Brexit at last: Britain leaves the EU as champagne corks fly

[smedly]

42 minutes ago, TheDark said:

EU was created as stabilising force for the continent. Good Friday Agreement was created as stabilising force or the island of Ireland. 

Honestly mate you are talking complete tosh - what nationality are you - my guess would be either Irish or German

 

what the EU is - go listen to Verhofstadt's latest outburst in response to UK leaving - he basically wants to remove the ART50 process so that no country can leave - sound familiar, and he is a senior official in Brussels - you could of course say he doesn't represent the voice of the EU - try removing him

 

"No member country should have the option to leave" no "opt-ins - no opt-outs" 

 

 

you believe what you want that is your right - respect the UK and what they decided - it is done now, lets look forward to a good trading relationship 

 

who will be next to leave - my money is on Germany and France - check out "two speed EU" read all about it

Edited February 1, 2020 by smedly

[Loiner]

50 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

Will they be cheering when they're eating chlorinated chicken and hormone fed cattle? 

At least the EU had some pretty good health regulations. 

Lots of nasty things on the horizon. 

Cheering and happily scoffing it in big meaty burgers. If you don't want it, don't buy it - simples. 

Lots of choice on the horizon.

[billd766]

52 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

Will they be cheering when they're eating chlorinated chicken and hormone fed cattle? 

At least the EU had some pretty good health regulations. 

Lots of nasty things on the horizon. 

Has that bill been signed already?

 

Until itIS signed you can write to your MP and explain your reasons for rejecting it. However, until it is signed off it is simply not true so why do state it as a fact?

[Loiner]

57 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

Will they be cheering when they're eating chlorinated chicken and hormone fed cattle? 

At least the EU had some pretty good health regulations. 

Lots of nasty things on the horizon. 

Has anyone ever calculated how many Remainers are also vegans or veggies? I suspect a strong correlation.

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Jonnapat said:

Will they be cheering when they're eating chlorinated chicken and hormone fed cattle? 

At least the EU had some pretty good health regulations. 

Lots of nasty things on the horizon. 

Why this obsession with chlorinated chicken? The country of origin is on all food products sold in the UK. If the UK public don't want to eat chicken from the US they won't buy it! 

The French give us Foie Gras, which is extremely cruel to produce, and extremely unhealthy to eat. I wonder why the wonderful EU haven't banned Foie Gras... ????

[TheDark]

39 minutes ago, smedly said:

Honestly mate you are talking complete tosh - what nationality are you - my guess would be either Irish or German

 

what the EU is - go listen to Verhofstadt's latest outburst in response to UK leaving - he basically wants to remove the ART50 process so that no country can leave - sound familiar, and he is a senior official in Brussels - you could of course say he doesn't represent the voice of the EU - try removing him

 

"No member country should have the option to leave" no "opt-ins - no opt-outs" 

 

 

you believe what you want that is your right - respect the UK and what they decided - it is done now, lets look forward to a good trading relationship 

 

who will be next to leave - my money is on Germany and France - check out "two speed EU" read all about it

I identify myself as European. 

 

Verhofstadt's speeches has been fun to watch. He manages to trigger English boomers even better than Greta does. Simply for saying the blunt truths, which the older generation never used to hear. I know it's far too late for the elderly to change their minds anymore. It's still fun to see veins popping like balloons. 

 

Verhofstadt is the more educated and brighter version of Nigel Farage, who also is kind of pain in the horse for people who wish to have unity among people. So this goes both ways.

 

UK is no longer leaving. UK has now left. Nothing can change that fact.

 

What happens next is going to be far more fun as long as you like a bit darker humour. 

[Thingamabob]

Watch out for treacherous <deleted> undermining transition negotiations, just as they have been doing with the withdrawal agreement for the last 3 years. They have no shame, and will stop at nothing I fear.

[smedly]

What was Germany's objective from 1900-1945 - European military and political domination and failed twice 

 

What is happening in the EU right now - a simple trading block ?

 

Nope

 

Political Domination and now moving towards a military power - the idea of a simple trading block was lost a long time ago

 

Scotland and SNP has nothing to do with the EU - it is an inherent hate for anything English resurrected in Scotland by a "Republican movement" not dissimilar to N.Ireland's republicans, they don't care about the benefits of being in the UK as one nation - they don't tell the truth about what their so called independence would really mean - they would expect the UK to maintain support just as it is now lol

 

The reality is somewhat different, just like the Republic of Ireland they refuse to accept or admit to the benefits they receive - the ROI has a rude awakening coming and quite frankly so does Scotland if they follow the SNP into oblivion 

 

Scotland would take with it a share of total UK debt which they would be paying off for decades - inward investment from the UK would cease - they would not qualify to join the EU - I would await them begging to rejoin the United Kingdom were they belong 

 

Stupid people

[TheDark]

2 minutes ago, JAG said:

You are of course right. It ended some 75 years ago - I believe that the President of The Republic of Ireland marked the event by calling on the German Embassy in Dublin and signing the book of condolence for the death of Adolph Hitler.

Is this what you recall happening with your extensive military background?

[JAG]

3 minutes ago, TheDark said:

Is this what you recall happening with your extensive military background?

Nothing to do with my background whatsoever - it is a well documented event.

 

It was "sawadee" who "mentioned the war".

Edited February 1, 2020 by JAG

[TheDark]

1 minute ago, JAG said:

Nothing to do with my background whatsoever - it is a well documented event.

I'm asking, was it your military superiors, who told you to say the following. 

 

"You are of course right. It ended some 75 years ago - I believe that the President of The Republic of Ireland marked the event by calling on the German Embassy in Dublin and signing the book of condolence for the death of Adolph Hitler."

 

If it's well documented event, please provide proof with context. 

 

[JAG]

Just now, TheDark said:

I'm asking, was it your military superiors, who told you to say the following. 

 

"You are of course right. It ended some 75 years ago - I believe that the President of The Republic of Ireland marked the event by calling on the German Embassy in Dublin and signing the book of condolence for the death of Adolph Hitler."

 

If it's well documented event, please provide proof with context. 

 

!) Don't be silly. I am retired, I don't have any "military superiors".

 

2) Here is a link which refers to the matter: 

https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/de-valera-hitler-the-visit-of-condolence-may-1945/

[TheDark]

52 minutes ago, JAG said:

!) Don't be silly. I am retired, I don't have any "military superiors".

 

2) Here is a link which refers to the matter: 

https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/de-valera-hitler-the-visit-of-condolence-may-1945/

So you were an active member of the UK military force? Can you confirm that?

 

What you implied before was that Irish President had marked the event which happened 75 years ago by signing the book of condolences for the death of Adolph Hitler.

 

"You are of course right. It ended some 75 years ago - I believe that the President of The Republic of Ireland marked the event by calling on the German Embassy in Dublin and signing the book of condolence for the death of Adolph Hitler."

 

Firstly, that event happened 75 years ago. Not today. We have very few real veterans still alive from that period and they are dead against your kind of hatred. 

 

Secondly do not try to mix what happened 75 years ago with what is the reality of today. You probably were not even born 75 years ago and surely are not a WWII veteran. Neither are you most likely even a thinking person with real memories from that time. 

 

Stop abusing the brave men who lived before your time; for your benefit. That's rather disgusting behaviour. If you are a man of honesty, you know not to do so. 

Edited February 1, 2020 by TheDark

[Scott]

Conspiracy troll post reported and removved.  

 

[faraday]

And, yet again, a decent thread, descends into anarchy.

 

Have you no control gentlemen?

[alien365]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Yes we do want it. Particularly HS3 too.
It's the twenty first century and the whole country should benefit from a full high speed rail network. (Even the Scottish part of it!). The current rail network is failing and we all deserve better than tarted-up Victorian remnants. Better sharpen the pencil on the costs though.

Even when the costs were only 30billion no one I spoke to wanted it, lots of protests and petitions though. If the UK could ever complete a job on budget I'd be open to it, but they'll need a bottomless pit of money to complete this to ultimately save some people 20minutes or so.

[crazygreg44]

11 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Brexit is a defining moment for UK and it will also affect the Western world. There is a political war being waged between moral Nationalism (ordinary People) and progressive Globalism (Elites).  Brexit is a huge win for the ordinary People.  Trump being re-elected in 2020 will be another.  There are so many things wrong in the western world after 3 decades of progressive Globalism policies, that it will take at least a decade to redress them all.  Brexit is a big part of the changes that are coming.

 

I disagree with you in one point:  Never in anyone's life time we shall be able to fix it - or "redress" it, as you call it

Edited February 1, 2020 by crazygreg44

[White Christmas13]

It didn't take long to rub of Britain from the EU map.

[TheDark]

13 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

It didn't take long to rub of Britain from the EU map.

What are you talking about? What is Britain?

[sharksy]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

What was Germany's objective from 1900-1945 - European military and political domination and failed twice 

 

What is happening in the EU right now - a simple trading block ?

 

Nope

 

Political Domination and now moving towards a military power - the idea of a simple trading block was lost a long time ago

 

Scotland and SNP has nothing to do with the EU - it is an inherent hate for anything English resurrected in Scotland by a "Republican movement" not dissimilar to N.Ireland's republicans, they don't care about the benefits of being in the UK as one nation - they don't tell the truth about what their so called independence would really mean - they would expect the UK to maintain support just as it is now lol

 

The reality is somewhat different, just like the Republic of Ireland they refuse to accept or admit to the benefits they receive - the ROI has a rude awakening coming and quite frankly so does Scotland if they follow the SNP into oblivion 

 

Scotland would take with it a share of total UK debt which they would be paying off for decades - inward investment from the UK would cease - they would not qualify to join the EU - I would await them begging to rejoin the United Kingdom were they belong 

 

Stupid people

This is just so true, brilliant post

[7by7]

11 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Total tosh. Remainer's did everything possible not to abide by the referendum. They made the UK out to be a laughing stock. If it wasn't for the general election you'd still be trying to get a second referendum by hook or by crook. 

 

The general election?

 

Do you mean the last one in which 52.4% of the vote went to parties who, at the very least, promised a referendum on any final deal? That's a larger percentage than voted Leave in 2016!

 

The election in which the Tories only increased their share of the vote by a mere 1.2%, from 42.4% to 43.6%, but increased their share of seats by 10.5% from 45.7% (297)* to 56.2% (365)? 

 

Cummings knew he was being painted into a corner by the increased demands for a referendum on any deal; a referendum he knew he would probably lose. But he's a canny performer, and he knew that Labour under Corbyn had no chance of winning a general election, so he told his puppet Johnson to call one.

 

As he thought, our first past the post system meant that, despite more people voting against him than for him, he won and the desire of the majority for a referendum on the deal being taken into account by him and his puppet are now zero.

 

Maybe the majority of the 52.4% who want a referendum would have voted for Cummings' deal.  We will now never know as our voices have been silenced by the first past the post system; just as Cummings hoped they would be.

 

Still, we only have ourselves to blame. We had the chance to change to a fairer, more representative system in 2011, but voted against so doing.

 

*318 Tory MPs were elected in 2017, but in September 2019 Johnson expelled 21 of them from the party.

[7by7]

9 hours ago, billd766 said:

Now the UK is being threatened by some countries within the EU that dire retribution will follow if the UK dares to be different and not toe the EU line.

 Brexiteer outrage because the EU have said we can't leave the club yet still enjoy all the benefits of membership!

[7by7]

5 hours ago, alien365 said:

The North doesn't want it (HS2), so fingers crossed Boris will do the right thing.

Any evidence to back that up? 

 

I ask, because that's not what's being said here in the UK.

 

Just one recent example: 

Quote

"We need HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail delivered together, in full," said the leader of Manchester City Council Sir Richard Leese, part of the Connecting Britain campaign.

 

 

[7by7]

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

he French give us Foie Gras, which is extremely cruel to produce, and extremely unhealthy to eat. I wonder why the wonderful EU haven't banned Foie Gras..

 I wonder why you don't check facts. A 1998 EU report came out heavily against it's production, and it is illegal under EU regulations. 

 

Although it's banned in most EU member states, the French ignore the ban and have several lawsuits against them pending in the ECJ because of this.

 

But I assume any Brexiteer would want the French to tell the EU and ECJ where they can stick their rulings!

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, sharksy said:

This is just so true, brilliant post

I see,

so you and this Smedly character totally agree that jocks are stupid people

 

good to learn

 

[Nigel Garvie]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

<snip>

Scotland and SNP has nothing to do with the EU - it is an inherent hate for anything English resurrected in Scotland by a "Republican movement" not dissimilar to N.Ireland's republicans, they don't care about the benefits of being in the UK as one nation - they don't tell the truth about what their so called independence would really mean - they would expect the UK to maintain support just as it is now lol

 

The reality is somewhat different, just like the Republic of Ireland they refuse to accept or admit to the benefits they receive - the ROI has a rude awakening coming and quite frankly so does Scotland if they follow the SNP into oblivion 

 

Scotland would take with it a share of total UK debt which they would be paying off for decades - inward investment from the UK would cease - they would not qualify to join the EU - I would await them begging to rejoin the United Kingdom were they belong 

 

Stupid people

I can't remember reading such an ill informed load of distorted garbage for a long time. Served up in a sauce of mindless petty aggression, to boot. 

 

It is tragic that any person or country should be so self centred that they only see other peoples behaviour and viewpoint as a reaction to their own. Scotland is friends with the EU which many of us see as being much more civilised in it's outlook than an England ruled by a bunch of selfish toffs. 

Many people in Scotland - a majority going by the latest polls - simply want to go their own way. It is nothing to do with inherent hate of the English. We don't give a tinkers cuss about you one way or the other. Your sad inward looking form of nationalism, has become a self-regarding obsession, which is acutely boring to us.

 

"The reality is somewhat different, just like the Republic of Ireland they refuse to accept or admit to the benefits they receive".  They trade with you, they are not in receipt of benefits, 

 

"the ROI has a rude awakening coming and quite frankly so does Scotland if they follow the SNP into oblivion".

Oh dear, you hate the Irish as well.

ROI has been doing rather well lately, maybe you haven't noticed. This rude awakening you feel they deserve has been a long time coming, nearly 100 years in fact. Odd that they feel no desire to rejoin the glorious motherland. Possibly killing a large number of their people who wanted freedom didn't endear you to them. Some people are strange like that.

 

I must be one of your "Stupid people". I would be astonished if Scotland, like every other part of the empire that has gained independence, ever begged to rejoin England. 

[nauseus]

11 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Well, that's inappropriate language. There hasn't been any war. 

And also in modern history UK isn't any more a great nation but governed by weirdos and misfits.

Very similar to Thailand ????

Weirdos and misfits maybe, but they are our weirdos and misfits, not EU appointed and unaccountable weirdos and misfits.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, TheDark said:

I'm sure people who live in the past glory days, will think in that way. After all It was Europeans who conquered and abused people around the world. There was even one country, which boasted its power and huge occupied territories saying that the Sun never sets on her land. 

 

Then there were the Portuguese, the Spanish, Duch and the Germans all wishing to extend their territories and power over others. 

 

EU was created as stabilising force for the continent. Good Friday Agreement was created as stabilising force or the island of Ireland. 

 

UK broke both of her promises of peace. That's not easily forgotten by any party in the world.

 

 

Agonising nonsense.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, TheDark said:

I identify myself as European. 

 

Verhofstadt's speeches has been fun to watch. He manages to trigger English boomers even better than Greta does. Simply for saying the blunt truths, which the older generation never used to hear. I know it's far too late for the elderly to change their minds anymore. It's still fun to see veins popping like balloons. 

 

Verhofstadt is the more educated and brighter version of Nigel Farage, who also is kind of pain in the horse for people who wish to have unity among people. So this goes both ways.

 

UK is no longer leaving. UK has now left. Nothing can change that fact.

 

What happens next is going to be far more fun as long as you like a bit darker humour. 

 

Verhofstadt couldn't trigger a water pistol and his name will disappear into history as quick as a flea fart.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, TheDark said:

So you were an active member of the UK military force? Can you confirm that?

 

What you implied before was that Irish President had marked the event which happened 75 years ago by signing the book of condolences for the death of Adolph Hitler.

 

"You are of course right. It ended some 75 years ago - I believe that the President of The Republic of Ireland marked the event by calling on the German Embassy in Dublin and signing the book of condolence for the death of Adolph Hitler."

 

Firstly, that event happened 75 years ago. Not today. We have very few real veterans still alive from that period and they are dead against your kind of hatred. 

 

Secondly do not try to mix what happened 75 years ago with what is the reality of today. You probably were not even born 75 years ago and surely are not a WWII veteran. Neither are you most likely even a thinking person with real memories from that time. 

 

Stop abusing the brave men who lived before your time; for your benefit. That's rather disgusting behaviour. If you are a man of honesty, you know not to do so. 

The disgusting behaviour is all coming from you.