Brexit at last: Britain leaves the EU as champagne corks fly

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

The general election?

 

Do you mean the last one in which 52.4% of the vote went to parties who, at the very least, promised a referendum on any final deal? That's a larger percentage than voted Leave in 2016!

 

The election in which the Tories only increased their share of the vote by a mere 1.2%, from 42.4% to 43.6%, but increased their share of seats by 10.5% from 45.7% (297)* to 56.2% (365)? 

 

Cummings knew he was being painted into a corner by the increased demands for a referendum on any deal; a referendum he knew he would probably lose. But he's a canny performer, and he knew that Labour under Corbyn had no chance of winning a general election, so he told his puppet Johnson to call one.

 

As he thought, our first past the post system meant that, despite more people voting against him than for him, he won and the desire of the majority for a referendum on the deal being taken into account by him and his puppet are now zero.

 

Maybe the majority of the 52.4% who want a referendum would have voted for Cummings' deal.  We will now never know as our voices have been silenced by the first past the post system; just as Cummings hoped they would be.

 

Still, we only have ourselves to blame. We had the chance to change to a fairer, more representative system in 2011, but voted against so doing.

 

*318 Tory MPs were elected in 2017, but in September 2019 Johnson expelled 21 of them from the party.

Oh my, it must be the weekend again. 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 I wonder why you don't check facts. A 1998 EU report came out heavily against it's production, and it is illegal under EU regulations. 

 

Although it's banned in most EU member states, the French ignore the ban and have several lawsuits against them pending in the ECJ because of this.

 

But I assume any Brexiteer would want the French to tell the EU and ECJ where they can stick their rulings!

As far as I can see, Foie Gras is not illegal under EU regulations.  Where did you get that from? 

Several European countries have unilaterally banned the PRODUCTION of Foie Gras. But the French still export it. 

 

So, can you help me check my facts please? 

 

 

This report doesn't suggest any EU ban in 1998:

https://stop-foie-gras.com/en/action-petition-cage-foie-gras

[smedly]

5 hours ago, sharksy said:

This is just so true, brilliant post

Thank you - it really is the truth

 

I love Europe, I have many friends from Europe, we need to all get on and trade together, unfortunately there are power hungry elements that might stand in the way of that - that is the sad part of this whole thing, very sad really - human nature will prevail which means there are dire times ahead - I hope this is not true but I would not like to put money on it

 

As for the UK, our true and only ally has and always will be the USA - a bond that cannot be replaced to the East, lets hope that common sense prevails

 

when you look at what the UK now wants it is not that far removed from what we had in 1973 - a good trading relationship with our European neighbours, somehow I cannot see that happening, power and greed has taken over the EU and bitter resentment is floating to the surface - human nature - our dark history is full of it

 

Have we changed ?

 

nope

[smedly]

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

I see,

so you and this Smedly character totally agree that jocks are stupid people

 

good to learn

 

I love Scottish people - I am not from England BTW 

 

but you need to look very carefully were the republican SNP are taking you - it is a fantasy utopia by power mungers in your assembly 

 

you need to start asking them probing questions - I haven't really heard any of that so far, take a look around you - roads, hospitals, schools, universities, motorways, general infrastructure, industry, shipbuilding - you think it is all an illusion 

 

want to compare it with a similar sized country and similar population - the Republic of Ireland - they have one NHS class hospital in the whole of the ROI in Dublin - they actually use our NHS facilities in the North and mainland UK because their whole country is still in the dark ages, here is a stark reality - if there was a United Ireland tomorrow the ROI could not afford to run it - you want to leave the UK - yes that is stupid - I am not saying the Scottish people are Stupid I am saying the idea is stupid - take a long hard look at what you have and how it got there

 

but hey go for it

[smedly]

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Brexiteer outrage because the EU have said we can't leave the club yet still enjoy all the benefits of membership!

membership was the common market - that is what we joined 

[smedly]

listen to someone that knows

 

 

 

 

[smedly]

3 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I can't remember reading such an ill informed load of distorted garbage for a long time. Served up in a sauce of mindless petty aggression, to boot.

go for it

 

if you hate the UK people so much Germany is waiting - well actually they are not

 

 

go off on your own Scotland - I really do look forward to seeing how that works out

 

we are better together but hey you know best

 

don't forget to pay your share of UK debt at 10billion a year for the next 20 years 

 

I don't think Scottish people are stupid except for a few - Maybe William Wallace will be along to lead you to utopia or Mel Gibson 

 

I reckon right now if there was a referendum in the rest of the UK to expel Scotland it would have a huge majority - we are sick listening to the constant hate and winging 

 

I could now use two rude words but I won't - if you love your EU so much then go there - consider yourself evicted

 

no more handouts 

[melvinmelvin]

20 minutes ago, smedly said:

go for it

 

if you hate the UK people so much Germany is waiting - well actually they are not

 

 

go off on your own Scotland - I really do look forward to seeing how that works out

 

we are better together but hey you know best

 

don't forget to pay your share of UK debt at 10billion a year for the next 20 years 

 

I don't think Scottish people are stupid except for a few - Maybe William Wallace will be along to lead you to utopia or Mel Gibson 

 

I reckon right now if there was a referendum in the rest of the UK to expel Scotland it would have a huge majority - we are sick listening to the constant hate and winging 

 

I could now use two rude words but I won't - if you love your EU so much then go there - consider yourself evicted

 

no more handouts 

 

guess the corona virus has attacked your brain, you sound pretty reduced mentally

 

 

[Orton Rd]

18 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I am not from the UK, although it seems most on TV are.

I do not understand how this is good for anything.

Other then I guess some self chest pumping independence.

Just saying, the economic issues with this have already taken effect which are mostly negative for the UK.

Jobs, trade, inflation, etc. you name it will be big issues in the future it seems.  It will probably affect your kids and grandkids more then anyone else.

Anyway,  good luck with it just have to wait and see I guess hope it all does not create any future frozen pensions.

Good for the simple fact we will get control of our own country back from un elected EU commissioners, or commissar bureaucrats and save ourselves a billion quid a month as a bonus. Freedom from the EU is worth a few trading problems, the EU is an anti democratic corrupt dictatorship.

[smedly]

19-12 Ireland Scotland

 

and Wales played a blinder

[smedly]

4 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Good for the simple fact we will get control of our own country back from un elected EU commissioners, or commissar bureaucrats and save ourselves a billion quid a month as a bonus. Freedom from the EU is worth a few trading problems, the EU is an anti democratic corrupt dictatorship.

worth mentioning it didn't start like that

 

we are now attempting to join what we joined in 1973 - the common market

 

If they don't accept that with a 93b deficit in the EU's favour then they can stick it 

[luckyluke]

It won't be easy in my opinion. 

There are many who vote for what they thought Brexit will represent in first instance (getting rid of some people, stopping some people to come in). 

They expect embodiment now. 

Not sure every of them can/will understand that nothing can/will be undertaken this year. 

 

 

 

[howbri]

20 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Brexit is a defining moment for UK and it will also affect the Western world. There is a political war being waged between moral Nationalism (ordinary People) and progressive Globalism (Elites).  Brexit is a huge win for the ordinary People.  Trump being re-elected in 2020 will be another.  There are so many things wrong in the western world after 3 decades of progressive Globalism policies, that it will take at least a decade to redress them all.  Brexit is a big part of the changes that are coming.

 

Amen to that. The tyranny of the left is being demolished by patriotic and nation loving people starting with POTUS Trump and now Johnson. God bless the patriots and down with the communist globalists.

[ThaiBunny]

9 minutes ago, howbri said:

Amen to that. The tyranny of the left is being demolished by patriotic and nation loving people starting with POTUS Trump and now Johnson. God bless the patriots and down with the communist globalists.

You're sure you don't want to include the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as well?

[izod10]

18 hours ago, TheDark said:

The battle for Scotland has begun. EU left the light on for Scotland.

 

Agree   

  England for beauty

  ireland for wit

  Wales for deceit 

 .....and Scotland for ....

[evadgib]

39 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Agree   

  England for beauty

  ireland for wit

  Wales for deceit 

 .....and Scotland for ....

Sour grapes ????

[vogie]

54 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Agree   

  England for beauty

  ireland for wit

  Wales for deceit 

 .....and Scotland for ....

The Welsh are the only true Brits.

[Number 6]

Congratulations UK. Masters of your own destiny once again.

 

To the Remainers: watch closely none of the drama people were scared into believing will happen. None.

 

If Scots want to go - as Britain, up to them.

Edited February 2, 2020 by Number 6

[Logosone]

19 hours ago, smedly said:

 

The truth of the matter is we joined the common market but the power hungry (Germany) got out of control -

 

 

Well done pandering to out-dated anti German stereotypes. The truth is exactly the opposite. There is no country that is less power-hungry than Germany. Precisely because Germany was happy to morph into Europe did this happen, freedom to travel.

 

The real reason you British exited Europe was because you didn't like the number of Polish, Romanian and other East European immigrants.  Not because Germany is 'power hungry'. Quite the opposite, Germany diverted millions of its taxpayer money to save bankrupt Greece, build motorways in Poland, and the like.

 

It is of course YOU, the British, who are power hungry. You have old antiquated notions of being a world power, and want to negotiate your own trade deals, stop immigrants from Poland and Romania coming in.

 

You exited Europe because you don't want immigrants.  A small contingent of xenophobes swung the referundum in favour of little Englanders. 

 

If you manage to break up the EU, you will then see a resurgence of power hungry Germans who pursue their own national interest in an unbridled orgy of abandon and patriotic fervour, the way you British do. This small-minded nationalist and patriotic fervour is frowned upon in Germany now.

[Scott]

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[Logosone]

56 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Deutsche Mark banknotes were issued by the Deutsche Bundesbank. They became obsolete in 2002 when they were replaced by the Euro. D-Marks are no longer a valid means of payment in Germany. However, we continue to exchange pre-Euro German Mark banknotes for cash.

 

   Yeah right.  Not much change there then

 

  As stated  cheap cheap currency for Germany in EU,things are a-changin' tho  No 93 billion deficit for UK,especially with Germany as main benefactor  Krautland about to go kaput

Just repeating nonsense does not make it any more true.

 

Germany has a much larger population than the UK. Germany will ALWAYS be more powerful, economically speaking, than the UK. 

[transam]

20 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Just repeating nonsense does not make it any more true.

 

Germany has a much larger population than the UK. Germany will ALWAYS be more powerful, economically speaking, than the UK. 

So has India....????

[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

So has India....????

Unlike Germany, India is a developing nation. And its economic prospects make those of Britain look like dog excrement, frankly.

 

Even with a largely agricultural population India's GDP is still roughly the same as the UK's.

 

Once India overcomes the decades of British theft and exploitation there is absolutely no doubt that India's economy will overtake Britain's by a long distance. Most likely in our lifetime.

Edited February 2, 2020 by Logosone

[Jip99]

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Unlike Germany, India is a developing nation. And its economic prospects make those of Britain look like dog excrement, frankly.

 

Even with a largely agricultural population India's GDP is still roughly the same as the UK's.

 

Once India overcomes the decades of British theft and exploitation there is absolutely no doubt that India's economy will overtake Britain's by a long distance. Most likely in our lifetime.

 

You do talk cr4p...

[Logosone]

14 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

You do talk cr4p...

No, I don't think so. India's GDP is already on a par with the UK, given its much younger population its prospects far surpass those of the UK. From 2014 to 2018, India was the world's fastest growing major economy, surpassing China. Compared to India's future economic prospects Britain looks like a decrepit, has-been.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India

 

The UK does not have a powerful auto-industry, and like a third world country is dependent on more powerful economies like Germany and Japan and the US building plants to feed its people. Let us not forget it was Tata of India that bought Jaguar and owns this British car manufacturer now.

 

That's right, Indians now own Jaguar.

 

In fact the UK has no real manufacturing of any note, it lives off its financial services sector, which with Brexit has already bled talent to Europe, including Frankfurt and Paris, and has lost significance. 

 

Ironically, the only thing that saved the London Stock Exchange from being taken over by the Deutsche Boerse AG was EU Competition law. If not for that the London stock Exchange would now be in German hands.

 

If one compares not only the populations of the UK and Germany, but also their manufacturing base, Germany, with its precision instruments and machinery, robots, car industry, chemistry giants is a powerhouse that the UK can never hope to match. All the UK has is financial services and oil companies. And the price of oil is plumetting as we speak.

 

The UK, overfed from centuries of stealing from other nations is now, in its naked state and cut off from Japanese and German invesetment an economic disaster waiting to happen.

Edited February 2, 2020 by Logosone

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Number 6 said:

Congratulations UK. Masters of your own destiny once again.

 

To the Remainers: watch closely none of the drama people were scared into believing will happen. None.

 

If Scots want to go - as Britain, up to them.

Who is number one?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Well done pandering to out-dated anti German stereotypes. The truth is exactly the opposite. There is no country that is less power-hungry than Germany. Precisely because Germany was happy to morph into Europe did this happen, freedom to travel.

 

The real reason you British exited Europe was because you didn't like the number of Polish, Romanian and other East European immigrants.  Not because Germany is 'power hungry'. Quite the opposite, Germany diverted millions of its taxpayer money to save bankrupt Greece, build motorways in Poland, and the like.

 

It is of course YOU, the British, who are power hungry. You have old antiquated notions of being a world power, and want to negotiate your own trade deals, stop immigrants from Poland and Romania coming in.

 

You exited Europe because you don't want immigrants.  A small contingent of xenophobes swung the referundum in favour of little Englanders. 

 

If you manage to break up the EU, you will then see a resurgence of power hungry Germans who pursue their own national interest in an unbridled orgy of abandon and patriotic fervour, the way you British do. This small-minded nationalist and patriotic fervour is frowned upon in Germany now.

The UK left the EU, not Europe. The movement to leave began long before significant immigration from Europe.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

You'll find the Deutsche Mark was considerably cheaper than the Euro. I'm not sure I can make out any other argument from this confused garble of gibberish. 

But it looks like you are fluent in it?

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Well done pandering to out-dated anti German stereotypes. The truth is exactly the opposite. There is no country that is less power-hungry than Germany. Precisely because Germany was happy to morph into Europe did this happen, freedom to travel.

 

The real reason you British exited Europe was because you didn't like the number of Polish, Romanian and other East European immigrants.  Not because Germany is 'power hungry'. Quite the opposite, Germany diverted millions of its taxpayer money to save bankrupt Greece, build motorways in Poland, and the like.

 

It is of course YOU, the British, who are power hungry. You have old antiquated notions of being a world power, and want to negotiate your own trade deals, stop immigrants from Poland and Romania coming in.

 

You exited Europe because you don't want immigrants.  A small contingent of xenophobes swung the referundum in favour of little Englanders. 

 

If you manage to break up the EU, you will then see a resurgence of power hungry Germans who pursue their own national interest in an unbridled orgy of abandon and patriotic fervour, the way you British do. This small-minded nationalist and patriotic fervour is frowned upon in Germany now.

Not all ????????????????????????????'s are short-arrses and quite a few have lived in and ❤️ ????????.   ???????? has only left ???????? .

 

Have you considered how many of your alleged xenophobes (on these boards) are happily married outside their culture and/or religion...?

 

Edited February 2, 2020 by evadgib

[Logosone]

26 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 The movement to leave began long before significant immigration from Europe.

The campaign to leave the EU relied on rhetoric against immigration and for hardening or "regaining control" of borders.

 

To deny that is disingenous and hypocritical.

 

According to most economists, EU membership has a strong positive effect on trade and, as a result, the UK's trade would be worse off if it left the EU. According to a study by University of Cambridge economists, under a hard Brexit, whereby the UK reverts to WTO rules, one-third of UK exports to the EU would be tariff-free, one-quarter would face high trade barriers and other exports risk tariffs in the range of 1–10%.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit

 

You have to be overly concerned about Poles, to want to forego the economic benefits of EU membership, just to stop Poles coming to Britain, surely.

 

In January 2018, the UK government's own Brexit analysis was leaked; it showed that UK economic growth would be stunted by 2–8% for at least 15 years following Brexit, depending on the leave scenario.

Edited February 2, 2020 by Logosone