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56 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The campaign to leave the EU relied on rhetoric against immigration and for hardening or "regaining control" of borders.

 

To deny that is disingenous and hypocritical.

 

According to most economists, EU membership has a strong positive effect on trade and, as a result, the UK's trade would be worse off if it left the EU. According to a study by University of Cambridge economists, under a hard Brexit, whereby the UK reverts to WTO rules, one-third of UK exports to the EU would be tariff-free, one-quarter would face high trade barriers and other exports risk tariffs in the range of 1–10%.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit

 

You have to be overly concerned about Poles, to want to forego the economic benefits of EU membership, just to stop Poles coming to Britain, surely.

 

In January 2018, the UK government's own Brexit analysis was leaked; it showed that UK economic growth would be stunted by 2–8% for at least 15 years following Brexit, depending on the leave scenario.

 The movement to leave began long before significant immigration from Europe.

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2 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Attacking the messenger is generally considered an unacceptable approach, which tends to indicate the paucity of your argument.

I find what he writes to be clearly and coherently argued, with his analysis supported by reference to actual documents. You would I expect disagree with what he wrote, but it is well written and easy to understand. Try reading it again with your bias hat off, and compare it to the quote above from izod10, which actually is just a bundle of prejudices, written in a style that actually does make it sound gibberish

"The Uk now has the potential to destroy the EU".

What colour is the sky on your planet?

The UK economy is a fraction of the size of the EU economy (Even without us)

Why would we be unpleasant enough to want to destroy the EU even if we could. They will still be major trading partners, and trade benefits us all.

 

Yes India does have some problems, currently many of their own making. That hasn't stopped their economy expanding fast. They are forecast to overtake us in GDP very soon, as France has done already. So we will then be Number 7 in the world, and with the idiotic economy destroying Brexit in place will fall faster and further towards insignificance. It's the governments own recent analysis that says that, not me. 

Written by a true Scotsman .   basically all I want from Scotland is a departure date ,and it cannot be quick enough

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2 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Written by a true Scotsman .   basically all I want from Scotland is a departure date ,and it cannot be quick enough

Tomorrow is fine by me.

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11 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Tomorrow is fine by me.

Put it all back in the wardrobe.....😁

 

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24 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The UK has consistently reported a current account deficit since 1984 because of a shortfall in its goods trade, and it hit a record high in 2016.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/ace751a2-fbd6-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6

 

See, what you need to understand is that the UK really has almost no goods to trade, very little of what the world wants is made in Britain. That is because British products, generally speaking, are shoddily and poorly made and few people want to buy them. One only has to look at the houses you live in.

 

Services account for about 80 per cent of the economy.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/ace751a2-fbd6-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6

 

I repeat, 80% of the British economy is the British serving other people. You are now a nation of service providers.

 

The UK’s large current account deficit has been financed by substantial foreign capital inflows over recent years which “makes the UK vulnerable to a reduction in foreign investor appetite for UK assets”, the Bank of England warned in the summer.

 

What do you think exiting the EU has done and will do for foreign investor appetite in UK assets?  The Japanese closing factories ring any bells? What do you think the strong pound will do for UK businesses trying to trade?

 

If you think exiting the EU will solve the UK's trade deficit problem you are very optimistic. On the contrary, it will make the UK's trade deficit worse. Exporting services will become harder for the UK, not easier.

 

Germany is about to be booted to the dark ages? I think you have some major problems yourself, lol. The only country that is regressing is England. 

specsavers for you  LOL

   The .gov.uk  settlement letters being sent out to over 3 and a half million EU nationals living in UK tells a story being given the boot is wonderful news,wonderbar   only so many toilet cleaners ,kebab sellers can the UK take,unlike the Krauts, Christ riots there soon

  Look at the celebrations under way in UK  ,come join us,its wonderful

 

  Relying on quotations from earlier quotes is rubbish,nations choose their own path and it will be wonderful,all past quotes were wrong,so are yours     its a beautiful day,many more to come  God Save the Queen 

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39 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Germany is about to be booted to the dark ages? I think you have some major problems yourself, lol. The only country that is regressing is England

Suggesting you still haven't quite grasped the difference between 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 & 🇬🇧 🙄

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2 minutes ago, izod10 said:

specsavers for you  LOL

   The .gov.uk  settlement letters being sent out to over 3 and a half million EU nationals living in UK tells a story being given the boot is wonderful news,wonderbar   only so many toilet cleaners ,kebab sellers can the UK take,unlike the Krauts, Christ riots there soon

  Look at the celebrations under way in UK  ,come join us,its wonderful

 

  Relying on quotations from earlier quotes is rubbish,nations choose their own path and it will be wonderful,all past quotes were wrong,so are yours     its a beautiful day,many more to come  God Save the Queen 

 

I think you'll find EU nationals living in Britain now will have the right to stay there. 

 

Immigrants in the UK have all manner of jobs, btw, including cooks, waiters, lawyers, doctors, nurses. British businesses are already ringing the alarm bell that they can not find the employees they need.

 

"Many UK firms are finding it more difficult to recruit the staff they need after a fall in net migration from the EU, a new report has said.

The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) said 40 per cent of employers had more problems filling vacancies than they did last year."

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-skills-shortage-wages-rise-net-migration-falls-cipd-report-a8489366.html

 

Why do you think Jamie Oliver had to file for bankruptcy? That's nothing. The worst is all yet to come.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

I think you'll find EU nationals living in Britain now will have the right to stay there. 

 

Immigrants in the UK have all manner of jobs, btw, including cooks, waiters, lawyers, doctors, nurses. British businesses are already ringing the alarm bell that they can not find the employees they need.

 

"Many UK firms are finding it more difficult to recruit the staff they need after a fall in net migration from the EU, a new report has said.

The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) said 40 per cent of employers had more problems filling vacancies than they did last year."

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-skills-shortage-wages-rise-net-migration-falls-cipd-report-a8489366.html

 

Why do you think Jamie Oliver had to file for bankruptcy? That's nothing. The worst is all yet to come.

 

 

He over cooked it.....👨‍🍳

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6 hours ago, Logosone said:

The UK has consistently reported a current account deficit since 1984 because of a shortfall in its goods trade, and it hit a record high in 2016.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/ace751a2-fbd6-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6

 

See, what you need to understand is that the UK really has almost no goods to trade, very little of what the world wants is made in Britain. That is because British products, generally speaking, are shoddily and poorly made and few people want to buy them. One only has to look at the houses you live in.

 

Services account for about 80 per cent of the economy.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/ace751a2-fbd6-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6

 

I repeat, 80% of the British economy is the British serving other people. You are now a nation of service providers.

 

The UK’s large current account deficit has been financed by substantial foreign capital inflows over recent years which “makes the UK vulnerable to a reduction in foreign investor appetite for UK assets”, the Bank of England warned in the summer.

 

What do you think exiting the EU has done and will do for foreign investor appetite in UK assets?  The Japanese closing factories ring any bells? What do you think the strong pound will do for UK businesses trying to trade?

 

If you think exiting the EU will solve the UK's trade deficit problem you are very optimistic. On the contrary, it will make the UK's trade deficit worse. Exporting services will become harder for the UK, not easier.

 

Germany is about to be booted to the dark ages? I think you have some major problems yourself, lol. The only country that is regressing is England. 

 

 

UK trade deficit.png

 

Looks like we do a lot better on trade ex EU.

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And why don't you show the national debt/GDP charts too?

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