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1 hour ago, Traubert said:

Ah. It wasn't going to be long until the anti-semitism card came out was it?

Simplistic thinking much? I called jaiyen out on this because he described these rabbis as rich? Was there anything in the article that discussed these rabbis economic status? And what is a common belief among anti-semites? That all Jews are rich. So, no, I don't think it was a stretch or a reflexive response.

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It would have probably been better not to open this thread to comments as some things are best left unsaid and a holocaust memorial ding dong is an extremely unedifying thing to have on an internet forum whatever the merits of an 'argument'. Let the dead rest in peace and we should never forget what terrible unconscionable acts of utter inhumanity happened there and done by man unto man on an industrial scale.

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4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

And you know that these rabbis are rich how? You've betrayed your anti-semitism.

And if you're going to credit Christians for the rescue of Jews, then who do you blame for their slaughter. In fact, the armies that rescued that small percentage of surviving Jews came as soldiers of their nations not as soldiers of any particular religion. Or are you confusing WW2 with the Crusades?

It should  not be ignored or distracted from that the battle and outcome of WW2 was not based on religious ideology. The outcome culminated in liberating Jewish survivors among significant numbers of  others as a laudable  consequence but  not the primary objective.

I make  no apology for the fact that I do not feel greater objection of gross attempted  genocide to a specific group of people than I do for the collective others who suffered same fate in equivalent numbers !

If there were to be any singular memorial to ALL those who so horribly perished it should be  represented in a form that denies allegiance to any specific religion but recognizes the diversity of the entirety of the victims !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I personally agree the Catholic Church should not have a church at Auschwitz, the Catholic Church has blood on its hands from the Holocaust and it is offensive for the Catholic Church to have a Church at Auschwitz.

 

I don’t however agree there should be no Christian presence, Christians and others who were not Jews were also amongst the victims at Auschwitz, they too must be remembered.

 

I personally would like to see a pantheon, multi faith place of prayer and remembrance for all the victims of the Nazi death camps.

 

Again. I agree, get the Catholic Church out of there and let individual Catholics pray and remember alongside anyone who comes to pray and remember, regardless of their faith.

You are aware that Poland is a sovereign nation - and a predominantly Christian one at that, right?

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A picture of Anne Frank on the right in front of the first high-rise in Europe, De Wolkenkrabber in Amsterdam, built in 1930.

Anne Frank.jpg

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4 hours ago, Scot123 said:

What utter dribble. Try reading some history as nazi's were atheists by design. If you wish to question the wealth of these men just look it up first. If survivors had made issue over this then it would hold some credence. Let us not forget that there were many groups who lost people: civilians who list their lives and the military who died defeating these maniac Nazi and let's not forget the Japanese who also masacared millions of civilians (mostly Chinese). More than just Jews died at the hands of evil. 

The historian Richard J Evans wrote that, by 1939, 95% of Germans still called themselves either Protestant or Catholic, while 3.5% identified as "gottgläubig" (lit. "believers in god", a non-denominational nazified outlook on god beliefs, often described as predominately based on creationist and deistic views[7]) and 1.5% atheist... The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Protestants.[31]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

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8 hours ago, Traubert said:

Can't they just have a multi-faith facility and respect each others losses?

 

I suppose that's too much to ask.

Because most religions people are brainwashed to think of other faiths as the enemy.. and working against their god or gods, because apparently each religion knows for sure that they are the only true one and everyone else must convert to them or go to hell for eternity being whipped and burnt by little red demons.  

 

Sad, how in this day and age, with our supposed intelligence, many humans have such backward and stupid thinking to believe in religions at all.  

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12 hours ago, bannork said:

A picture of Anne Frank on the right in front of the first high-rise in Europe, De Wolkenkrabber in Amsterdam, built in 1930.

Anne Frank.jpg

Off topic, but not the first high rise in Europe. Het Witte Huis in Rotterdam was the first in the Netherlands.

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On 1/27/2020 at 11:31 PM, jak2002003 said:

 

 

Sad, how in this day and age, with our supposed intelligence, many humans have such backward and stupid thinking to believe in religions at all.  

Right on.

 

You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?" –Mark Twain

 

 

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Of peripheral interest to this board published yesterday:

 

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