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Luckily, I quickly got from the Chicago Consulate my non-imm, one-year, multi-entry visa to visit my Thai wife in Thailand. When I arrive at her apartment in BKK, do I have to submit the TM28 and TM30 within 24 hours? I'm a bit worried as she lives in an apartment that isn't at all in a place where Thais deal with farangs (I go for days in that neighborhood without seeing a non-Thai). My expectation is that whoever is running her apartment isn't going to know anything about how to deal with those forms. I understand you can't do that TM30 yourself but the landlord has to file it. Advice? Thoughts?

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Two options:
Have your wife ask the landlord for the needed documents to file the TM30 for you online (see link below). Additionally, once the online account is set up, see if she can get permission to access the website with the login information for future use to log you for future travels or...

You can go to any immigration or police station and complete the TM28 (form attached). I've attached a power of attorney form also giving permission to anyone you might want to file the forms for you. Finally I have attached the entire immigration act, see sections 37 and 38 for rules on the TM28 and TM30 reporting requirements. 
tm28 (1).pdf
1619416007_Power-of-Attorney-FormforTM30 (1).pdf781542698_ImmigrationActB.E.2522(1979)en-immigration.pdf

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/

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I appreciate all of that information. I'm a bit worried. Like a lot of situations in Thailand, wife has a very complicated status/relationship with the "landlord" of her apartment and this happens to be the local police department in her part of BKK. She was gifted the apartment by her ex-husband who is a police officer (apparently some police officers get an apartment as a perk of employment). I am not 100% certain, but the big boss police who might need to cooperate with these forms might not know that she and her ex-husband are actually divorced. Her long-term sublet of the apartment might be dependent on the police boss thinking that she's still married to her ex. The lower level police who also live around her know our relationship as I've been there many times...not sure about the big boss. My coming along may be something that confounds all of this. This may become quite interesting/frustrating for us. We will see.

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How long you staying. I would do nothing.

If you need attend immigration then depending on which imm office you deal with you perhaps might still need do nothing. 

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Staying long-term. You mean skip filing the TM28 altogether? Everything I'm seeing posted recently online seems to mean that I have to file a TM28 anytime I am somewhere for more than 24 hours...like when my wife and I will travel to Koh Samui for 5 days soon. I'll have to find the nearest immigration office or police station to file it for all travel over 24 hours. Ugh.

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So upon arrival at her place on this trip, I don't have to file the TM28, but I will have to get the "landlord" to file the TM30 for me, right?

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25 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Staying long-term. You mean skip filing the TM28 altogether? Everything I'm seeing posted recently online seems to mean that I have to file a TM28 anytime I am somewhere for more than 24 hours...like when my wife and I will travel to Koh Samui for 5 days soon. I'll have to find the nearest immigration office or police station to file it for all travel over 24 hours. Ugh.

Been here on Non-O for years.

Forget anything you read on this forum, maintain plausible deniability.

Until someone official hands you instructions on your way in, it doesn't exist.

 

Write your address on the TM6 entry card on arrival as required, job done.

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18 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

So upon arrival at her place on this trip, I don't have to file the TM28, but I will have to get the "landlord" to file the TM30 for me, right?

As I wrote in my post you do not need to worry about any reporting unless you need to do something at a immigration office,

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Okay. I hear you that in my current situation I don't need to file either form. So, in what situation would you need to file one and/or the other? When I go to immigration to file for the marriage visa...would I do it then?

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8 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Okay. I hear you that in my current situation I don't need to file either form. So, in what situation would you need to file one and/or the other? When I go to immigration to file for the marriage visa...would I do it then?

That's a long way in the future, 15 months on your Non-o before then.

Then you could just fly to HCMC and buy another 1 year ME Non-o.

No need to ever see immigration.

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2 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Okay. I hear you that in my current situation I don't need to file either form. So, in what situation would you need to file one and/or the other? When I go to immigration to file for the marriage visa...would I do it then?

Just as an example. I'm on extensions based on retirement (not your situation I realize) ....fly in out Thai every couple of weeks. I don't do tm30. Just prior to my last extension last Oct, I did my first ever tm30. I attended CW and it was not required. 

The whole tm30 thing erupted almost a year back and tm30 was ramped way up.

Folk were being fined. At CW often 800baht for no tm30. 

Personally my 7 years prior to that crazy period I had never filed a tm30.

Things seem to be back to normal. At least at CW.

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14 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Okay. I hear you that in my current situation I don't need to file either form. So, in what situation would you need to file one and/or the other?

In any situation that you would be required to provide proof of address.

For example opening a bank account, purchasing a vehicle, obtaining a Thai driving licence.

Typically either a Work Permit, a Yellow Tabien Baan (foreigners) or a Certificate of Residence from your Immigration office may be requested.

In your situation you'd probably need to obtain a Certificate of residence, which Immigration would refuse to issue until such time as a TM30 had been filed.

21 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

When I go to immigration to file for the marriage visa...would I do it then?

You would be applying for an extension based on marriage, it's a permit, not a Visa.

Your applying to extend your permission of stay.

Yes, a TM30 would need to be filed before Immigration would issue an extension.

 

Your wife's apartment will have a Blue book recording the address, then it records the persons registered as living at that address. If her ex gave her the apartment as part of a divorce settlement, who has the Blue book and who is named as living there?

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OP, you can obtain residence certificate from USA embassy if needed.

As for bank account some banks ask for RC some do not. I recently opened two accounts at Kasikornthai bank without RC.

As for your next extension that is some time off.

Deal with tm30 at some point prior to attending immigration for next extension.

 

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I appreciate the advice. I already have a bank account (went to multiple banks until I found one that would give me an account on a tourist visa one time). I am waiting to apply for the yellow tabien when we move out of BKK. I'll wait until then or when I do the extension to do a TM30.

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