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My experience flying into Suvarnabhumi yesterday

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11 hours ago, Just Weird said:

He probably isn't but then he's not whinging and ranting hypocritically about it!

Out of all the name calling and character attacks and "muh hand sanitizer" posts this is the only one I take issue with.

 

Airport officials assured everyone that they will enforce measures to reduce transmissions. What I saw was that they were doing the OPPOSITE - a whole bunch of things to FACILITATE more transmissions. I don't know what your definition of hypocrite is but in my view I'm the one pointing out their own hypocrisy. 

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8 hours ago, Letseng said:

Do you expect the taxis or any public transport you use to get disinfected before you board?

Oh, don't ever use a supermarket trolley ever.

OP sounds like his expectations of this world are at an expecting level of a sterile vacuum standard.  I ask why travel, and travel into region of high risk.  The only place you might be safe is in outer space. 

 

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On 1/28/2020 at 2:10 PM, Genmai said:

 

We were all told by the media and the PM that certain measures were being taken to ensure the control of this virus. What I’m doing is presenting my account of how all of that is false. You want to explain to me how I’m in the wrong for doing that?

 

And no, according to the article I linked the guys job is now not only to check if I can come into the country, it’s also to do his part in containing the infection by certain measures which clearly nobody is doing.

 

As for learning disinfectant in Thai - sure, I’ll do that if you willing teach it to the millions of potentially infected Chinese visitors coming here AND get them to ask for it.

This is Asia not the west were safety is the priority.

 

 

Back 2003/4 when the  bird flu / SARS was happening. I flew in from HCMC and as we got off the plane we were directed to rooms setup to take everyone's temperature. (I get kidney stones all the time and get UT infections so I run a fever.) Therefore, I end up being taken to another room, the girl I'm with tells the nurse I have a fever. So the nurse grabs a cold towel puts in on my forehead for a few minutes and presto my fever is gone and all is good. 

Typical Thai reaction ignore it and it will go away! They dont want to find anyone as that will look bad to the international community.  

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57 minutes ago, ericthai said:

This is Asia not the west were safety is the priority.

 

 

Back 2003/4 when the  bird flu / SARS was happening. I flew in from HCMC and as we got off the plane we were directed to rooms setup to take everyone's temperature. (I get kidney stones all the time and get UT infections so I run a fever.) Therefore, I end up being taken to another room, the girl I'm with tells the nurse I have a fever. So the nurse grabs a cold towel puts in on my forehead for a few minutes and presto my fever is gone and all is good. 

Typical Thai reaction ignore it and it will go away! They dont want to find anyone as that will look bad to the international community.  

That's a great point...hopefully OP will heed all the postings perspective of international travel on this green earth and adjust his attitude to reality.  One must be proactive, not a pacifist...

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5 hours ago, ericthai said:

Typical Thai reaction ignore it and it will go away! They dont want to find anyone as that will look bad to the international community. 

No it wasn't. It was as standard assessment of a slightly feverish passenger due to something totally unrelated to the SARS carriers they were trying to detect. If they didn't ask you if you had any other illnesses or reason why you has an elevated temperature, I am pretty sure that when faced with the option of being needlessly detained, you couldn't stop yourself telling them about your kidney stones and UTI. But go ahead and omit that since it doesn't fit your Thai bashing narrative.

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On 1/29/2020 at 2:10 PM, BritManToo said:

Liquid not allowed on flight.

100 mls was allowed last time I flew

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11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

100 mls was allowed last time I flew

but, isn't it, and all 100ml stuff;  all to 'remain' Sealed inside the clear through view-inspectable bag? (that would render an atomiser disinfectant bottle unuseable)

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1 hour ago, tifino said:

but, isn't it, and all 100ml stuff;  all to 'remain' Sealed inside the clear through view-inspectable bag? (that would render an atomiser disinfectant bottle unuseable)

I've never ever "sealed" my fluids in a bag. At most a zip lock bag.

Perhaps things have changed recently.

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On 1/29/2020 at 2:31 PM, sucit said:

I would say Thailand is doing quite well by you. If I was the IO you would be in an overnight holding cell, without any hand sanitizer. 

He's lucky he wasn't refused entry, which is entirely at the discretion of the IO.

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2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He's lucky he wasn't refused entry, which is entirely at the discretion of the IO.

i'd read that as 'at the whim..."

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On 1/29/2020 at 2:55 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

Okay, so maybe the OP was a tad dramatic in his post but instead of slagging him off big time I prefer to learn from this.

 

Travel to Thailand should be avoided at this present time if possible, but if absolutely necessary take your own steps to protect yourself.

 

Wherever in the world you are coming from masks are available: take the time to purchase the best available and sufficient for yourself and family with regular changes.

 

Hand sanitizers are also available in pretty much every place, if you can find the sachets better still, if possible transfer to smaller bottles. Hand wipes are also a good option.

 

Attempt to have as little contact with crowds as possible, carry your own pen, avoid touching the toilet door etc ( the usual stuff just be more attentive ) clean the fingerprint scanner. Etc

 

Never assume others are going to care about your wellbeing, airport workers primary objective is to move legal travellers on as soon as possible they probably think the hand sanitiser has been given to them as they handle many passports and probably still do not use it !!

Till passengers are screened LEAVING, the infection might happen on the plane.

If one thinks using hand sanitiser on every publicly handled surface is going to save them, by all means do so, but one will need a very large bottle to do so. Taxi to hotel- clean the entire inside and insist on driver wearing a mask? Hotel check in- clean everything in close proximity? Restaurant- clean all the cutlery and insist the staff wear a mast when serving ( I have yet to see a mask that allows one to eat while wearing it )? 7 11? Shopping?

Bit hard to protect oneself against the world, isn't it?

Only real defence is the same thing that protects us from all the other viruses that surround us all the time- a good immune system.

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On 1/30/2020 at 12:29 PM, Happy Grumpy said:

The OP:

 

Doesn't bring his own disinfectant.

 

Doesn't learn the local word for it.

 

Complains.

 

Doesn't bring his own pen.

 

Complains. 

 

 

I'm guessing British.

 

Or perhaps just a complete and utter [email protected]

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There’s many Nations that complain alot more than we do Fella ! 

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Und also,
It attacks the central nervous system
[link to www.sciencedaily.com (secure)]
For the first time, researchers have found proof of a direct association between strain OC 43 of the human coronavirus (HCoV) and neurological disease in humans.

 

This breakthrough was made by British and Quebec researchers, including Professor Pierre Talbot of the INRS-Institut Armand-Frappier Centre, who was the first not only to demonstrate the virus's ability to invade the human central nervous system, but also to suggest the neuropathological effects of this virus responsible for approximately 20% of common colds and more severe respiratory conditions in certain vulnerable individuals.

The discovery was recently featured in the New England Journal of Medicine.

 

Perhaps this explains what the deal is with those videos of folks shaking and quaking?

 

The results obtained confirm Professor Talbot's hypothesis that the human respiratory coronavirus can cause certain neurological diseases of unknown origin, such as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, and encephalitis.

aber naturlich.

 

 

Here is some more new infor in case any of you drovers want to look it over.  

2020.01.30.926477v1.full.pdf

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On 1/30/2020 at 3:38 PM, Max69xl said:

"Panic because of the outbreake of a new virus."

"It's understandable that people worry about that."

Like you said,common people don't worry or panic. But it seems like 90% of the posters at TV do panic or worry a lot. They must be surrounded by coughing and sneezing Chinese tourists. 

 

I don't think being educated and understanding how this thing can get out of control represents "panic".  Typical influenza, has an R0 of only around 1.5 and a mortality rate of around 0.1% or less. The fact that 700,000 people die from it annually shows how easy it is for even a very mild virus to cause serious issues.

 

Now, let's look at coronavirus. With an R0 of around 3.8, (with some Chinese researchers saying the real, unreported value is as high as 5.5) and a mortality rate of around 3%, this is a serious threat if it is not stopped. Instead of 700,000 people dead in a year, it could be 70 million dead. And there is essentially no resistance to this virus in the general population.

 

The issue is not what coronavirus is doing today, it is what it could do very easily if we don't take this threat seriously. The relative ease by which we have contained things like SARS or MERS is causing complacency in the population. People think every notice of concern and emergency is someone panicking and saying "the sky is falling."

 

This is not panic. This is trying to get people to do what is necessary to stop something that could be a disaster. The black death killed only 20 - 30 million. The Spanish flu 50 million.  Look at that R0 above and the mortality rate, and then do some simple math.  This has the potential to eclipse those epidemics by an order of magnitude in a worst case.

 

Don't panic. Be logical. Demand the damned hand sanitizer. You need to be concerned about this.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, NanLaew said:

No it wasn't. It was as standard assessment of a slightly feverish passenger due to something totally unrelated to the SARS carriers they were trying to detect. If they didn't ask you if you had any other illnesses or reason why you has an elevated temperature, I am pretty sure that when faced with the option of being needlessly detained, you couldn't stop yourself telling them about your kidney stones and UTI. But go ahead and omit that since it doesn't fit your Thai bashing narrative.

I was never asked one question!! I was just asked to go with the lady  and we met a nurse. The nurse didn't talk to me at all just put a cold towel on my head and rechecked.  Once temperature was ok I was directed to immigration. Sure, I didn't want to end up in quarantine and I was ready to state I had a kidney stone, but again never asked! I'm not Thai bashing this is just how things are in Thailand. 

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