Brexit at last: Britain leaves the EU as champagne corks fly

[izod10]

Just now, Logosone said:

So much for 'power-hungry' and all dominant Germany. 

 

If Germany controls the EU, pray tell why could the German stock exchange not have its takeover of the LSE waived through by EU competition technocrats?

 

Germany has given away power to the EU, ie other EU member states. It allowed France, Netherlands et al to decide if a German stock exchange can take over the LSE.

 

How is that power-hungry?

So what?  listen to some good music   Ted Heath and the swing band   right up your street

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Matters not one bit sunshine,really does not. The UK now is master of its own destiny,and reading reports just this day, Honda a considering starting up manufacturing in UK, your beloved India ,now facing a certain decline living standards ,  proposes giving work for 100 days per year to the unemployed...digging holes and filling them in again, EU panic stricken        Now who gives a toss about Germany   (is it now firmly in recession)   France too,  all going tits up

 

  Relax sunshine,listen to a bit of Ted Heaths swing band,

Russ Conway's   sidesaddle  you will enjoy it  most definitely

 

Hilarious, just as the UK postures and is about to sit down with the EU to gain access to the vital EU market you, in all seriousness proclaim that the UK is now 'master of its own destiny'. 

 

I'm afraid not. I'm afraid the UK is very much constrained by the geo-political realities and financial realities that surround it.

 

The UK is not even master of its own economy, let alone its own destiny. Every year the UK has to go cap in hand to the financial markets, including Germany, the US and Japan to beg for the money it needs to pay the handouts it pays to its old age pensioners, unemployed and the NHS. Are you even aware that UK taxes do not even suffice to pay OAPs their pensions?

 

How was the UK less master of its own destiny a few weeks ago than it is now? It's a preposterous argument.

Edited February 3, 2020 by Logosone

[whatsupdoc]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

As you seem to delight in trashing the UK at every opportunity, I think it's only fair if you tell us where you come from.  I mean, for you to be so critical, your country must be a pretty amazing place with a booming economy, and a glittering history. I'm genuinely curious. 

Amazing places with a booming economy and a glittering history? Germany, The Netherlands, Scandinavian countries..... Actually, quite a lot that are doing better than the UK. But keep thinking that the UK is a glorious empire instead of a small to medium sized country if that makes you happy.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

Amazing places with a booming economy and a glittering history? Germany, The Netherlands, Scandinavian countries..... Actually, quite a lot that are doing better than the UK. But keep thinking that the UK is a glorious empire instead of a small to medium sized country if that makes you happy.

Oh I think Belgiums empire could put ours to shame, don't you.????

[elliss]

On 2/1/2020 at 11:26 AM, transam said:

 

 

     Was Prince Andrew there  ...

 

[Logosone]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Oh I think Belgiums empire could put ours to shame, don't you.????

Umm, the British don't have an empire anymore.

 

Not that shooting natives holding spears with Gatling guns is any kind of achievement.

 

I do agree with the previous poster, the economic miracle of Germany is far more impressive than violent theft from unarmed natives.

 

 

[izod10]

8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Umm, the British don't have an empire anymore.

 

Not that shooting natives holding spears with Gatling guns is any kind of achievement.

 

I do agree with the previous poster, the economic miracle of Germany is far more impressive than violent theft from unarmed natives.

 

 

Nobody gives a toss sunshine,cup of cocoa,carpet slippers on and relax  listening to Russ Conway's   Sidesaddle   wonderful  all thought of Berlin Brussels wherever forgotten

  Did Ted Heaths swing band ever play at Berlin Stock exchange?

[vogie]

25 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Umm, the British don't have an empire anymore.

 

Not that shooting natives holding spears with Gatling guns is any kind of achievement.

 

I do agree with the previous poster, the economic miracle of Germany is far more impressive than violent theft from unarmed natives.

 

 

I just find it strange that just 1 hour after the UK exited the EU 'The Maldives' decided to rejoin the Commonwealth, now for the life in me, I just cannot imagine The Belgium Congo doing the same with Belgium, can you?????

 

And whilst we are on the subject, anyone on here that dares to mention events that occured about 75 years ago is sent to the naughty step, yet some people of a different opinion seem to think it is ok to go back 300 years, now don't you find that strange and some would say a tad hypocritical.

[bannork]

17 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Nobody gives a toss sunshine,cup of cocoa,carpet slippers on and relax  listening to Russ Conway's   Sidesaddle   wonderful  all thought of Berlin Brussels wherever forgotten

  Did Ted Heaths swing band ever play at Berlin Stock exchange?

You must give a toss to reply, sunshine.

 

[7by7]

2 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Do you think he is another reincarnation.... ?

 

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Has to be.

 

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Nah, This is the original (t'othermun fell flat) ????

 

The Brexiteer clique think they have sussed out that the multitudinous posts against their beliefs all come from one person using multiple personalities!

 

Such a preposterous claim is much easier for them to make than actually attempting to come with counter arguments. Which, to be fair, is impossible when they are presented with irrefutable facts.

[CG1 Blue]

47 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Umm, the British don't have an empire anymore.

 

Not that shooting natives holding spears with Gatling guns is any kind of achievement.

 

I do agree with the previous poster, the economic miracle of Germany is far more impressive than violent theft from unarmed natives.

 

 

Did you really just mention Britain's past empire building atrocities and then talk about the 'miracle of Germany'? That is cherry picking of the highest order! 

Quite scary actually, that you can be so selective. It possibly explains your animosity toward the UK though. 

[7by7]

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

I just find it strange that just 1 hour after the UK exited the EU 'The Maldives' decided to rejoin the Commonwealth, 

 

Dear, oh dear; the straws you are having to clutch!

 

Maldives rejoins Commonwealth after leaving over human rights record

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The republic quit the Commonwealth in 2016 after being threatened with suspension over its human rights record and lack of progress on democratic reform.

President Ibrahim “Ibu” Mohamed Solih, a campaigner for democracy during decades of autocratic rule who was elected in 2018, pledged change and swiftly applied to rejoin.

The island nation has been readmitted after showing evidence of functioning democratic processes and popular support for being part of the family of nations.

 

That it's application for readmittance came into effect on 1st February 2020 is pure coincidence.

[izod10]

57 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Umm, the British don't have an empire anymore.

 

Not that shooting natives holding spears with Gatling guns is any kind of achievement.

 

I do agree with the previous poster, the economic miracle of Germany is far more impressive than violent theft from unarmed natives.

 

 

• Germany has avoided recession. Europe’s largest economy grew by 0.1% in the third quarter of 2019, defying expectations of a second small contraction in a row.
  
  Household consumption, government spending and exports all drove growth, but the factory sector continues to struggle. Experts fear 2020 will be tough.
   
• Berlin is resisting pressure for fresh stimulus measures. Finance minister Olaf Scholz says Germany isn’t in a crisis, but ought to be growing faster.
   
• Today’s data put Germany below the UK, the US and France on the global growth league. Japan is also struggling, with growth dropping to just 0.1%
   
• IMF state UKs economy overtakes Germany in 5 to 10 year timeframe.....
• .... But wot about Ted?

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The Brexiteer clique think they have sussed out that the multitudinous posts against their beliefs all come from one person using multiple personalities!

 

Such a preposterous claim is much easier for them to make than actually attempting to come with counter arguments. Which, to be fair, is impossible when they are presented with irrefutable facts.

They were officially disbanded last week & have been replaced by a clique of rejoiners. Several went as far as to purge their iggy lists as they were no longer relevant. I'm so glad this brexit lark is over and that common sence & the sovereignty of the people prevailed.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Dear, oh dear; the straws you are having to clutch!

 

Maldives rejoins Commonwealth after leaving over human rights record

 

That it's application for readmittance came into effect on 1st February 2020 is pure coincidence

What was Belgiums humans rights like with the indigeous people of the Congo? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

Why do posters want to drag British Empire into a discussion that happened 300 years ago, this is a thread is about Britain exiting the EU. Stop all this anti Britain nonsense, we are leaving, end of.

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

13 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Dear, oh dear; the straws you are having to clutch!

 

Maldives rejoins Commonwealth after leaving over human rights record

 

That it's application for readmittance came into effect on 1st February 2020 is pure coincidence

What was Belgiums humans rights like with the indigeous people of the Congo? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

Why do posters want to drag British Empire into a discussion that happened 300 years ago, this is a thread is about Britain exiting the EU. Stop all this anti Britain nonsense, we are leaving, end of.

 What has the Belgian Congo got to do with your pathetic attempt to claim Brexit was responsible for The Maldives readmission to the Commonwealth?

 

You were the one who introduced the Belgian Empire in general and Congo in particular to this topic, were you not?

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 What has the Belgian Congo got to do with your pathetic attempt to claim Brexit was responsible for The Maldives readmission to the Commonwealth?

 

You were the one who introduced the Belgian Empire in general and Congo in particular to this topic, were you not?

Read posts prior to that and you may comprehend, my last post to you BTW.

[7by7]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Read posts prior to that and you may comprehend, my last post to you BTW.

I have, and I also pay attention to world events. Which is how I know your post was a pathetic attempt to lay the credit for The Maldives rejoining the Commonwealth on Brexit, when it in reality had nothing to do with it.

 

I also know from reading previous posts that it was you who introduced the Belgian Empire and Belgian Congo into the topic for no apparent reason other than a dig at other posters.

[TheDark]

52 minutes ago, vogie said:

I just find it strange that just 1 hour after the UK exited the EU 'The Maldives' decided to rejoin the Commonwealth, now for the life in me, I just cannot imagine The Belgium Congo doing the same with Belgium, can you?????

 

Was it the same Maldives, which was featured earlier this year here?

 

"'We can't wait': Maldives desperate for funds as islands risk going under"

 

Sounds like they have sniffed an opportunity within Commonwealth.  

 

 

[Logosone]

A fitting metaphor, the Maldives, for the not-so-great Britain. An island that risks to go under.

 

Exactly the same fate awaits not-so-great Britain. Your economy is massively in debt, against all your efforts your manufacturing output has over the last 30 years been reduced by two thirds, Italy and India produce more than the UK now.

 

And you have a Prime Minister who announces to the world proudly that economics takes a back seat to utterly childish Union Jack waving.

 

What could go wrong? ????

[TheDark]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

A fitting metaphor, the Maldives, for the not-so-great Britain. An island that risks to go under.

 

Exactly the same fate awaits not-so-great Britain. Your economy is massively in debt, against all your efforts your manufacturing output has over the last 30 years been reduced by two thirds, Italy and India produce more than the UK now.

 

And you have a Prime Minister who announces to the world proudly that economics takes a back seat to utterly childish Union Jack waving.

 

What could go wrong? ????

I'll modify the previous topic.

 

"'We can't wait': England desperate for funds as islands risk going under"

It's a bit sad that it had to go this way, but perhaps English arrogance tunes down a tone or two after few years of isolation. 

 

One can yell as much as he wants inside a nationalistic bubble. After the tantrum has passed, it's time to once again, talk like adults. 

 

At least Scotland has been responsible adult over these painful few years. 

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

 

The Brexiteer clique think they have sussed out that the multitudinous posts against their beliefs all come from one person using multiple personalities!

 

Such a preposterous claim is much easier for them to make than actually attempting to come with counter arguments. Which, to be fair, is impossible when they are presented with irrefutable facts.

 

A typical remain-voting retort..... the comment was actually based on the surprising intensity of a member who only surfaced late in November...

Edited February 3, 2020 by Jip99

[Logosone]

What will no doubt happen is that in round about 2030, when the elderly contingent that wears Union Jack Pyjamas at night and dislikes Poles so much they'd rather live poorer (your own governments' analysis, not mine) has abdicated, Great Britain will get a Labour government at some point that will promise a second referendum. Britain will then, in dire economic straits, re-apply for EU membership once again.

 

Scotland will long have made the sensible choice and left the UK to be part of the EU.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

A typical <deleted> retort..... the comment was actually based on the surprising intensity of a member who only surfaced late in November...

 Whatever, the comment has certainly struck a nerve with both you and @evadgib!

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

What will no doubt happen is that in round about 2030, when the elderly contingent that wears Union Jack Pyjamas at night and dislikes Poles so much they'd rather live poorer (your own governments' analysis, not mine) has abdicated, Great Britain will get a Labour government at some point that will promise a second referendum. Britain will then, in dire economic straits, re-apply for EU membership once again.

 

Scotland will long have made the sensible choice and left the UK to be part of the EU.

 And the Unionists in Northern Ireland, having been betrayed and cut off from the rest of the UK by Cummings' border down the Irish Sea, will have decided they're better of with the RoI who wants them rather than a UK which sees them just as political pawns and lobby fodder.

[gearbox]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

A fitting metaphor, the Maldives, for the not-so-great Britain. An island that risks to go under.

 

Exactly the same fate awaits not-so-great Britain. Your economy is massively in debt, against all your efforts your manufacturing output has over the last 30 years been reduced by two thirds, Italy and India produce more than the UK now.

 

And you have a Prime Minister who announces to the world proudly that economics takes a back seat to utterly childish Union Jack waving.

 

What could go wrong? ????

The UK manufacturing (and others) declined due to the rising East Asian economic powerhouses. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, now China and later Vietnam. This process is going to accelerate further as the huge domestic market gives the Chinese big advantages to build more homegrown multinationals.

 

However in 15-20 years the manufacturing may be coming back if the Chinese start making t-shirts and plastic toys in UK ????

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

So much for 'power-hungry' and all dominant Germany. 

 

If Germany controls the EU, pray tell why could the German stock exchange not have its takeover of the LSE waived through by EU competition technocrats?

 

Germany has given away power to the EU, ie other EU member states. It allowed France, Netherlands et al to decide if a German stock exchange can take over the LSE.

 

How is that power-hungry?

That's so unfair! Maybe the Germans should leave the EU too then?

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Umm, the British don't have an empire anymore.

 

Not that shooting natives holding spears with Gatling guns is any kind of achievement.

 

I do agree with the previous poster, the economic miracle of Germany is far more impressive than violent theft from unarmed natives.

 

 

Obviously the Germans would never consider such behaviour.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

A fitting metaphor, the Maldives, for the not-so-great Britain. An island that risks to go under.

 

Exactly the same fate awaits not-so-great Britain. Your economy is massively in debt, against all your efforts your manufacturing output has over the last 30 years been reduced by two thirds, Italy and India produce more than the UK now.

 

And you have a Prime Minister who announces to the world proudly that economics takes a back seat to utterly childish Union Jack waving.

 

What could go wrong? ????

The EU is stagnant and debt-ridden. The EU is not exactly a picture of rude health. In the final quarter of 2015 the Eurozone’s GDP was still below its pre-crisis peak of seven years earlier. To put that into some sort of context, in the same quarter the US economy was 10% above its peak, which came at the tail end of 2007.

Are we not just leaving a sinking ship by parting ways with the Eurozone?

https://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/businesses-for-sale/articles/brexit-the-potential-pros-and-cons-for-your-business

[vinny41]

Europe is divided into two camps: the net contributors who do not want to contribute more than 1% of Gross National Income (GNI) to the EU budget, and the “Friends of Cohesion”, who reject cuts in regional funds and the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).

https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/in-portugal-15-cohesion-countries-call-for-stronger-eu-budget/