snoop1130 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Severe air pollution forces Nok Air flight back to Bangkok By THE NATION Pollution in Phrae province reached a very high level, obstructing a Nok Air plane from landing and forcing it to head back to Bangkok. PM2.5 dust particles today (January 27) were found to be 564 micrograms per cubic meter in the province, while PM10 was 171 micrograms. The particles were visible, with 191 hotspots, especially in the districts of Long, Song, and Wang Chin. Locals were urged to spray water to protect themselves. The particles cut visibility, forcing the Nok Air flight back to Don Mueang Airport. People who wanted to take the 11.30am flight had to head to Chiang Mai or Lam Pang airports to travel by air. “However, those passengers did not need to buy new tickets to take a new flight,” Nok Air’s manager for Phrae Natcha Chaiyawan said. She said those who wanted to come to Phrae from Bangkok needed to wait for the 6pm flight. “The flights tomorrow [Tuesday] will be operated as usual,” she said. “However, if we experience the same problem again, we will do as we did today." Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30381143 -- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-01-27 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dumbastheycome Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 That is a serious problem ! If atmospheric pollution is not but at a level such as generated by a volcanic eruption serious enough to do this then it should not be ignored as something that can not be controlled or alleviated! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, snoop1130 said: The particles cut visibility, forcing the Nok Air flight back to Don Mueang Airport. And because they couldn't see very far the did not land? What do they do in bad rain? I thought they should be able to fly blind just with instruments? 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Hornblower Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Better safe than sorry, already three aircraft incidents throughout the world in the last 24 hrs. As an aside, is it only me or do others find the Nok Air paint scheme a little scary? OK I get the image intent, a steam pigeon, but "flames" coming from the cockpit area and then down towards the tail abaft the engines, hmmmm! Edited January 27, 2020 by Admiral Hornblower adding a thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canopy Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, snoop1130 said: PM2.5 dust particles today (January 27) were found to be 564 micrograms per cubic meter The truth comes out! We were told earlier today that even the worst air in the north is at least 4x better than that. From this article: "In the northern region, they [PM2.5] measured between 20-134 micrograms per cubic metre". Busted! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Youlike Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: I thought they should be able to fly blind just with instruments? Yes they can also drive a car without lights.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chrysaora Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: And because they couldn't see very far the did not land? What do they do in bad rain? I thought they should be able to fly blind just with instruments? You non-pilots watch too many movies. There is what's called an MDA or minimum decision height. If you can't see the runway at the MDA you are mandated by law to go around and find an alternate airport to land. Only a few airports can land planes with almost no visibility. The MDA varies by airport. Instruments can get you to the airport, get you established on the glideslope (localizer) but if at some point, the MDA, you can't see the runway, you can't land. I suspect they were not allowing departures as well. Edited January 27, 2020 by Chrysaora 11 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PJPom Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 I would rather the man up front says I’m not happy and aborts the approach than have a gung ho hero who pushes the limits. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannork Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Admiral Hornblower said: Better safe than sorry, already three aircraft incidents throughout the world in the last 24 hrs. As an aside, is it only me or do others find the Nok Air paint scheme a little scary? OK I get the image intent, a steam pigeon, but "flames" coming from the cockpit area and then down towards the tail abaft the engines, hmmmm! Surely they are feathers? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, bannork said: Surely they are feathers? Anything can be anything on TVF if the prejudice is strong enough. Nok is Thai, see? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post unamazedloso Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 Locals were urged to spray water to protect themselves. And how exactly does that help? Particles this small slip between water droplets. Best get a real big fan and blow it away. Works better!! All these things they have advised but they either know nothing or cant even use google correctly. Best thing really to do would be arrest the illegal fire starters but for some dum reason it will never happen. This government has doomed its citizens with a push for more sugarcane in the future to fill their desire to use more ethanol based fuels which isnt a good investment when electric vehicles are now a thing which has sadly been taxed ridiculously probably for the same reason. Dont let me get started on the unhelthy push for more and more sugar.... 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysaora Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, unamazedloso said: Locals were urged to spray water to protect themselves. And how exactly does that help? It helps the particles stick to their bodies. It keeps them cool. Best way to calm a bird is to spray it with water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Chrysaora said: You non-pilots watch too many movies. There is what's called an MDA or minimum decision height. If you can't see the runway at the MDA you are mandated by law to go around and find an alternate airport to land. Only a few airports can land planes with almost no visibility. The MDA varies by airport. Instruments can get you to the airport, get you established on the glideslope (localizer) but if at some point, the MDA, you can't see the runway, you can't land. I suspect they were not allowing departures as well. You seem to be confusing Minimum Descent Altitude With Decision Altitude. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The wind is from south now so they are getting all the cane smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted January 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chrysaora said: You non-pilots watch too many movies. There is what's called an MDA or minimum decision height. If you can't see the runway at the MDA you are mandated by law to go around and find an alternate airport to land. Only a few airports can land planes with almost no visibility. The MDA varies by airport. Instruments can get you to the airport, get you established on the glideslope (localizer) but if at some point, the MDA, you can't see the runway, you can't land. I suspect they were not allowing departures as well. I don't know about the movies, but I landed my Cessna 152 many times "under the hood" with less than 40 flying hours. "The hood" was a mask that obscured all vision out the windows while allowing a student to look at the plane's instruments. It mimics a situation where you can't see anything outside for the weather. And I did it at airports without any tower at all. The regulations may prohibit it under a normal flight, but I'm pretty sure they could have landed safely if they were low on fuel and couldn't see the runway. Edited January 27, 2020 by impulse 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysaora Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You seem to be confusing Minimum Descent Altitude With Decision Altitude. Quite correct. It's been a while since I've flown IFR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntukin Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If only your pathetic life is at stake then yeah, go ahead and ignore all protocols ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJPom Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, impulse said: I don't know about the movies, but I landed my Cessna 152 many times "under the hood" with less than 40 flying hours. "The hood" was a mask that obscured all vision out the windows while allowing a student to look at the plane's instruments. It mimics a situation where you can't see anything outside for the weather. And I did it at airports without any tower at all. The regulations may prohibit it under a normal flight, but I'm pretty sure they could have landed safely if they were low on fuel and couldn't see the runway. I didn’t know Cessna 152 had a radar altimeter and full ILS panel, most unusual... Regulations also mandate minimum reserves of fuel and alternative airport in submitted flight plan so low fuel emergency should never arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, PJPom said: I didn’t know Cessna 152 had a radar altimeter and full ILS panel, most unusual... Regulations also mandate minimum reserves of fuel and alternative airport in submitted flight plan so low fuel emergency should never arise. They didn't. And that was long before GPS. Yet I was still able to practice no-visibility landings at Houston Southwest Airport... Just a strip with no tower... There was a lot of help from Hobby's tower (HOU)- quite a few miles away. To be honest, it was so long ago I don't remember the mechanics of it. Just that, after flying around in a C152, I was never nervous about flying commercial- no matter how bumpy it got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I remember years back, like the 70s and even early 80s when flying into Los Angeles California after being in a clean air outdoor place like new Hampshire with trees and lakes and stuff, you could of course see the pollution and haze and smog but you could also "smell" it and get the metallic taste on your tongue as the plane went into the area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 9 hours ago, unamazedloso said: Locals were urged to spray water to protect themselves. And how exactly does that help? Particles this small slip between water droplets. Best get a real big fan and blow it away. Works better!! All these things they have advised but they either know nothing or cant even use google correctly. Best thing really to do would be arrest the illegal fire starters but for some dum reason it will never happen. This government has doomed its citizens with a push for more sugarcane in the future to fill their desire to use more ethanol based fuels which isnt a good investment when electric vehicles are now a thing which has sadly been taxed ridiculously probably for the same reason. Dont let me get started on the unhelthy push for more and more sugar.... Further, and still nothing concrete to STOP sugar cane burning. I guess money rules! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yom Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Info about the air pollution in Phrae: Chiang Rai Forum - Thaivisa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Chrysaora said: You non-pilots watch too many movies. There is what's called an MDA or minimum decision height. If you can't see the runway at the MDA you are mandated by law to go around and find an alternate airport to land. Only a few airports can land planes with almost no visibility. The MDA varies by airport. Instruments can get you to the airport, get you established on the glideslope (localizer) but if at some point, the MDA, you can't see the runway, you can't land. I suspect they were not allowing departures as well. Thanks Sometimes it's enough the explain those non-pilots just the facts like you just did. And sometimes it would be even better to write those facts directly in the original article to avoid the questions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30la Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Maybe someone wakes up now! If you don't stop with your fires, this will be the future! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: And because they couldn't see very far the did not land? What do they do in bad rain? I thought they should be able to fly blind just with instruments? LOL they follow the main roads, couldn't see them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Very strange indeed, never heard of a commercial jet having to turn around because of too much pollution in the air. If this is normal then China would have cancelled dozens of flights daily... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aachen Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: And because they couldn't see very far the did not land? What do they do in bad rain? I thought they should be able to fly blind just with instruments? Just start to get more information about flight safety before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, legend49 said: LOL they follow the main roads, couldn't see them. I should laugh about that but I wouldn't bet it's wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Aachen said: 13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: And because they couldn't see very far the did not land? What do they do in bad rain? I thought they should be able to fly blind just with instruments? Just start to get more information about flight safety before posting. Do you know the meaning of question marks? People use them to indicate that they are not sure or ask questions. I didn't write something like: These idiots should use the instruments! I wrote: "And because they couldn't see very far the did not land?" Do you spot the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) Flying right into the burning season Edited January 28, 2020 by MaxLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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