snoop1130 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 China building 1,000-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus A man holding an umbrella walks past excavators at the construction site where the new hospital is being built to treat patients of a new coronavirus following the outbreak and the city’s lockdown, on the outskirts of Wuhan, China January 24, 2020. cnsphoto via REUTERS. BEIJING (Reuters) - The Chinese city of Wuhan is rapidly building a new 1,000-bed hospital to treat victims of a new coronavirus, mobilising machinery to get it ready by early next week, state media said. The virus has killed 25 people in China and infected more than 800, the government said on Friday, as the World Health Organisation declared it an emergency but stopped short of declaring the epidemic of international concern. Most of the cases are in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated late last year. The new hospital is being built around a holiday complex originally intended for local workers, set in gardens by a lake on the outskirts of the city, the official Changjiang Daily reported on Friday. Prefabricated buildings, which will have 1,000 beds, will be put up, it said. Building machinery, including 35 diggers and 10 bulldozers, arrived at the site on Thursday night, with the aim to get the new facility ready by Monday, the paper added. “The construction of this project is to solve the shortage of existing medical resources,” the report said. “Because it will be prefabricated buildings, it will not only be built fast but it also won’t cost much.” China State Construction Engineering, one of the companies building the hospital, said on Friday it was “doing all it can and would overcome difficulties” to play its part, adding it now had more than 100 workers on the site. Images on state television showed a flurry of activity at the muddy building site with dozens of diggers painted in multiple colours hard at work preparing the ground, as a stream of trucks ferried in materials and equipment. The hospital aims to copy the experience of Beijing in 2003, when the city battled Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS). As many as 774 people died globally in the SARS epidemic, which reached nearly 30 countries. At the time, Beijing built the Xiaotangshan hospital in its northern suburbs in just a week. Within two months, it treated one-seventh of all the country’s SARS patients, the Changjiang Daily said. “It created a miracle in the history of medical science,” the paper added. The Beijing hospital, built by 7,000 workers, was originally designed only to take people who were in recovery from SARS to relieve pressure on other hospitals. In the end it treated nearly 700 SARS patients. -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-01-24 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheDark Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, snoop1130 said: Building machinery, including 35 diggers and 10 bulldozers, arrived at the site on Thursday night, with the aim to get the new facility ready by Monday, the paper added. Building a 1000 bed hospital in just 4 days. That must become a record. Obviously the new hospital must be just a structure with basic necessities, but still it's amazing if they can make it in such an short period. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BTB1977 Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 All those machines for digging a big hole. This doesn't look good. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Without doctors, nurses, and trained personnel, that is not a hospital, it's a camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, BTB1977 said: All those machines for digging a big hole. This doesn't look good. gotta be big enough to bury the whole fleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 China whatever it's faults can teach Thailand a lesson or too in how to deal with a crisis. Which is a bit rich as the vast majority of the wealthy here are of Chinese heritage themselves. I'm thinking SARS ++ - not nice for those poor unfortunates that get infected and ill or die but not a global zombie attack that many are currently fearing and being hyped up on social media with hysterical videos which feed into the sense of panic and despondency. Social media is as much a blessing as a curse especially for developing news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) They certainly need this big new hospital and maybe a cemetery nearby. From the article: Self-proclaimed medic filmed three corpses unattended in a hospital corridor In a post, she accused authorities of covering up the truth of the epidemic She claimed doctors refused to issue diagnoses to control the official figures https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7924805/Chinese-nurse-claims-dead-bodies-left-unattended-Wuhan-hospital.html Edited January 24, 2020 by Kelsall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Sigh...... Hardly the place to go for factual reporting. The fact that they said 'self-proclaimed' tells us she's not a medic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, zydeco said: Without doctors, nurses, and trained personnel, that is not a hospital, it's a camp. With doctors, nurses and trained personnel, it is a hospital. Edited January 24, 2020 by Traubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, Traubert said: Sigh....... Hardly the place to go for factual reporting. The fact that they said 'self-proclaimed' tells us she's not a medic. There is no doubt that this is serious with serious implications for those most at risk which is the ill, the very young and the old. Thousands die each year as it is. And it is a new virus so there is much we do not know but it is fair to assume at the moment, and in the light of no new scientific evidence that much of the 'hysteria' is a reaction to an unprecedented cautious reaction from the Chinese authorities in light of their response to SARS (which killed just over 800). I'm hoping that a lot of the social media noise is hysteria generated by social media and a lot of collapsing is fainting , panic attacks and sheer fear at what it might be not what it actually is. Any way that is keeping me from freaking out at the moment. Sleep Peacefully for we don't yet know what tomorrow will bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheDark Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kelsall said: They certainly need this big new hospital and maybe a cemetery nearby. From the article: Self-proclaimed medic filmed three corpses unattended in a hospital corridor In a post, she accused authorities of covering up the truth of the epidemic She claimed doctors refused to issue diagnoses to control the official figures https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7924805/Chinese-nurse-claims-dead-bodies-left-unattended-Wuhan-hospital.html British crazy fear mongering media once again as source. Dailymail etc. are not newspapers but collection of invented stories for people who are keen to see the world in less realistic ways. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) And they may need more doctors as well. "Coronavirus doctors have been filmed collapsing as hospitals are reportedly overwhelmed in the quarantined city of Wuhan in China. Footage shared online appears to show a medic sprawled on the floor after reportedly collapsing amid the outbreak. His colleagues – including one woman in protective gear – continue to work around him as the sounds of coughing can be heard around the hospital reportedly in Wuhan." https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-doctors-collapse-hospitals-overwhelmed-21348105 Edited January 24, 2020 by Kelsall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Traubert Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kelsall said: And they may need more doctors as well. "Coronavirus doctors have been filmed collapsing as hospitals are reportedly overwhelmed in the quarantined city of Wuhan in China. Footage shared online appears to show a medic sprawled on the floor after reportedly collapsing amid the outbreak. His colleagues – including one woman in protective gear – continue to work around him as the sounds of coughing can be heard around the hospital reportedly in Wuhan." https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-doctors-collapse-hospitals-overwhelmed-21348105 Please stop with the British tabloids. 'Appears to show' 'reportedly' No-one believes them in Britain except the terminally thick. Every patient facing medic is in full protective gear, this guy isn't. Since 15 medics were infected, full protective gear is mandatory. This is not a Hubei hospital. Neither person in that photo is dressed like the medics in Wuhan. Edited January 24, 2020 by Traubert Addition 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, TheDark said: British crazy fear mongering media once again as source. Dailymail etc. are not newspapers but collection of invented stories for people who are keen to see the world in less realistic ways. Hallelujah brother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Traubert said: Please stop with the Daily Mail. 'Appears to show' 'reportedly' Just a question, no point to make. Do you trust the South China Morning Post? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 More evidence as to why they are building this large new hospital. "Scientists fear up to 4,500 Chinese patients may have caught the new coronavirus as health chiefs in Wuhan confirm four more cases" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7900047/Scientists-fear-4-500-Chinese-patients-caught-coronavirus.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Traubert said: Hallelujah brother. Here is a more rational and reasonable feed for those that want to get live updates. https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/23/coronavirus-china-virus-flu-scotland-testing-wuhan-live-news-updates 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kelsall said: More evidence as to why they are building this large new hospital. "Scientists fear up to 4,500 Chinese patients may have caught the new coronavirus as health chiefs in Wuhan confirm four more cases" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7900047/Scientists-fear-4-500-Chinese-patients-caught-coronavirus.html You're omitting the sentence before., You know, the one where they say likely number of people caught the virus is 1700. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Looks like we're in for one heck of a fight worldwide. This new hospital in Wuhan is a good start, but could be too little, too late. This virus could kill 50 million people. "China's coronavirus could have same death rate as Spanish flu pandemic that killed up to 50m people" https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-coronavirus-has-the-same-death-rate-as-the-spanish-flu-pandemic-that-killed-50-m-people-151608803.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, stevenl said: You're omitting the sentence before., You know, the one where they say likely number of people caught the virus is 1700. He is referring to mathematical projections done by several disease experts who estimate real infection load versus observed (at hospitals and clinics). As far as I know the projected numbers are now around 5000 - 7000. But everything keeps going up, confirmed now is 897 and suspected 1076. Total 1973. OTH news papers may not fully understand the numbers. Edited January 24, 2020 by rabas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, rabas said: He is referring to mathematical projections done by several disease experts who estimate real infection load versus observed (at hospitals and clinics). As far as I know the projected numbers are now around 5000 - 7000. But everything keeps going up, confirmed now is 897 and suspected 1076. Total 1973. OTH news papers may not fully understand the numbers. No. He is sensationalising a statement made. His post following my reaction is even worse. Edited January 24, 2020 by stevenl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Well, the new 1000-bed hospital in Wuhan won't help this poor <deleted>. He bought the farm. Virus is spreading rapidly. "BEIJING - A young, healthy man from Wuhan and a person living 1,500 miles from the epicenter of the coronavirus are among the latest victims of the outbreak, which has incited fear and anger across China as the important Spring Festival gets underway" https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Healthy-young-man-among-new-deaths-reported-of-15000796.php 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Kelsall said: Well, the new 1000-bed hospital in Wuhan won't help this poor <deleted>. He bought the farm. Virus is spreading rapidly. "BEIJING - A young, healthy man from Wuhan and a person living 1,500 miles from the epicenter of the coronavirus are among the latest victims of the outbreak, which has incited fear and anger across China as the important Spring Festival gets underway" https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Healthy-young-man-among-new-deaths-reported-of-15000796.php Meanwhile, 35,000 people died last year in the USA from plain vanilla flu. That's almost 100 a day. Every year, year in, year out. 170 deaths a day in the 2017-2018 flu season in the USA alone. China having 5x the population of the USA, I'd expect them to lose 500 people a day to plain vanilla flu. Along with 2.5 million hospitalizations related to plain old flu. Keep it in perspective. SARS killed less than 1000 people, all told. That's less than China loses in 2 days to the old fashioned flu. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html Edited January 24, 2020 by impulse 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, impulse said: Meanwhile, 35,000 people died last year in the USA from plain vanilla flu. That's almost 100 a day. Every year, year in, year out. 170 deaths a day in the 2017-2018 flu season in the USA alone. China having 5x the population of the USA, I'd expect them to lose 500 people a day to plain vanilla flu. Along with 2.5 million hospitalizations related to plain old flu. Keep it in perspective. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html It's not what ordinarily happens, it's what could happen. Ordinary human flu is not a problem as we all have some immunity. But take some shlt crazy bat virus from a Chinese cave that humans have no immunity to and the outcome is unpredictable. The only question is how well it learns to spread and to kill. Spreading it's now doing well. A better perspective is that so far only a few/several 1000s of people in Wuhan have been exposed, and already all hospitals are overflowing and loosing control, and the government is shutting down everything they can to stop the spread. Now apply that to the world's population of 7.5 billion. What do you get? The other perspective is 1918 when an H1N1 flu from a bird killed 50 million people when the world had 1/3 the population it has today. H1N1-1918 learned to spread and then learned to kill well on it second trip around the world in year 2. But H1N1-1918 was a perfect storm. Bat-shlt-2019 probably not, but it has a perfect start. Oops, total confirmed just pushed past 900 at 11:03pm. http://3g.dxy.cn/newh5/view/pneumonia Edited January 24, 2020 by rabas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted January 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, rabas said: A better perspective is that so far only a few/several 1000s of people in Wuhan have been exposed, and already all hospitals are overflowing and loosing control, and the government is shutting down everything they can to stop the spread. Now apply that to the world's population of 7.5 billion. What do you get? My question is whether the hospitals would be overflowing if there wasn't a panic and a government effort to push people into the hospitals and quarantine. Or would the people treat it like a normal year and stay in bed like they normally do for the flu? I don't fault the CCP for their actions, since this is happening during the Chinese New Year and I'd rather they err on the cautious side. That said, I have a plane ticket to Beijing this coming Sunday and I worry more that the trade show I'm going to attend will be cancelled than I am about getting the virus. I lived in China through SARS and through swine flu and through a few seasons of bird flu. During SARS, we were doing factory tours and it wasn't uncommon to drive up on a town and find the road barricaded to keep people from entering. One good result was that eating habits changed, and instead of everyone sticking their chopsticks in a communal bowl, people ordered individual portions and didn't share. But that didn't last long... My point, poorly made as it is, is that sometimes the panic is worse than the thing you're panicking about. Edited January 24, 2020 by impulse 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techietraveller84 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I wonder how they are going to get the medical staff to go to Wuhan to staff this new, built in 4 days, hospital. Can't imagine there will be many volunteers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 hours ago, rabas said: Just a question, no point to make. Do you trust the South China Morning Post? I don't trust any media outlet. I know where you're going with that one so I'll decline to comment further. I know the British press better than any other, and every newspaper in the UK has an agenda. As does the BBC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, techietraveller84 said: I wonder how they are going to get the medical staff to go to Wuhan to staff this new, built in 4 days, hospital. Can't imagine there will be many volunteers. I don't believe that BS anyway the concrete slap and footings will never dry in 4 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, techietraveller84 said: I wonder how they are going to get the medical staff to go to Wuhan to staff this new, built in 4 days, hospital. Can't imagine there will be many volunteers. I've seen volunteers coming in on the HS train to Wuhan. There are always brave and noble people in a crisis. It can bring out the best (and worst) in people. Must admit there is the fear virus creeping into my thoughts. We need some good fact based, up to date scientific views. Twitter in English has gone full scale hysteria reposting the more grim looking videos from Weibo with doomsday comments. What we can ascertain from the actions of the Chinese government is that they are 'panicking' and on an epic unprecedented scale. Edited January 25, 2020 by URMySunshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheDark Posted January 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 hours ago, White Christmas13 said: I don't believe that BS anyway the concrete slap and footings will never dry in 4 days. It's a hospital they are building. Perfect place to cure the concrete. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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