Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I understand crossbows are not controlled in the same fashion as firearms? Is there a way to verify the Thai law in English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Time to grow said: Is there a way to verify the Thai law in English? Yes, ask someone to translate it.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, cornishcarlos said: Yes, ask someone to translate it.. Is it available online someplace that you are aware of or was that just a "wise guy" response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Time to grow said: Is it available online someplace that you are aware of or was that just a "wise guy" response? I presumed as you were asking the question, you would have already found the applicable law ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 https://www.facebook.com/barnettcrossbowthai/ Ask these guys maybe ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Or just walk into your local Police station and ask "can or not" as it's them that will deal with you if you have /get one. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, CharlieH said: Or just walk into your local Police station and ask Thanks, I know that crossbows are readily available in Thailand, presumably they are legal. The problem with asking a local police officer is that he/she may not answer from knowledge of the law but his/her opinion. I am looking for a verifiable written source such as the legal text pertaining to crossbows, if such law exists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussiepeter Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 If it is any help, there is a small book called something like 'A Guide to Thai Law' (in English) which used to be available at both DK bookshop and Suriwong Book Centre at a cost of 250 baht (both shops are in CMai but may have branches elsewhere). The book covers all sorts of common subject matter and importantly, the statute fines for various offences. Most of those fines were, not surprisingly, tiny by western standards. Can't find my copy or I'd look for you. However, I bought a hill-tribe crossbow in CMai for 150 baht some years ago and had a lot of fun with it. Suspect it is a grey area though. Cheers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Aussiepeter said: there is a small book called something like 'A Guide to Thai Law' Thank you, that may be the best lead yet. I see that the Thai Ministry of Interior requires that some "weapons" require a permit before importation. Working on translating the specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Another book, Thai Law for Foreigners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Time to grow said: I understand crossbows are not controlled in the same fashion as firearms? Is there a way to verify the Thai law in English? How can you verify something that is not controlled? There will simply not be anything to verify then. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 If it helps there is more legal references /resources here pinned on the forum. https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1064885-thai-laws-regulations-in-english/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, Matzzon said: How can you verify something that is not controlled? One way to verify it would be a list of prohibited or restricted items that doesn't include a crossbow. So far, the list's I have seen from various legal firms differ from each other. This leads me to believe that they are not reliable sources as compared to a government publication or legal text. Searching the Thai Law Library by Siam Legal provides no matches for "Crossbow". Searching "weapon" offers some hits but nothing pertaining to restrictions, permitting, or licensing. Searching for "Firearms" only provides info on types of employment prohibited to foreigners. The thing is, I know registration of firearms is required but there is no mention of it here. http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/customs-act-2469-examination-of-goods-sections-14-37/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, CharlieH said: more legal references /resources here Thanks, I will take a look at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Time to grow said: One way to verify it would be a list of prohibited or restricted items that doesn't include a crossbow. So far, the list's I have seen from various legal firms differ from each other. This leads me to believe that they are not reliable sources as compared to a government publication or legal text. Searching the Thai Law Library by Siam Legal provides no matches for "Crossbow". Searching "weapon" offers some hits but nothing pertaining to restrictions, permitting, or licensing. Searching for "Firearms" only provides info on types of employment prohibited to foreigners. The thing is, I know registration of firearms is required but there is no mention of it here. http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/customs-act-2469-examination-of-goods-sections-14-37/ Just contact these guys, they can answer your questions: https://www.archerythai.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Time to grow said: Thanks, I will take a look at that Whilst I appreciate your point and concern of actual point of law etc. Like other things I feel it doesnt really matter, as ultimately its what the guy in a uniform with a gun on his hip thinks and interprets the law to be.The one that may or not as the case may be cart you off or demand money. Hence my comment, ask the ones most likey to do just that, in your area. ???????? I just contacted these : https://www.archerythai.com/ via Line and they say Xbows are NOT legal in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, CharlieH said: I just contacted these : https://www.archerythai.com/ via Line and they say Xbows are NOT legal in Thailand. Thank you but as I said before, I don't consider either www.archerythai or the local police officer to be a credible source. You make the argument that a local police officer will be the one to enforce the law but if there is no law to enforce, or if no money is afforded, a court will decide based upon written law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Time to grow said: Thank you but as I said before, I don't consider either www.archerythai or the local police officer to be a credible source. You make the argument that a local police officer will be the one to enforce the law but if there is no law to enforce, or if no money is afforded, a court will decide based upon written law. You dont consider a Police officer to be a credible source ? Are you telling me that you would dispute and refuse his direction and end up in a cell (potentially) because you dont think he's credible ? well, as the Thais say "up to you". !..........best of luck with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, CharlieH said: Are you telling me that you would dispute and refuse his direction and end up in a cell (potentially) because you dont think he's credible ? No, you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I will try to make it a little more clear for you. No, I do not trust the local police officers knowledge of (all) Thai law, particularly with regard to topics infrequently discussed or obscure in nature. This is not to disparage Thai Police. Police officers around the world are not trained in the full aspect of the law. Even if they were, they are not going to provide a written authorization. I am looking for something more concrete than my word against his word. "But he said it was okay" just wont cut it. No, I would not dispute and refuse his/her direction. I would follow the direction of a law enforcement officer regardless of their understanding of the law until a higher authority became available. Imagine this: Thai Customs Officer; "You are under arrest for possession of a controlled item" Me; "But, www.archerythai said it was okay and the police officer by my house said he didn't mind" Thai Customs Officer; "Next time, check the criminal code yourself" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Time to grow said: No, you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I will try to make it a little more clear for you. No, I do not trust the local police officers knowledge of (all) Thai law, particularly with regard to topics infrequently discussed or obscure in nature. This is not to disparage Thai Police. Police officers around the world are not trained in the full aspect of the law. Even if they were, they are not going to provide a written authorization. I am looking for something more concrete than my word against his word. "But he said it was okay" just wont cut it. No, I would not dispute and refuse his/her direction. I would follow the direction of a law enforcement officer regardless of their understanding of the law until a higher authority became available. Imagine this: Thai Customs Officer; "You are under arrest for possession of a controlled item" Me; "But, www.archerythai said it was okay and the police officer by my house said he didn't mind" Thai Customs Officer; "Next time, check the criminal code yourself" Ok, I hear you, so going by what you are saying here, you intend to purchase and import one ? (hence the customs guy). In which case he wouldnt be arresting you as you would never gain posession, it would be confiscated.(if illegal) How about this, you receive a notice from Customs saying your item has been confiscated/destroyed, as it is illegal in Thailand. My initial response was based on the assumption you already had one you brought here and were checking the legality before use etc. Slightly crossed wires it would seem. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Air rifles are illegal in Thailand,so I cannot see a Crossbow, which can do a lot more damage been legal. But just get one and walk about with it to see if you get arrested or not. regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CharlieH said: you intend to purchase and import one ? Actually, a friend visiting Thailand intends to carry a crossbow in his possession, when entering Thailand, if legal. Aside from the legal ramifications of being in possession of a potentially controlled item, simply having a very expensive, high end crossbow confiscated would be devastating. For this reason, I am trying to determine precisely what the law says (if anything) in regards to crossbows. Edited January 29, 2020 by Time to grow typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Time to grow said: Actually, a friend visiting Thailand intends to carry a crossbow in his possession, when entering Thailand, if legal. Aside from the legal ramifications of being in possession of a potentially controlled item, simply having a very expensive, high end crossbow confiscated would devastating. For this reason, I am trying to determine precisely what the law says (if anything) in regards to crossbows. Which makes perfect sense, however, you face a somewhat similar situation, this being Thailand. In that whether he is intercepted or not, and whether allowed to retain it or not, is going to be down to the guy he deals with on the day, and he wont be in any position to argue at that point. (possibly appeal later) The best scenario, is he is allowed to pass unchallenged/detected. You then are back to square one regarding legality. "If" on the other hand it is detected, is deemed illegal, it will be confiscated and therefore lost. My personal opinion is you are taking a gamble as to what "may" happen at entry. Not one I would take no matter what piece of paper you can produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 53 minutes ago, CharlieH said: My personal opinion is you are taking a gamble as to what "may" happen at entry. Not one I would take no matter what piece of paper you can produce. That may be but how is one to adhere to the law if one can't determine what the law is? Which finally gets back to my original question; Is there a way to verify the Thai law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Get a catapult... No great loss if it gets confiscated and ammo is readily available ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) I have a homemade bow and arrow that I practice with in the fields out back. Nobody has sent anything , possibly because I haven't hit anything yet. Edited January 29, 2020 by Denim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Denim said: I have a homemade bow and arrow that I practice with in the fields out back. Nobody has sent anything , possibly because I haven't hit anything yet. Thanks for the laugh! Best of luck hitting something in the future. I just came across this Customs list of prohibited and restricted items. The question now is, what is a "the equivalents to guns"? The Dept of Provincial Administration's website is mostly in Thai but I am working on it. http://www.customs.go.th/cont_strc_simple.php?ini_content=individual_160426_01&lang=en&left_menu=menu_individual_submenu_03_01 Edited January 29, 2020 by Time to grow forgot link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denim Posted January 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Time to grow said: Thanks for the laugh! Best of luck hitting something in the future Actually, I am quite surprised at the potential power in this ultra primitive bow. The problem is with arrow that has lots of knots in it and is not too straight. The feathers are not that straight either being at slightly divergent angles so that I think I might have invented the first rifled arrow. When released it starts off in one direction, then changes its mind and veers in the opposite direction before settling on a compromise. The only thing it hasn't done yet is come back and ask for more specific directions. I am looking in various places for a length of dowling so I can actually have a quiver of my own. Even as it is the arrow will fly 50 meters and when fired at an old plastic lounger, punched a hole in it from 40 meters ( wife not impressed ) With straighter and longer arrows and a bow reinforced with chicken wire I just know it will make about 75 meters which I think is the distance archers fire at in the Olympics Cheap hobby that gives me some pleasure. Total outlay so far .....zilch. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred white Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Time to grow said: Thanks, I know that crossbows are readily available in Thailand, presumably they are legal. The problem with asking a local police officer is that he/she may not answer from knowledge of the law but his/her opinion. I am looking for a verifiable written source such as the legal text pertaining to crossbows, if such law exists. Where I've never seen them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 hours ago, Time to grow said: One way to verify it would be a list of prohibited or restricted items that doesn't include a crossbow. I don't know why all the fuss I have had and use a Recurve bow similar to a longbow for years, I will be getting a crossbow this year as well because I like archery. As long as you don't kill anything with it it's legal, ???? TIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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