them all out - America, Israel, and the corrupt politicians in government,” said Raed Abu Zahra, a health ministry worker from southern city of Samawa, who arrived by bus at night and stayed in Sadr City, a sprawling district of Baghdad controlled by the cleric’s followers. “We support the protests in Tahrir as well, but understand why Sadr held this protest here so it doesn’t take attention from theirs,” he added. Men and women marched waving the red, white and black national colours, and chanted slogans against the United States, which leads a military coalition against the Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria. “DO NOT CROSS THIS BARRIER” Some were wearing symbolic white robes indicating they’re willing to die for their country while others sat looking out over the square from half finished buildings, holding signs reading “No, no, America, no, no, Israel, no, no, colonialists”. Marchers were protected by Sadr’s Saraya al-Salam brigades and Iraq’s Popular Mobilization Forces, an umbrella grouping of Iran-backed Shi’ite militias, witnesses said. It is unclear if the march will end up at the gates of the U.S. Embassy, the seat of U.S. power in Iraq and the scene of violent clashes last month when militia supporters tried to storm the compound. Main roads in Baghdad were barricaded by security forces and the city’s Green Zone, which houses foreign missions, were blocked off with concrete barriers. Outside the U.S. embassy, a sign reads “Warning. Do not cross this barrier, we will use pre-emptive measures against any attempt to cross”. The U.S. killing of Iranian military mastermind General Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad this month has raised the spectre of more civil strife in a country torn by years of sectarian conflict. For the first time in nearly two years, parliament voted along sectarian lines to press the government to kick out U.S. forces. Shi’ite parties voted in favour, while Sunni Muslim and Kurdish lawmakers boycotted the session. -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-24 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, snoop1130 said: For the first time in nearly two years, parliament voted along sectarian lines to press the government to kick out U.S. forces. Shi’ite parties voted in favour, while Sunni Muslim and Kurdish lawmakers boycotted the session. Yet another trump achievement, bravo sir.. 8 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emdog Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 Nice job Donnie. As he has attention span of a quark, pretty safe he never considered what could go wrong, have "unintended consequences" from doing a hit job in a home country (Iraq) that also takes out some of their brass. And he has no one left in admin that could tell him when he made the choice (not that he'd listen) "Sir, that's crazy". 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TopDeadSenter Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 So ungrateful. 3 3 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: So ungrateful. For what? What has been achieved by foreign forces in Iraq? 5 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sucit Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: So ungrateful. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Great statement. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed. Try to imagine if your son was killed in an illegal war, then imagine if an American told you that you were "so ungrateful". 13 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ventenio Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 When Wuhan invades Iraq and wipes out half the population, they will be crying to America for help. But, who cares, they will be angry all day and hate and hate...OK, off to the beach, have fun Iraqis with all your hatred. 6 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 Visions of Saigon come to mind I hope not for his act of killing the Iranian general (I’m glad he is dead)he got us to the brink of another war he imo is squandering all the blood and treasure we have invested in Iraq because Iran trashed our embassy witch wouldent have happened if trump haven’t welched on the nuclear agreement he through his incompetence has greatly strengthened Iran’s hand in the area imo 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TopDeadSenter Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 America saved the Iraqi's from the oppressive and tyrannical Saddam, then the Iraqi's had a chance to make their lives and country great. But, instead they chose to fight each other about power and religious opinions and made a right pig's ear of the opportunity the USA gave them. Now they blame it all on America. Ungrateful, and they deserve exactly the mess they are in. End of. 7 3 5 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chazar Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 55 minutes ago, sucit said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Great statement. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed. Try to imagine if your son was killed in an illegal war, then imagine if an American told you that you were "so ungrateful". or imagine he had been tortured and disappeared by Sadams cohorts 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jingjai9 Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 As an American it makes me so sad. The resentment against America in Iraq shouts out to me that we are an empire. To think my country was born from the revolutionary spirit and now it has deteriorated to this. It is not all Trump's fault. This is not a new thing and often only nuances exist between US presidents on foreign policy not a stark convrast. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post giddyup Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: America saved the Iraqi's from the oppressive and tyrannical Saddam, then the Iraqi's had a chance to make their lives and country great. But, instead they chose to fight each other about power and religious opinions and made a right pig's ear of the opportunity the USA gave them. Now they blame it all on America. Ungrateful, and they deserve exactly the mess they are in. End of. It was the tyrannical Sadam that kept a lid on the sectarian violence. You can't force democracy on a country. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post giddyup Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chazar said: or imagine he had been tortured and disappeared by Sadams cohorts It isn't Americas job to decide who rules a country and who doesn't, that's what coups are for. Edited January 25, 2020 by giddyup 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sucit Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: America saved the Iraqi's from the oppressive and tyrannical Saddam, then the Iraqi's had a chance to make their lives and country great. But, instead they chose to fight each other about power and religious opinions and made a right pig's ear of the opportunity the USA gave them. Now they blame it all on America. Ungrateful, and they deserve exactly the mess they are in. End of. In other words, you believe the people who lied the US into that war in the first place. It has been proven that they lied. So, believing them is probably not such a good idea. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just another achievement, of the Trump foreign policy, or lack thereof. The US will be kicked out of Iraq, in a very humiliating and inglorious manner, within the year. Another few trillion down the toilet, several hundred thousand lives lost, but does the US care about brown lives lost? By the way, did they ever find the WMD's? 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TopDeadSenter Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, sucit said: In other words, you believe the people who lied the US into that war in the first place. It has been proven that they lied. So, believing them is probably not such a good idea. Where did I say I believed anything about the motivation to invade Iraq? My personal stance is that no visas should be issued to anyone from ME countries and just let them get on with their stone age existence. Out of sight, out of mind. But, no. Apparently we need globalization, open borders and multiculti to survive so supposedly we must invade overseas nations with differing ethics to our own to implement liberal regime changes. Yes, it is absurd. No I do not agree with it. But still, the Iraqi's blew a golden opportunity. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post giddyup Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, TopDeadSenter said: Where did I say I believed anything about the motivation to invade Iraq? My personal stance is that no visas should be issued to anyone from ME countries and just let them get on with their stone age existence. Out of sight, out of mind. But, no. Apparently we need globalization, open borders and multiculti to survive so supposedly we must invade overseas nations with differing ethics to our own to implement liberal regime changes. Yes, it is absurd. No I do not agree with it. But still, the Iraqi's blew a golden opportunity. Why is it that western cultures expect other cultures to want the same things and behave in the same way? Ever heard of self-determination? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 30la Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 They are right, before the Americans arrived, everything was fine, now it's absolute chaos! 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HannahD Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 It now appears that Mr. Trump will in fact keep some of his campaign promises though perhaps not as he envisioned keeping them. Withdraw from useless wars. Afghanistan? Iraq? Absolutely, but because the US is being evicted not because the US is voluntarily withdrawing. Normalize relations with Russia? Of course. While the US has been expending treasure on useless wars (pallets of $100 bills anyone?) the Russians have developed weapons that have rendered the USA a second rate military power. Can’t intimidate them any more so maybe the US should try friendship and diplomacy. What a brilliant politician. He tricked the Deep State into doing what he wanted to accomplish by letting them do what they wanted. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sucit Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 48 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: America saved the Iraqi's from the oppressive and tyrannical Saddam, then the Iraqi's had a chance to make their lives and country great. But, instead they chose to fight each other about power and religious opinions and made a right pig's ear of the opportunity the USA gave them. Now they blame it all on America. Ungrateful, and they deserve exactly the mess they are in. End of. 31 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: Where did I say I believed anything about the motivation to invade Iraq? My personal stance is that no visas should be issued to anyone from ME countries and just let them get on with their stone age existence. Out of sight, out of mind. But, no. Apparently we need globalization, open borders and multiculti to survive so supposedly we must invade overseas nations with differing ethics to our own to implement liberal regime changes. Yes, it is absurd. No I do not agree with it. But still, the Iraqi's blew a golden opportunity. You are doing very poorly here. You said "America saved the Iraqi's...". That implies you supported the war by the way, if you didn't realize. You then go on to say "where did I say I believed anything about the motivation to invade Iraq". At this point, you did not believe Saddam had WMD, but you just wanted to go in there anyway. Wow. I thought nobody on earth could be worse than Rumsfeld and Chenie. You just wanted to haul off and go in for no reason at all to "free the people". 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sucit Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, HannahD said: It now appears that Mr. Trump will in fact keep some of his campaign promises though perhaps not as he envisioned keeping them. Withdraw from useless wars. Afghanistan? Iraq? Absolutely, but because the US is being evicted not because the US is voluntarily withdrawing. Normalize relations with Russia? Of course. While the US has been expending treasure on useless wars (pallets of $100 bills anyone?) the Russians have developed weapons that have rendered the USA a second rate military power. Can’t intimidate them any more so maybe the US should try friendship and diplomacy. What a brilliant politician. He tricked the Deep State into doing what he wanted to accomplish by letting them do what they wanted. US tax dollars hard at work: killing civilians, killing US military members, creating more people who want to bomb us (terrorists), manufacturing future wars we can't get out of so more of our tax dollars can plop into military industrial complex pockets. Fun! Isn't it? And what do we get as we sit here in the US? Absolutely nothing. Maybe a slight feeling of being a little less safe. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WalkingOrders Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 16 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Yet another trump achievement, bravo sir.. This American is for the United States withdrawal of all American forces from Iraq, and Afghanistan. Today. Likewise, withdrawal of all forces from Germany, Spain, and South Korea. Futher, I support withdrawal from NATO, and re-appropriating all Defense savings to modernization, R&D, and ship building. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, giddyup said: Why is it that western cultures expect other cultures to want the same things and behave in the same way? Ever heard of self-determination? This American is all for that, including allowing Nations to have civil wars without intervention, and not take any refugees, or provide humanitarian aid, when they starve themselves. Self-Determination 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Ventenio said: When Wuhan invades Iraq and wipes out half the population, they will be crying to America for help. But, who cares, they will be angry all day and hate and hate...OK, off to the beach, have fun Iraqis with all your hatred. Biological warfare? The invading troops will consist of those infected with the corona virus? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, WalkingOrders said: This American is all for that, including allowing Nations to have civil wars without intervention, and not take any refugees, or provide humanitarian aid, when they starve themselves. Self-Determination As long as the refugees aren't created by western interference. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Emdog said: Nice job Donnie. As he has attention span of a quark, pretty safe he never considered what could go wrong, have "unintended consequences" from doing a hit job in a home country (Iraq) that also takes out some of their brass. And he has no one left in admin that could tell him when he made the choice (not that he'd listen) "Sir, that's crazy". That was a great hit. Having said that, I support total withdrawal from both Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as withdrawal from NATO, and South Korea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said: This American is for the United States withdrawal of all American forces from Iraq, and Afghanistan. Today. Likewise, withdrawal of all forces from Germany, Spain, and South Korea. Futher, I support withdrawal from NATO, and re-appropriating all Defense savings to modernization, R&D, and ship building. Withdraw? The vote is telling the government the American forces must be told to leave. Edited January 25, 2020 by Bluespunk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, sucit said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Great statement. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed. Try to imagine if your son was killed in an illegal war, then imagine if an American told you that you were "so ungrateful". I am not, was not a supporter of Iraq war, and favor total withdraw, but who determined the war was "illegal", who determines if a war is legal for the United States? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaiFelix Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: So ungrateful. Surely you are being sarcastic?? Do you know anything about Iraqs recent history....obviously not. Or do you think the US should stay to keep looking for the WMD's. What a joke! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Withdraw? The vote is telling the government the American forces must be told to leave. Well yeah, leaving is called withdrawing. But even if Iraq was inviting the USA to remain, I support pulling out, withdrawing, leaving. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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