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Dinner download - Tape surfaces of Trump calling for envoy's firing


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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

It depends on his motive for dismissing her from her post. If he believed that she was interfering with his desire to pressure the Ukrainians to investigate Biden in exchange for aid, that would be grounds for impeachment.

She was a witness for the Democrats in the House.  She provided no such evidence in her testimony.  Just another gossipblower bureaucrat who didn't like Trump.

 

Trump can fire ambassadors for walking funny.  He doesn't need any reason at all.

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4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

. . . corrupt purpose . . . 

Still a valid firing -- no matter what the purpose.

 

And Democrats are still investigating the man in search of that elusive crime . . .  And the subject of the firing couldn't even provide any evidence of Trump and a crime.  Even trying to criminalize legal behavior and making up crimes hasn't worked.

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10 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Many would love to apply that logic to you, Donald!

Except for the pesky little thing called an election. She serves at the pleasure of the president. She was vehemently against him. She should have been replaced on day one like Obama had done with all political appointees 

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41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If POTUS wishes to fire an ambassador then he does so by instructing via the Secretary of State, not by telling hires goons with direct links to the Ukrainian criminal underworld to

’take her out’.

 

Why was he giving these instructions to people who do not work for the government, people he denies knowing despite piles of evidence that he has known them for many years?

 

Why skirt the Secretary of State?

Why lie about knowing long term associates?

Links to the criminal underworld? May I have that reference please. 

 

He can replace any diplomat or cabinet members at any time, for any reason in any way he chooses. It really is that simple. 

 

It was a year later this idiot was removed, so do you think these guys had any influence on it? 

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49 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's not her evidence that's the issue here. Yes, the President can fire ambassadors at will. But if it's for a corrupt purpose, like eliminating a political opponent from contention, than it's impeachable. In other words, it goes to motive. 

And there's no evidence that she did spread gossip about Trump. That calumny was spread by Parnas, who has since said it was false.

Please tell me you can't possibly think firing an ambassador that is not working on the presidents policy is in any way impeachment material. 

 

You can't possibly think that can you? 

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6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Putting your own imagination to work and assigning meanings to words and expressions is never really convincing.

 

She was, supposedly, refusing to hang the POTUS photo up and being unco-operative due to political bias. 

 

Likely to get fired by any POTUS.

 

Or these may be false accusations, she did hang the photo up and was just trying to do her job.

 

But wonder how you'd react if Hilary had been elected and an Ambassador was refusing to hang her photo up and showing political bias in her job?

 You should check your fact before posting. The above has being debanked a long time ago as untrue.

The Ambassador along with thousands of other embassies, consulates and other US offices, did not have a picture to hung, because it took the trump administration nine months to release an official portrait

, and even longer to deliver one,

"In September 2017, the Washington Post reported that, eight months after the president’s inauguration, photos of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence were still missing from thousands of government offices. That included embassies abroad.

Why? The Post reported the delay had to do with red tape at the Government Publishing Office (GPO), which prints official portraits. 

The GPO told the Post it was still waiting for the White House to send official portraits of Trump and Pence. The White House told the newspaper that the duo had not yet decided when they would sit for the photos. "

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/nov/22/fact-checking-trumps-falsehoods-fox-and-friends-ab/

That and the allegations that she "badmouthed" were were refuted by her under oath, if the assertions are true why isn't the administration  prosecute her for perjury?

This is our country you are damaging by repeating lies. Be a Patriot and stand up four your country and not for this waste if skin President.

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10 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 You should check your fact before posting. The above has being debanked a long time ago as untrue.

The Ambassador along with thousands of other embassies, consulates and other US offices, did not have a picture to hung, because it took the trump administration nine months to release an official portrait

, and even longer to deliver one,

"In September 2017, the Washington Post reported that, eight months after the president’s inauguration, photos of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence were still missing from thousands of government offices. That included embassies abroad.

Why? The Post reported the delay had to do with red tape at the Government Publishing Office (GPO), which prints official portraits. 

The GPO told the Post it was still waiting for the White House to send official portraits of Trump and Pence. The White House told the newspaper that the duo had not yet decided when they would sit for the photos. "

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/nov/22/fact-checking-trumps-falsehoods-fox-and-friends-ab/

That and the allegations that she "badmouthed" were were refuted by her under oath, if the assertions are true why isn't the administration  prosecute her for perjury?

This is our country you are damaging by repeating lies. Be a Patriot and stand up four your country and not for this waste if skin President.

Virtue signaling, it really is getting old. 

 

He will not be removed from office. 

 

Beat him at the ballot box with someone who isn't going to go on a massive utopian giveaway campaign and you have a chance. 

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Just now, Chiphigh said:

Virtue signaling, it really is getting old. 

 

He will not be removed from office. 

 

Beat him at the ballot box with someone who isn't going to go on a massive utopian giveaway campaign and you have a chance. 

I am sorry you feel the truth is "getting old"

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4 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I am sorry you feel the truth is "getting old"

You have your opinion. I am sorry you think the impeachment is actually warranted. But there is no need to preach or pretend that you possess a better moral perspective. It gets nowhere. 

Stick with yang, he's at least partially sane compared to rest of the clowns. 

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1 hour ago, Ricohoc said:

Rights are, by design, a choice to be made by the individual and not subject to the approval of others.

 

In the case of firing of federal employees, and in light of privacy laws, there's no way to know what was at the heart of any firing at that level.  I've read articles that indicate that the new Ukrainian government was not comfortable working with her.  Ambassadors aren't very effective if the host country doesn't care for them.

The ‘rights’ POTUS has to act are not rights to act corruptly. 

 

Which ‘privacy laws’ you are referring to is a mystery, POTUS has not declared any ‘secrecy’ he has simply lied and denied knowledge of people and events for which there is publicly available evidence to demonstrate without question that he is lying.

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14 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Sorry, an ambassador can be removed by the president at any time in any way he chooses. 

And a president can be removed for doing so for unlawful reasons. Not for the removal, but for the reason.

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

John Bolton disagrees with you.

If I'm not incorrect, so does Washington Post, CNN, Nancy Pelosi and the entire left-liberal elite. Good thing the American people are given the option to agree/disagree as well.

 

Speaking of disagreement, what are the odds that the left-liberal elite calls for a - shall we call it a "peoples vote" - in case the majority disagrees with them... 

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3 minutes ago, Forethat said:

If I'm not incorrect, so does Washington Post, CNN, Nancy Pelosi and the entire left-liberal elite. Good thing the American people are given the option to agree/disagree as well.

 

Speaking of disagreement, what are the odds that the left-liberal elite calls for a - shall we call it a "peoples vote" - in case the majority disagrees with them... 

The arguments apologizing for Trump have now reached the point of lumping John Bolton I’m with the ‘entire left-liberal elite’.

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3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The arguments apologizing for Trump have now reached the point of lumping John Bolton I’m with the ‘entire left-liberal elite’.

So...101/100..?

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